Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

[turtlebmw]

Hey everyone,
Im in the market for a BBK, and i was wondering if it is infact true that Stoptech will only honor their warranty if the BBK is purchased from their authorized retailer?

Reason i ask, is that there is someone here in the forum, looking to sell a set of Stoptech ST-40 BBK Brand New to me. Although his set is almost three years old.

First advertised on VAGsg forum on "06-10-07, 12:09 AM" (WTS : Brand New Stoptech Front BBK - VAGSG Community)
On this thread, there were some comments on the validity of the warranty during that time.
Please also note that asking price on page 1 was (below 4K).

The thread is constantly bumped till "17-04-08, 03:53 AM" where the last asking price was ($3650).

On "01-05-2008, 07:20 PM" he created a thread on this great forum offering to sell the same BBK for ($3500). http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/bazaar-bmw-parts-accessories/24902-fs-brand-new-stoptech-bbk-audi.html)

I contacted this seller last month, and he quoted me a price of $3,400 inclusive of installation at a local workshop. I told him that i will revert to him as i was still searching the market for other alternatives. A main concern for me was the warranty validity, as well as the age of the BBK which he said was being used as a display piece at a local workshop.

Having looked ard and done my research, i thought i did like to view this BBK and consider installing it with this seller. So just two days ago, i contacted him again, only to find that he has now increased his price to $3850.

When asked why, he said

"Price is S$3850 cash & carry.

Like I said b4, any lower I rather keep as display set.

Why loose $ just to sell.

U know the cost & U know my price is the lowest for this kit.

U decide."

I was actually quite keen. But now that his price has went up for no apparent reason. Together with the fact that this set is about 3 years old. My concerns are that the BBK set might be a little dried out? Having been placed in a glass cabinet for display since late 07. Also as i dont think he works at J4C, which (from my understanding), is the authorized dealer for the Stoptech BBK, will i get any warranty if something goes wrong? Last but not least, the professionalism of the seller is seriously being questioned.

PLEASE ADVICE

Many Thanks.

- To protect the sellers identity, i have chosen not to mention his name in this POST.

 

[totoseow]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

but u oredy revealed him by quoting the vagsg forum link...duh

 

[Terry]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

and also the bmw-sg link.... duh...

 

[///M3]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

- To protect the sellers identity, i have chosen not to mention his name in this POST... duh..

 

[louis]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

not sure if prices have since changed but i got my set from j4c at a lower price than that, inclusive of install.

i also had some problems with the paint finish after a year and Amos from j4c saw to it that stoptech replaced both my calipers under warranty, so i'd recommend getting it from them for peace of mind.

 

[motorknut]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

are you really saving alot by going thru a reseller? in the past i've seen pricing for BMW steering wheels that were only 50 bucks cheaper than buying thru Eng Soon!

If savings aren't much, you might as well get it from an authorized dealer if warranty is impt to you.

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

but u oredy revealed him by quoting the vagsg forum link...duh

and also the bmw-sg link.... duh...

- To protect the sellers identity, i have chosen not to mention his name in this POST... duh..

OPPS!
I forgot about that. I was thinking more about showing the fluctuation in pricing.
Although, to be fair, i really did not mention his/her name in this POST.

Oh wells. We share the good. And our problems as well.

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

not sure if prices have since changed but i got my set from j4c at a lower price than that, inclusive of install.

i also had some problems with the paint finish after a year and Amos from j4c saw to it that stoptech replaced both my calipers under warranty, so i'd recommend getting it from them for peace of mind.

Thanks bro!
Do you mind PMing me the price you paid?

Would really appreciate it.

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

are you really saving alot by going thru a reseller? in the past i've seen pricing for BMW steering wheels that were only 50 bucks cheaper than buying thru Eng Soon!

If savings aren't much, you might as well get it from an authorized dealer if warranty is impt to you.

I'm not sure. But the seller mentioned to me that im looking at a cost of 5K if i go through anywhere else. So if thats the case. Its quite a hefty savings.

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Hey everybody, it's me lah.

Don't have to guess.

hahahaha

For all, this kit is a Stoptech ST40 14" kit with 355x32mm slotted rotors.

Not the 13" kit with 332x32mm rotors.

Anybody can give J4C a call to check on the current price for a ST40 14" kit.

Louis : Did you get the 14" kit or the 13" kit for your Z4? If it's the 14" kit, then you really got it at a real bargain.



Yes, I did agree to the price of $3400 with install, but you didn't want to take the offer & want to go search for a better option.

After 1 month, you appear again after your 'search'.

J4C had a 'friendly' chat with me for selling too cheap & it's not very 'friendly' to the local market.

The price is changed after much consideration, also I've paid at the rate when US$ was much higher than now.

It's all about willing seller & willing buyer.

You should have taken my offer 1 month back then.

Waranty? I have ways for waranty issues. Just like any PI who brings in BMWs & sell them here locally.


My professionalism? Many bros here who bought from me can attest to this.

P.S : BTW, Oct '07 till now is 1 year & 9 months. Not 3 years like you mentioned.

Cheers


'The Great White'

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Hey everybody, it's me lah.

Don't have to guess.

hahahaha

For all, this kit is a Stoptech ST40 14" kit with 355x32mm slotted rotors.

Not the 13" kit with 332x32mm rotors.

Anybody can give J4C a call to check on the current price for a ST40 14" kit.

Louis : Did you get the 14" kit or the 13" kit for your Z4? If it's the 14" kit, then you really got it at a real bargain.



Yes, I did agree to the price of $3400 with install, but you didn't want to take the offer & want to go search for a better option.

After 1 month, you appear again after your 'search'.

J4C had a 'friendly' chat with me for selling too cheap & it's not very 'friendly' to the local market.

The price is changed after much consideration, also I've paid at the rate when US$ was much higher than now.

It's all about willing seller & willing buyer.

You should have taken my offer 1 month back then.

Waranty? I have ways for waranty issues. Just like any PI who brings in BMWs & sell them here locally.


My professionalism? Many bros here who bought from me can attest to this.


Cheers


'The Great White'

Hahah.
Damn. I wish all car dealerships are like you.
Like that we would all no longer have any problems with our depreciation. Just wait for the mood and temperament of the car dealerships to change. Buy low, sell higher.

Are you telling me that the consumer has no right to do comparisons before committing to a purchase? Thats utterly ridiculous. Let me refresh your memory with this SMS: "Thanks for you time in explaining the differences to me. Let me just make some checks, and i will get back to you in two weeks." Your reply was... "No problem." THATS IT. You failed to mention that you have terms and conditions stating that if i didn't close the deal with you right there right then, you would increase the price by $450, as well as remove the free installation.

The reason why i needed this two weeks, was because a friend of mine whose located in the states, was going to fly here for a holiday. As such i thought i could get her to help me bring back the ECS Tuning Stage 5 BBK, which had 6 pot rotors, and save on the shipping costs. Unfortunately, due to the H1N1 outbreak, her travel plans were not concrete.

However, after doing some research, i realized that there is more to it than just 6 pots and 4 pots. I read that the STOPTECH calipers are customized to the different brake fluid reservoir's size of each vehicle. This supposedly equates to a better pedal feel. After reading this, i contacted you again to check on the Stoptech's BBK availability, and clarify the warranty issues that were raised in the posts from VAGsg in regards to your sale. This was when your price shot up, and your explanation for it was poor.

Like your example, the explanation for your cheaper price of the Stoptech BBK is because your are a FREELANCE dealer. As such you have less overhead to pay. Thus you can afford to sell your goods at a cheaper price. Isn't this the whole idea why people go to PI to buy cars that have similar setups as the dealerships? So if there is no discount why would anyone be inclined to deal with anyone else but the authorized dealerships.

Besides being able to customize their options.... Please point me in the direction of any straight minded person, who would rather buy a BRAND NEW car from a PI instead of the main dealership, when both cars cost the SAME.

What happened to FREE MARKET COMPETITION?!?

I was very impressed with your explanation about comparing the ECS BBK with yours, because you were patient, and provided a great amount of detail. However i was really disappointed by the way things turned out when i was ready to make my purchase from you. Because of this, i have to now pay more for the ECS BBK as i no longer have free shipment, or find other alternatives for my car. And time is not on my side because the rotors and pads are quite worn out.

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Hey everybody, it's me lah.


The price is changed after much consideration, also I've paid at the rate when US$ was much higher than now.


'The Great White'

Heres a quote from your post on the VAGsg forum:

Clearing at cost!!

S$3650 cash & carry!!!

Contact me ASAP!!

Cheers

Wilson
96905511"

You said your were clearing at cost then. Now your saying that you paid more that 3,850(the last price you quoted me) because you paid at the rate when the US dollar was higher?

All this is not making any sense. Because right now your are trying to make an extra $150 from me. WITHOUT installation.

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Hahah.
Damn. I wish all car dealerships are like you.
Like that we would all no longer have any problems with our depreciation. Just wait for the mood and temperament of the car dealerships to change. Buy low, sell higher.

Car dealerships can change their pricing without notifications. This we all know.

Are you telling me that the consumer has no right to do comparisons before committing to a purchase? Thats utterly ridiculous. Let me refresh your memory with this SMS: "Thanks for you time in explaining the differences to me. Let me just make some checks, and i will get back to you in two weeks." Your reply was... "No problem." THATS IT. You failed to mention that you have terms and conditions stating that if i didn't close the deal with you right there right then, you would increase the price by $450, as well as remove the free installation.

You have all the right to do comparisions before buying anything. Did I say you can't??
Why can't I reserve the rights to change my pricing?

The reason why i needed this two weeks, was because a friend of mine whose located in the states, was going to fly here for a holiday. As such i thought i could get her to help me bring back the ECS Tuning Stage 5 BBK, which had 6 pot rotors, and save on the shipping costs. Unfortunately, due to the H1N1 outbreak, her travel plans were not concrete.

However, after doing some research, i realized that there is more to it than just 6 pots and 4 pots. I read that the STOPTECH calipers are customized to the different brake fluid reservoir's size of each vehicle. This supposedly equates to a better pedal feel. After reading this, i contacted you again to check on the Stoptech's BBK availability, and clarify the warranty issues that were raised in the posts from VAGsg in regards to your sale. This was when your price shot up, and your explanation for it was poor.

If your friend had carry back the ECS BBK for you, I must still wait for you??
U might not even contact me since you've gotten the ECS BBK. Right?

Like your example, the explanation for your cheaper price of the Stoptech BBK is because your are a FREELANCE dealer. As such you have less overhead to pay. Thus you can afford to sell your goods at a cheaper price. Isn't this the whole idea why people go to PI to buy cars that have similar setups as the dealerships? So if there is no discount why would anyone be inclined to deal with anyone else but the authorized dealerships.

Besides being able to customize their options.... Please point me in the direction of any straight minded person, who would rather buy a BRAND NEW car from a PI instead of the main dealership, when both cars cost the SAME.

Very true!! Anyway, my price is still cheaper than local dealership. So what's the issue here?

What happened to FREE MARKET COMPETITION?!?

I was very impressed with your explanation about comparing the ECS BBK with yours, because you were patient, and provided a great amount of detail. However i was really disappointed by the way things turned out when i was ready to make my purchase from you. Because of this, i have to now pay more for the ECS BBK as i no longer have free shipment, or find other alternatives for my car. And time is not on my side because the rotors and pads are quite worn out.

Then, it's still your choice. ECS BBK is still a good set!!



'The Great White'

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Heres a quote from your post on the VAGsg forum:

Clearing at cost!!

S$3650 cash & carry!!!

Contact me ASAP!!

Cheers

Wilson
96905511"

You said your were clearing at cost then. Now your saying that you paid more that 3,850(the last price you quoted me) because you paid at the rate when the US dollar was higher?

All this is not making any sense. Because right now your are trying to make an extra $150 from me. WITHOUT installation.

Like I've said earlier. I reserved the right to change my pricing.

I have also apologize to local distributor for 'dumping' the price.

If you had placed a deposit for the agreed price & I raise my price for no reasons, then you have all the right to rant here.

Perhaps you can contact J4C & ask them to offer you a much better price?


'The Great White'

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Car dealerships can change their pricing without notifications. This we all know.
You have all the right to do comparisions before buying anything. Did I say you can't??
Why can't I reserve the rights to change my pricing?

You and i agreed on a price of $3,400. I tried to negotiate further but you said 3.4K was already your best price. I didn't argue cause that was in fact a fair price. Subsequently we only discussed abt the differences b/w your BBK and ECS BBK.

In your initial reply, you made the remark :
"Yes, I did agree to the price of $3400 with install, but you didn't want to take the offer & want to go search for a better option."

Basically you're saying its my fault that i chose to look around at the other alternatives!


If your friend had carry back the ECS BBK for you, I must still wait for you??
U might not even contact me since you've gotten the ECS BBK. Right?

I CONTACTED you before my friend. It takes a few days for ECS to deliver it to her place. So it has to arrive before she departs for SG. But I decided on the Stoptech because i thought it was the better deal. And a better product. That was on Thursday.
I offered you 3.5K and you didn't even reply. I called you a couple of times on Friday, but you didn't reply. I presumed you were busy, and waited till this morning to contact you again, because i thought we could still negotiate on the price. But your attitude was downright wrong.

For the ECS BBK to arrive before she departs. I would have to purchase it by Friday.

Besides that, im still studying, and so i had to gather the cash before committing completely. And now that i have, you increased the price.

I had planned all this before contacting you, which was exactly why i could tell you that i'd get back to you in TWO weeks, when you had offered 3.4K


Very true!! Anyway, my price is still cheaper than local dealership. So what's the issue here?

Your BBK is THREE YEARS OLD. And i was willing to accept that because your price was cheaper. There has to be some compromise. But now you're trying to sell it at $3850 without installation, when i can get a brand new set for 4.4K with guaranteed warranty + Installation. (Out of my budget). If i were to get ur Stoptechs for $3850, installation at my local workshops is expected to be about $300.

And please don't say you rather keep it as a display piece, because you are basically telling me that you paid a total of $3650 to have a display piece. Its not as if you have a spare car with these BBKs installed to let your customers test its performance. Your only letting them look at it through a piece of glass. Might as well show them the catalog. Plus we both know that customers who buy BBK do not just buy them based on LOOKS, its PERFORMANCE.

Then, it's still your choice. ECS BBK is still a good set!!

Yes, but because of all this miscommunication i now have to fork out 300-400USD for shipping.

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

You forgot that you kept bargaining with me till I agreed on the price of $3.4k??

When I say ok, you said you'll consider & get back to me if you want......duh???

Why bargain till the price that we both agreed on & then not go on with the deal??

Local workshop charge $150 for install. Your workshop is definately more ex.

btw, my BBK is very very old.......from Oct '07 till now is 3 years old??

Maybe you have a different calender than mine.

Enuff said.

All the best to your new ECS BBK!


'The Great White'

 

[turtlebmw]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

You forgot that you kept bargaining with me till I agreed on the price of $3.4k??

When I say ok, you said you'll consider & get back to me if you want......duh???

Why bargain till the price that we both agreed on & then not go on with the deal??

Local workshop charge $150 for install. Your workshop is definately more ex.

btw, my BBK is very very old.......from Oct '07 till now is 3 years old??

Maybe you have a different calender than mine.

Enuff said.

All the best to your new ECS BBK!


'The Great White'

Bro,
I didn't even bargain with you.
First price you offered me was 3.4K. I asked if cheaper can, you said no. I did not bargain you to 3.4K. START PRICE AND END PRICE was 3.4K. ALSO, we discussed price first, followed by the comparison of Stoptech VS ECS.

Even if ECS was not in the picture, i would still have to gather the cash before confirming with you right?

Yeah. Im sorry things got this messy.

So Thanks. and seriously, all the best to your new generation dealer-tactics.
God Bless You.

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Hahaha,

Thanks man!!

God bless you too!


'The Great White'

 

[totoseow]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

OPPS!
I forgot about that. I was thinking more about showing the fluctuation in pricing.
Although, to be fair, i really did not mention his/her name in this POST.

Oh wells. We share the good. And our problems as well.

u daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa man

 

[wilman2772]

Re: Local Warranty Coverage for Stoptech BBK?

Bro,
I didn't even bargain with you.
First price you offered me was 3.4K. I asked if cheaper can, you said no. I did not bargain you to 3.4K. START PRICE AND END PRICE was 3.4K. ALSO, we discussed price first, followed by the comparison of Stoptech VS ECS.

Even if ECS was not in the picture, i would still have to gather the cash before confirming with you right?

Yeah. Im sorry things got this messy.

So Thanks. and seriously, all the best to your new generation dealer-tactics.
God Bless You.

You seriously owe me an apology!!!!!!


'The Great White'