RE: BBKs Choices....
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uncle tobby
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Re: BBKs Choices....
Brembo is commercialised. I find Wilwood is killer...AP so-so....Grippen stylo...
Juz my tots
Brembo is commercialised. I find Wilwood is killer...AP so-so....Grippen stylo...
Juz my tots
Rastaman
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Re: BBKs Choices....
Yo bro,
as u know quiet a few of us on Stoptech, so far so good, very easy to modulate the braking but u will need to know what u intend to use them for, ie, ocassional tracking or just fast roading in s'pore. Im saying this due to my experience using them as the pads make the diff, on s'pore roads using e axis ultimates are just great, good bite etc but on track they really cannot make it ? or is it just me abusing it ..haha. Thats y i changed to BHP .... not as grippy initially when cold, needs a little warmth before biting but thats fine with me as it is good fun on e track.
Alcon - the last time i checked with james/maximus he didnt have them for e46, only for e90 330i and damn bloody ex. Ive tried e alcons 4 pot tho on a golf gti n wah..that bloody thing bites n could literally fling u out yr front seat, but not my liking as i dont want to be rear ended on the CTE , u know what i mean la. If this is the type of feel u like in yr brakes then give james a call, who knows maybe he can arrange something.
Other cant comment - good luck hunting !
Yo bro,
as u know quiet a few of us on Stoptech, so far so good, very easy to modulate the braking but u will need to know what u intend to use them for, ie, ocassional tracking or just fast roading in s'pore. Im saying this due to my experience using them as the pads make the diff, on s'pore roads using e axis ultimates are just great, good bite etc but on track they really cannot make it ? or is it just me abusing it ..haha. Thats y i changed to BHP .... not as grippy initially when cold, needs a little warmth before biting but thats fine with me as it is good fun on e track.
Alcon - the last time i checked with james/maximus he didnt have them for e46, only for e90 330i and damn bloody ex. Ive tried e alcons 4 pot tho on a golf gti n wah..that bloody thing bites n could literally fling u out yr front seat, but not my liking as i dont want to be rear ended on the CTE , u know what i mean la. If this is the type of feel u like in yr brakes then give james a call, who knows maybe he can arrange something.
Other cant comment - good luck hunting !
Re: BBKs Choices....
I have driven a certain blue "E46" with WP PRO's 8pot front and 6 pot rear... Slup Slup.
Reasonable pricing for that amount of POTS too.
I have driven a certain blue "E46" with WP PRO's 8pot front and 6 pot rear... Slup Slup.
Reasonable pricing for that amount of POTS too.
Re: BBKs Choices....
1.) AP = Low $5k-ish (Check with Espace Service Centre, Andy is the boss: 97343050)
2.) Stoptech = Mid to high $3k-ish (Check with Wilman2772 or snowdog)
3.) VTTR = Mid $3k-ish (Check with Espace Service Centre also)
4.) WP Pro = Not sure how much but my guesstimate is ard mid $3k-ish (I think BVO is the authorised dealer for this product. Do give Bernard a call)
If I remember correctly,hitmee said:
1.) AP = Low $5k-ish (Check with Espace Service Centre, Andy is the boss: 97343050)
2.) Stoptech = Mid to high $3k-ish (Check with Wilman2772 or snowdog)
3.) VTTR = Mid $3k-ish (Check with Espace Service Centre also)
4.) WP Pro = Not sure how much but my guesstimate is ard mid $3k-ish (I think BVO is the authorised dealer for this product. Do give Bernard a call)
Re: BBKs Choices....
Gho Zhup Gho
Given the current set up of your wheel + suspension, the lesser headache solution is to get those bak kua that can clear your rims w/o spacers. In this case, APRacing is for sure. ST n Brembo are 100pct out. U may try your rims on those who hv got WPPro and see if it clears.
Else, save the money and source for a full used 330 brakes
Gho Zhup Gho
Given the current set up of your wheel + suspension, the lesser headache solution is to get those bak kua that can clear your rims w/o spacers. In this case, APRacing is for sure. ST n Brembo are 100pct out. U may try your rims on those who hv got WPPro and see if it clears.
Else, save the money and source for a full used 330 brakes
Re: BBKs Choices....
It's gonna be a truly challenging and unending plus probably inconclusive tasks if one tries to derive some data and make a comparison on pros n cons of various BBK brands in the market.
Most often than not, people are more concerned bout several factors such as price and branding as well as appearance. A lot forget bout the braking bias, pedal feel, parts accessibility, warranty etc.
Calipers:
Mostly are made by forging technology using alumium billet. They are light and strong. Some are made from 2 piece construction, some are of mono-bloc type. So there’s a weight saving here versus stock caliper.
The number of pistons can be from 2 to 12 pots as far as I know. Usually more pistons give better brake modulation but not necessarily the best clamping power. Piston sizes and diameters are probably more important.
Rotors:
Can be solid 1 disc, 2-piece w/o aero hat or 2-piece with aero hat. The latter is also known as 2-piece floating rotor and the most expensive type.
Weight and heat dissipation outcomes can vary quite a bit here.
Also some rotors are slotted, cross-drilled or a combination of both. Again, both have pros n cons. Slotted are most popular in racing world as it bites better n won't crack under severe n extensive usage. Cross-drilled is lighter, evacuate water faster, noisier but can be prone to cracking after heavy usage and yet, it costs more than anything else.
Pads:
It’s probably the most important component here for any brake set up.
Some are made for street application, some are strictly for track/race use. So you need to know what you are doing. Failing to comply can result in premature wear and tear of brake components, mainly on rotors. Typically, street pads are quiet in nature and they work from cold. Race pads are expensive, can cost twice as much and if you are on it for a track day, u need to remove them once you are back. Most of them are track-ready so no need to break-in.
Brake line:
This is pretty generic product so any brand won’t really make any noticeable difference.
Brake fluid:
Again, u can find many brands around and quite a generic product too. All you need to be concerned about is mainly the grade you are using as universally approved under D.O.T supervision.
The higher the grade, the higher the boiling point to provide consistent braking feel.
Overall,
Big brake kit of any brand is genuinely designed to offer just one benefit only, ie to eliminate brake fade. While stopping distance can be improved, it is however not the main benefit.
To give you an example: Mercedes CLS AMG has full BBK while M5 doesn’t. The latter stops just almost as good as the former but after a few laps of running on the track, the M5 brakes will beg for mercy.
In other words, it can be implied that BBK is more useful for track/race, not for street. However, there is one benefit of having BBK even though you don’t track your car at all. It improves reaction time in the event of emergency braking.
I am more on the practical approach when it comes to choosing what BBK for me.
For eg, in E46 M3 application. The main contenders when I was sourcing for a kit were Stop Tech, Brembo, APRacing, Movit and Alcon.
Back to the important factors above. I took into considerations the pricing, branding, appearance and braking bias. In the end, I chose StopTech for:
1. Cheapest in price. If I wanted to go a bit more hard core, I'd hv chosen AP or Alcon and yes, they are very expensive. Movit is another expensive one but I was worried bout parts.
2. Good and established brand, proven on tracks. Good company and easy to get parts. Many good brake pads are available for ST calipers
Amongst them are Axxis, Ferodo, Hawk and Performance Friction.
3. Nice caliper finish with plenty of color to choose from
4. I like to maintain stock pedal feel of BMW and good braking balance. Only StopTech was designed for that.
Cheers
It's gonna be a truly challenging and unending plus probably inconclusive tasks if one tries to derive some data and make a comparison on pros n cons of various BBK brands in the market.
Most often than not, people are more concerned bout several factors such as price and branding as well as appearance. A lot forget bout the braking bias, pedal feel, parts accessibility, warranty etc.
Calipers:
Mostly are made by forging technology using alumium billet. They are light and strong. Some are made from 2 piece construction, some are of mono-bloc type. So there’s a weight saving here versus stock caliper.
The number of pistons can be from 2 to 12 pots as far as I know. Usually more pistons give better brake modulation but not necessarily the best clamping power. Piston sizes and diameters are probably more important.
Rotors:
Can be solid 1 disc, 2-piece w/o aero hat or 2-piece with aero hat. The latter is also known as 2-piece floating rotor and the most expensive type.
Weight and heat dissipation outcomes can vary quite a bit here.
Also some rotors are slotted, cross-drilled or a combination of both. Again, both have pros n cons. Slotted are most popular in racing world as it bites better n won't crack under severe n extensive usage. Cross-drilled is lighter, evacuate water faster, noisier but can be prone to cracking after heavy usage and yet, it costs more than anything else.
Pads:
It’s probably the most important component here for any brake set up.
Some are made for street application, some are strictly for track/race use. So you need to know what you are doing. Failing to comply can result in premature wear and tear of brake components, mainly on rotors. Typically, street pads are quiet in nature and they work from cold. Race pads are expensive, can cost twice as much and if you are on it for a track day, u need to remove them once you are back. Most of them are track-ready so no need to break-in.
Brake line:
This is pretty generic product so any brand won’t really make any noticeable difference.
Brake fluid:
Again, u can find many brands around and quite a generic product too. All you need to be concerned about is mainly the grade you are using as universally approved under D.O.T supervision.
The higher the grade, the higher the boiling point to provide consistent braking feel.
Overall,
Big brake kit of any brand is genuinely designed to offer just one benefit only, ie to eliminate brake fade. While stopping distance can be improved, it is however not the main benefit.
To give you an example: Mercedes CLS AMG has full BBK while M5 doesn’t. The latter stops just almost as good as the former but after a few laps of running on the track, the M5 brakes will beg for mercy.
In other words, it can be implied that BBK is more useful for track/race, not for street. However, there is one benefit of having BBK even though you don’t track your car at all. It improves reaction time in the event of emergency braking.
I am more on the practical approach when it comes to choosing what BBK for me.
For eg, in E46 M3 application. The main contenders when I was sourcing for a kit were Stop Tech, Brembo, APRacing, Movit and Alcon.
Back to the important factors above. I took into considerations the pricing, branding, appearance and braking bias. In the end, I chose StopTech for:
1. Cheapest in price. If I wanted to go a bit more hard core, I'd hv chosen AP or Alcon and yes, they are very expensive. Movit is another expensive one but I was worried bout parts.
2. Good and established brand, proven on tracks. Good company and easy to get parts. Many good brake pads are available for ST calipers
Amongst them are Axxis, Ferodo, Hawk and Performance Friction.
3. Nice caliper finish with plenty of color to choose from
4. I like to maintain stock pedal feel of BMW and good braking balance. Only StopTech was designed for that.
Cheers
Rastaman
Well-Known Member
Re: BBKs Choices....
excellent bro - im sure u scored A+ in yr essay papers, etc ..really can goreng la u !
Brake balance or bias - as what Jack said, that made me also choose Stoptech, not the most agrresive in initail bite (read my earlier post) but very good feel/modulation on road/track. Ive seen some other cars/makes fitted with BBK's that tend to get very twitchy (rear slides around) when braking hard on track due to the change in brake bias.
excellent bro - im sure u scored A+ in yr essay papers, etc ..really can goreng la u !
Brake balance or bias - as what Jack said, that made me also choose Stoptech, not the most agrresive in initail bite (read my earlier post) but very good feel/modulation on road/track. Ive seen some other cars/makes fitted with BBK's that tend to get very twitchy (rear slides around) when braking hard on track due to the change in brake bias.
FiftyFive
Well-Known Member
Re: BBKs Choices....
Ya Pak... i know... really dont want to go through the route of having to change wheels so that i can accomdate BBKs... thats why I am really taking my time to consider pros and cons... moolah allocation too...
Thanks
TripleM said:Gho Zhup Gho
Given the current set up of your wheel + suspension, the lesser headache solution is to get those bak kua that can clear your rims w/o spacers. In this case, APRacing is for sure. ST n Brembo are 100pct out. U may try your rims on those who hv got WPPro and see if it clears.
Else, save the money and source for a full used 330 brakes
Ya Pak... i know... really dont want to go through the route of having to change wheels so that i can accomdate BBKs... thats why I am really taking my time to consider pros and cons... moolah allocation too...
Thanks
