Staggerd Tire Setup
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oneHeadlight
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Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
wa...gettin vain huh...
wats the real advantage of staggered, besides looks ?
Leean said:
wa...gettin vain huh...
wats the real advantage of staggered, besides looks ?
Azrielsc
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Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
More rubber on the road, better stability/handling etc... but i doubt anyone can feel the diff unless u push the car to the limit...
I have to say that i can't really see the advantages of having a staggered setup.... only that it looks nice/fierce... other than that, its more ex, u can't rotate, more chance of aquaplanning...
More rubber on the road, better stability/handling etc... but i doubt anyone can feel the diff unless u push the car to the limit...
I have to say that i can't really see the advantages of having a staggered setup.... only that it looks nice/fierce... other than that, its more ex, u can't rotate, more chance of aquaplanning...
Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
Having a staggered set up in a powerful car (both Front Engine RWD and Rear Engine RWD especially), helps improve the handling of the car to a considerable extent. In fact, it's common and necessary...Aside from the grip level which we know one would benefit from it...one of the other advantages is it will influence the weight distribution of the car.
Take M3 for example (FRWD):
The factory set up is 30mm difference between the front and back (235/265 for the 19in wheels). With 343bhp for the euro specs, this car produces about 275-290 hp at the wheels. That's still decent amount of power to propel a 1.5ton car. 2 things to take note here.
1) Inherent in RWD car is over-steering
2) This car needs a lot of grip to withstand its power else massive wheel-spin (Traction control will keep intervening)
To counter balance those two, a wider rear tire set up is needed. 1) Extra weight is put on to the car so reduces the fish-tail effect and 2) With the increased weight, wheel-spin is reduced (not eliminated)
The above is just a simple logical analysis…Obviously other components of car set up such as suspension, anti-roll bar, camber adjustment to name a few, will have pivotal roles in influencing the handling of the car as well.
For Rear Engine RWD car such as F360 Modena, similar story. The factory set up has front tires being 215mm vs 275mm in the rear!. Powerful engine at the rear resulting in lesser loss of drive-train compared to most Front Engine RWD cars. And this prancing horse still has a very strong tendency to over-steer.
If I were to drive a 318/320, I wouldn’t bother staggering them at all. Did u also know that wider tires attract nails more too? :furious: :angry:
oneHeadlight said:
Having a staggered set up in a powerful car (both Front Engine RWD and Rear Engine RWD especially), helps improve the handling of the car to a considerable extent. In fact, it's common and necessary...Aside from the grip level which we know one would benefit from it...one of the other advantages is it will influence the weight distribution of the car.
Take M3 for example (FRWD):
The factory set up is 30mm difference between the front and back (235/265 for the 19in wheels). With 343bhp for the euro specs, this car produces about 275-290 hp at the wheels. That's still decent amount of power to propel a 1.5ton car. 2 things to take note here.
1) Inherent in RWD car is over-steering
2) This car needs a lot of grip to withstand its power else massive wheel-spin (Traction control will keep intervening)
To counter balance those two, a wider rear tire set up is needed. 1) Extra weight is put on to the car so reduces the fish-tail effect and 2) With the increased weight, wheel-spin is reduced (not eliminated)
The above is just a simple logical analysis…Obviously other components of car set up such as suspension, anti-roll bar, camber adjustment to name a few, will have pivotal roles in influencing the handling of the car as well.
For Rear Engine RWD car such as F360 Modena, similar story. The factory set up has front tires being 215mm vs 275mm in the rear!. Powerful engine at the rear resulting in lesser loss of drive-train compared to most Front Engine RWD cars. And this prancing horse still has a very strong tendency to over-steer.
If I were to drive a 318/320, I wouldn’t bother staggering them at all. Did u also know that wider tires attract nails more too? :furious: :angry:
T6
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Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
In my case, I went staggered purely for aesthetic reason. Especially when viewed from the rear, the set-up looks really good. Grip in the dry did improve. I have got a fren who run Hamann 18"PG 2 rims all round who was even considering writing Hamann too see if they can modify his rear rims to make them wider so that he can slap on bigger tyres behind.
But do be mindful of the much higer tyre costs, the fact that u can't rotate front with rear etc.
While we are on this topic, mebbe I can check with the rest whether it wld be betta if the rear rims are wider say 9J? In other words, if u use 8.5J rims to run staggered behind, will the set-up look funny coz your rims are the same for front and rear?
In my case, I went staggered purely for aesthetic reason. Especially when viewed from the rear, the set-up looks really good. Grip in the dry did improve. I have got a fren who run Hamann 18"PG 2 rims all round who was even considering writing Hamann too see if they can modify his rear rims to make them wider so that he can slap on bigger tyres behind.
But do be mindful of the much higer tyre costs, the fact that u can't rotate front with rear etc.
While we are on this topic, mebbe I can check with the rest whether it wld be betta if the rear rims are wider say 9J? In other words, if u use 8.5J rims to run staggered behind, will the set-up look funny coz your rims are the same for front and rear?
Azrielsc
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Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
Nope... didn't experience my front cutting through the water.... Happened a couple of times when i was on 1st lane on ECP, travelling about 140km/h+.... almost aquaplaned into the rain!! Definitely NOT GOOD! Scary... filtered to middle and cut down my speed immediately... Had to search for my nuts later on
Nope... didn't experience my front cutting through the water.... Happened a couple of times when i was on 1st lane on ECP, travelling about 140km/h+.... almost aquaplaned into the rain!! Definitely NOT GOOD! Scary... filtered to middle and cut down my speed immediately... Had to search for my nuts later on
Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
I hear speeding confession here.....
Sam, ur GS-D3 is the best in overcoming straight aquaplaning.....almost no contest from other makes...
As for cornering in wet,.....SO-3 is better
Azrielsc said:Nope... didn't experience my front cutting through the water.... Happened a couple of times when i was on 1st lane on ECP, travelling about 140km/h+.... almost aquaplaned into the rain!! Definitely NOT GOOD! Scary... filtered to middle and cut down my speed immediately... Had to search for my nuts later on
I hear speeding confession here.....
Sam, ur GS-D3 is the best in overcoming straight aquaplaning.....almost no contest from other makes...
As for cornering in wet,.....SO-3 is better
E34EuroTouring
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Re: Staggerd Tire Setup
Most respondents cover the case of wider rear tires which makes good sense.
I would make a case for staggered to cover narrower front tires. The advantages are :
(for narrow front tires)
1) Lighter steering, especially for 5-series as the steering is nicely weighted. Too heavy for some.
2) Cheaper tires : so one can buy stickier ones and needed to change often if you corner hard. Few Donuts. so the rear wear is ok.
Doing 205 fronts, 225 rears on 15in rims. 225 front and 245 rears on 17inch rims.
Most respondents cover the case of wider rear tires which makes good sense.
I would make a case for staggered to cover narrower front tires. The advantages are :
(for narrow front tires)
1) Lighter steering, especially for 5-series as the steering is nicely weighted. Too heavy for some.
2) Cheaper tires : so one can buy stickier ones and needed to change often if you corner hard. Few Donuts. so the rear wear is ok.
Doing 205 fronts, 225 rears on 15in rims. 225 front and 245 rears on 17inch rims.
