Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

g0yogi

Well-Known Member
Just wondering...

If you know a BMW has been drifted around corners (traction control off lah), would you be less inclined to buy it, compared to another BMW that has not been drifted ?

What sort of damage, if any, or stress to the car, apart from tyre wear (eg drivetrain, axle etc) do you think would be sustained ?
:wavey:
thanks!
 
g0yogi said:
Just wondering...

If you know a BMW has been drifted around corners (traction control off lah), would you be less inclined to buy it, compared to another BMW that has not been drifted ?

What sort of damage, if any, or stress to the car, apart from tyre wear (eg drivetrain, axle etc) do you think would be sustained ?
:wavey:
thanks!

Personally No for me
There are so many cars out there in good conditions at decent prices, so why even consider the ones u know that have been whacked? Apart from drifting as u described above, the car might hv been donut-ed too
 
A drifted car would have sustained possible damage to suspension and transmission. I'm sure the chassis will be more than up to the job. If the suspension is really not useable, just have it replaced and serviced. Transmission is the tricky part because the insults might not show up until much later.
If the price is good and you don't mind having to replace some parts, then why not?
A drifted car shouldn't be that much different from a well tracked car.
 
Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

I don't mean hardcore drifting, just kicking out the tail at corners every now and then. I've been told that BMWs were built to cope with this kind of stress, but not advisable for the 4cyl models because they're structurally different from the 6cyl models and also because the 318s don't have enough power.

I think doing donuts would be more stressful to the car - donuts are when you turn the car round and round in a 360 degree angle using brakes and throttle to control pirouette speed.

This was just a hypothetical question, by the way.:cool:
 
Juz curious Goyogi, wat ride upgrade did u have in mind? But it is good that at least u know the history of the ride u are thinking of buying. Most people buying used cars wld be lucky if they can get hold of the svs records, much less having access to info as to how the owner handled it.
 
Kaahahahahhahaha. 318 drifting ???? Must be drifting outta control and not power drifting lah.... Unless you're talking about 318ik or 318ti ...haahah (k = kompressor and ti = turbocharged).

Honestly Goyogi, every singlemost thing you do to the car (including driving it!) puts wear and tear to it. So if I give you two cars... of the same age...

Car A - mileage 10,000 but has been tracked and drifted

vs

Car B - never drifted but mileage 100 000 .

Which car then has more wear and tear? How do you compute? Are these two things once again enough to decide on the condition of the car?

Honestly, if you want to be very kiasu....simple ... buy new!

If not, then the best way , even better than knowing bits and pieces of history of the car is to send it in for full inspection because condition of used car is based on a multitude of factors including ..

1) age
2) make/brand/model
3) how prev owner drives it
4) how prev owner maintain it
5) any accidents?
6) any prev modifications?

even other non vehicular related factor must be considered eg...

7) who was prev owner and his dealings ie is he loanshark, got bad debts, super guai lan and chio people on the road each time,

8) has very attention seeking stickers/signs eg . "Chase me ...if you can." or "WRX / EVO killer" etc

It all adds up my friend...

Arsony
Topaz Blue NOT guai lan..... but got chio ppl on the road...
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

T6

This was just a hypothetical question. I'm not actually upgrading at this point.

Arsony

Actually, I was just interested in knowing how much stress or damage drifting does to our cars. But seriously, why is it not possible to drift a 318 as opposed to a 320 ? Is it because the 318 doesn't have enough power or because it can't take it structurally ? Is it not just a matter of weight transfer and distribution when it comes to drifting ? Is power absolutely necessary to drift a car ?

I see your point about wear and tear, would you say the comparison of 10,000 kms to 100,000 kms is about right ? If so, then I'd say that tracking and drifting one's car is really very damaging, if you'd be shaving off 90,000kms normal driving by doing that.

thanks for your feedback - quite enlightening !

:cool:
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

Arsony said:
Kaahahahahhahaha. 318 drifting ???? Must be drifting outta control and not power drifting lah.... Unless you're talking about 318ik or 318ti ...haahah (k = kompressor and ti = turbocharged).

nabei doc, engkau ni nak cari gadoh ke ? 318 kenot drift meh ? laugh til like that. come, i drift to let u see! hahahaaa
or let me drift ur 320Ci... swee swee.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

Consider that loads on the chassis are lower when the car is intentionally unbalanced for the drift. If the drifting is carried out on turns that would have been taken at the traction limits anyway (tracking), then the chassis is less stressed. If the turn would not normally have been taken near the traction limit, and the car was accelerated or whipped round it, then the chassis is more stressed.

In any case, the loads generated by non-superwide street tires are not large enough to hurt a good chassis like the E46. Tire wear, suspension component wear, are the only real areas of concern.

Transmission wear may be slightly higher if it is constantly being kicked down for the drift. Not too different from a driver who drives hard in a straightline anyway. In fact straightline would be worse in terms of higher loads being sustained longer and under full traction.

"Every now and then" is not a cause for worry, but there is potentially wear/non-wear and in too many areas to easily quantify. Like others have said, why not go for a car that is totally babied. Nothing to lose.

This is quite a curious hypothetical question. What prompted it?
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

This is quite a curious hypothetical question. What prompted it?

Yar lo. What prompted it???

haha, well it was just a discussion I was having with a friend the other day about drifting and the damage sustained to the car as a result.

Shaun
In relation to suspension component wear, would you be referring to the shocks and bushings in particular ?

I've also been advised that BMWs that have been driven too gently or totally babied may not be the best. Any thoughts on this ?

Thanks for the valuable feedback. :cool:
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

g0yogi said:
I've also been advised that BMWs that have been driven too gently or totally babied may not be the best. Any thoughts on this ?

I personally find very little truth in that advice. It's more likely to be the case of a car if driven too hard then the wear and tear rates are higher.
Having said that, however, if a car has been driven very gently (like 40-60kmh all thet time),...it's probably important to increase the phase of engine speed gradually as opposed to a sudden abruptness.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

The e46 chasis can take the stress of drifting no doubt about that. however, one still should not buy a "drifted" e46 if you can help it.

On the issue of babying a car, I dont find that babying the car is necessarily a good thing. From personal experience I need to push my car every now and then if not the car will feel sluggish.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

g0yogi said:
haha, well it was just a discussion I was having with a friend the other day about drifting and the damage sustained to the car as a result.

Shaun
In relation to suspension component wear, would you be referring to the shocks and bushings in particular ?

I've also been advised that BMWs that have been driven too gently or totally babied may not be the best. Any thoughts on this ?

Thanks for the valuable feedback. :cool:

That's cool.. quite unusual for a woman to discuss cars, much less driving. Was your friend a beautiful young (early 20s) driver lady by any chance? If yes, please don't confirm here, but PM me. Gimme some headstart can anot :shakemyb:

Yes by suspension component wear I was referring to bearings (if applicable), ball joints, bushings - any component that potentially, while drifting, has to deal with increased loads from a direction not designed for, or at least not mainly for (eg lateral loads when mainly vertical loads are expected). Increased frequency of loading, increased loads, or same loads but applied more abruptly, all contribute to wear.

The only truth I see in being easy on a car not being good is in potential wear-in, adaptation, and carbon buildup. I believe in properly wearing in the engine, brake, and driveline components. Some parts of processes require load. Adaptation can be reversed extremely easy so can be ignored. Carbon buildup in modern finely controlled NA engines, occurs extremely slowly vs the imprecisely controlled ones of old. Carbon buildup is also easily cleared at any time and poses no risk to the engine except in the most extreme cases which occur not by normal use but by other component damage which far eclipses the carbon buildup problem, both cost and damage wise.

So beyond wear-in as recommended by component manufacturers, I would totally baby my car and use it hard really only where necessary - at the tracks. I would gladly buy a babied car. In fact I would try and seek one out - good source being rich old tai tais...or RB who drives like a sissy.

Chassis and suspension wise, there is no doubt that babying is good. The common range of loads and suspension travel seen in everyday driving is large enough. Anything beyond is needless wear.

Cheers
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

Thanks guys. Guess it's a general consensus that babying the car is not a bad thing. Will now seek out previously owned tai-tai cars, hehe. RB's car however...........hm. :thinking:

Would you however follow the engine wear in procedures which i believe (correct me if i'm wrong here) is not to rev the engine beyond 3000rpm for the first 2000 kms or so ? I have encountered opposing schools of thought which consider it better to red line the engine ocassionally during this period. Logic being that it's not good to drive the car gently all the time during this period, then red line it after the 2000kms are up, because the car may not cope very well with the sudden change in driving behaviour. Also the ecu chip would have to re-learn ?

That's cool.. quite unusual for a woman to discuss cars, much less driving. Was your friend a beautiful young (early 20s) driver lady by any chance?

hahaha sorry to disappoint.......in any case he's taken. ;)
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

what i feel about this matter is, it really depends on the driver, whether he's mechanically sympathetic towards his car. A car that's never been driven hard may not necessarily be driven with mechanical sympathy. examples are:

1. driver who doesnt understand new-engine, new-suspension, new brakes, new drivetrain RUN-IN requirements and proceeds to over-drive the car (meaning, driving normally when you're supposed to drive GENTLY). Driver who never waits for car to warm up from cold starts.

2. driver who doesnt understand clutch applications and rides the clutch, dump too quickly, feed in not enough gas (for manual cars)

3. driver who doesnt bother to avoid potholes, gauges parking spaces by hitting wheels on kerbs, never bothers to do car alignment, drives with underinflated tyres, introduces stress to steering pump by turning while stationary, or parking with wheel at full lock, forgets to release handbrake, engages P while vehicle hasnt fully stopped, switches from R to D to R without waiting for car to fully stop, etc

4. Idles the car for entire day, never top up engine oil, never top up coolent, pumps wrong grade of fuel, etc

The list is endless. The driver can be a guniang sunday driver, and the mileage low, but the car can be suitably abused enough to be considered serious. An enthusiastic driver, for example, will understand the car enough to drive the car with mechanical sympathy and in doing so ensuring the proper workings and longevity of the car and it's components.

A car that's been drifted often will most likely have uprated shocks springs bushes etc to cope with the demands, and most likely these components changed often. so they will be like new. The car will also more probably be regularly serviced, or even serviced more often than usual. many preventive measures will also be taken to stop the propagating of faults in the car.

for example, not many ppl realise that by driving a car thats not properly aligned at the front, or having warped discs, or driving with flat spotted tyres, you can actually spoil your rubber bushed joint in your steering spindle. coz the steering wheel is held straight while the wheel wobbles, so the centre link is constantly subjected to vibrations and will wear out, causing an effect of a dead centre in your steering. Sunday drivers will probably overlook this and the problem propagates.

so, dont just look at how the car is used, look at how the driver uses the car. And unless you're buying a particularly old car (like more than 5 years, where major components wear and tear schedules surface) or, buying a pre-owned car specifically to keep and use for a long time, such concerns will usually not have much impact on the overall health of the car.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

g0yogi said:
Would you however follow the engine wear in procedures which i believe (correct me if i'm wrong here) is not to rev the engine beyond 3000rpm for the first 2000 kms or so ? I have encountered opposing schools of thought which consider it better to red line the engine ocassionally during this period. Logic being that it's not good to drive the car gently all the time during this period, then red line it after the 2000kms are up, because the car may not cope very well with the sudden change in driving behaviour. Also the ecu chip would have to re-learn ?

Some of my views on this are mentioned around the 10th post on this thread.. http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2671&highlight=motoman

ECU adaptation is not an issue. Adaptation is too hyped by vendors and people who carelessly use the term to try and explain negative mod results. These people do not take the trouble to properly track and quantify degree of adaptation. A stockish car running a stock ECU, properly maintained, driven sanely, has at most 4 areas of adaptation - all 4 in very limited degree, all 4 being capable of being swung to the other "extreme" of the standard adaptation range within mere minutes of drive style changes.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

you need at most one day in various traffic conditions to arrive at a stabilised long term adaptation values for a modern bmw. i tested it.
 
Re: Wd u buy a BMW that's been drifted ?

Racebred said:
you need at most one day in various traffic conditions to arrive at a stabilised long term adaptation values for a modern bmw. i tested it.

Yup plus like I said, a properly maintained, stockish car and ECU, will have small to no trims to begin with, so will be easy to get rid of.

BTW, your previous post regarding how the driver treats the car should be assessed as a whole, makes a lot of sense.
 

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