Aiyo... GTR win everything at Evo Magazine...

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Was passenger.. indicated 226 km/h on both straights at SIC with a relaxed exit from T14 and T15 after having braked way early for them and conservative corner speeds. 230 km/h easy, possibly 235 km/h I would say if just going at a normal clip.. what more if the runflats were ditched.

You don't really feel the acceleration because power is so broad and smooth. Feels like a big heavy powerful but smooth Evo that is more firmly sprung. Decelerates well for something that heavy...

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MT, talk about involvement... had heart broken when I discovered that I can't drive Exige - my long time favourite car, because I my right knee hits the steering wheel when heel toeing. Need a good 3-4 inches of clearance before right leg can be positioned properly to do it right. Have to modify pedals somehow.. Very frustrating trying to scrub big patches of differentiial oil off the tires esp the rears, while being unable to heel toe, while trying to fix an data system problem, while lapping.. trying to get a feel for brake points, corner speeds, on a course not driven in 5 years. But the steering and shifter feel nice.. brakes ok... clutch light and easy. Throttle high relative to brake pedal when engaged, plus close together, so toe toe not an option, and heel really needs to get lifted high to get above the throttle pedal, making knee-wheel interference even worse.
 
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just a simple matter of pedal modification, shaun. Or try a Porsche, more sensible pedal placements at stock.

Honestly an Exige was made for the average person, 170cm, 65kg, medium build, normal proportions, size 8 feet.

And that's not you.
 
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centurion;322285 said:
just a simple matter of pedal modification, shaun. Or try a Porsche, more sensible pedal placements at stock.

Honestly an Exige was made for the average person, 170cm, 65kg, medium build, normal proportions, size 8 feet.

And that's not you.

made for a woman was it?
 
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centurion;322285 said:
just a simple matter of pedal modification, shaun. Or try a Porsche, more sensible pedal placements at stock.

Honestly an Exige was made for the average person, 170cm, 65kg, medium build, normal proportions, size 8 feet.

And that's not you.

that is a very interesting subject, how many ppl you know mod their pedals position sans bolt on face plates to want to drive better? I know of none really.
 
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phil...think it is made for me...i am a average person n i am a woman...hahahaha...

think i cant drive porsche non-s caymen....too average...
 
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fasterthanferrari;322291 said:
that is a very interesting subject, how many ppl you know mod their pedals position sans bolt on face plates to want to drive better? I know of none really.
I think he merely needs to raise the brake pedal a little bit so that he doesn't need to use his heel. simple mod of false pedal.
 
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centurion;322297 said:
I think he merely needs to raise the brake pedal a little bit so that he doesn't need to use his heel. simple mod of false pedal.

Opps, I was thinking a little further towards full racing pedal boxes. I can't remember now, but there was at least a production car that could have all its pedals positioned electronically.
 
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heyjudd;322295 said:
phil...think it is made for me...i am a average person n i am a woman...hahahaha...

think i cant drive porsche non-s caymen....too average...

Yah lor, me too. The too average bit i mean
 
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centurion;322315 said:
OK that's my vital stats. Do you think it's too feminine?

no not at all, unless you are wearing your wifes underwear.

I mean, Im not sure the stats are an average of a population that my use that car
 
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centurion;322297 said:
I think he merely needs to raise the brake pedal a little bit so that he doesn't need to use his heel. simple mod of false pedal.

I'd be looking at a pedal spacer around 1.5 - 2" thick and that would still be a very tight fit to the steering wheel. The transfer from throttle to brake (since now brake pedal face would be 1.5-2" higher than throttle at rest, would also be affected and also use up knee-wheel space. Flat bottomed or smaller steering wheel is possible, but stock is already quite small..

Re: stats, I guess you and I weigh the same.. the differences are in heights and shoe sizes hahah
 
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centurion;322218 said:
Honestly speaking your Maser GT is a very beautiful and seductive machine to me. If I ever weakened I would lust for it above all other cars in spite of it being a ZF TC auto. Really the MOST beautiful car in the world.

Harry Metcalfe boss of Evo just bought one beautiful blue one. Let's follow what he does, and whether he prefers it to his Pagani Zonda F. I'm almost sure he will.

How's the Maser GT experience? You haven't posted much, and it would be rewarding and poisoning to hear at the same time.

I don't think you want the GT. It's big and bulky. The door is so long that I doubt you can get out of your car from the parking lot without dinging it.
 
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Centu - you wont like the Maser anyway... it is an auto... no handling the stick anymore... :p Leave the stick-less action to toto.
 
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timechaser;322366 said:
Centu - you wont like the Maser anyway... it is an auto... no handling the stick anymore... :p Leave the stick-less action to toto.
the Maser GT got its own qualities. sometimes Auto is nice when you are not really doing the drive, but enjoying your surroundings.
 
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centurion;322376 said:
the Maser GT got its own qualities. sometimes Auto is nice when you are not really doing the drive, but enjoying your surroundings.

If you say so :p
 
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Another interesting article on the GTR:

From Pulitzer Prize winner Dan Neil of Los Angeles Times:

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55313

Rumble Seat: 2009 Nissan GT-R
A marvel of power and speed, the all-wheel-drive GT-R coupe is so safe and serene that it's curiously lacking in thrills.
By Dan Neil
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
April 16, 2008

I know what you want from me. You think I'm just your little word slut, that I'm here just to arouse you with steamy descriptions of the new and instantly legendary Nissan GT-R. You want me to parade around in frilly verbiage, like: "The acceleration of the twin-turbo, all-wheel-drive, 480-hp GT-R is much like a 50-yard field goal in the NFL, wherein your butt is the football." Sigh. I feel so used.

But I'm not going to do that, see? I'm not going to say that Nissan's appallingly fast, superbly balanced GT-R sports car is a Ferrari killer, though it easily manhandles Maranello's F430 in 0-60 mph performance, quarter-mile time and lateral grip, and for a fraction of the price (an MSRP of around $70,000, though dealers can charge what they want, and will). I refuse to be drawn into comparisons between the Porsche GT2 -- a $200,000 street racer with suspension settings by Torquemada -- and this serene, effortlessly livable, all-weather coupe that, inconveniently for the top-line Porsche, matches it step for step. It matters a little, but not a lot, that the GT-R is within a second or two (7:38) of the production-car lap record at Germany's fabled Nürburgring. After all, most Americans think the Nürburgring is a lobster dish.

Why? Because, for all its pants-ripping performance, the GT-R is surprisingly -- amazingly -- not all that exciting to drive. Oh yeah, there's epic velocity here, and yet, because there is so much assurance, so many layers of electronic self-preservation, there isn't much frisson or fear. Without fear, there is no fun, which anyone who's had sex in a public place can tell you.

Nissan doesn't even blush. Here's a direct quote from the product briefing: "GT-R offers supercar performance to a broad range of customers for the first time without intimidation."

Despite the GT-R's official nickname, "Godzilla," it's more like 2 tons of fluffy kitten.

Right about now legions of fanboys are throwing down their Sony PlayStation controllers to fire off strongly worded, if badly spelled, e-mails of outrage and dissent. The GT-R's cult status comes courtesy of the video game Gran Turismo, which introduced American audiences to Japan's only true super car. (Previously known as the Skyline GT-R, several generations of the car have appeared over the past 20 years.) In that it started life as an ordinary coupe and was then invested with such insane amounts of raciness (some Skylines had as much as 600 factory horsepower under the hood), the Skyline GT-R had that certain something, that deep perversion of purpose, that Asian import tuners dearly love. It was so wrong it was right.

The new model -- which in the past few years has been repeatedly sighted in prototype testing around the Nürburgring like some 193-mph Brigadoon -- now has its own distinct sheet metal, so the Skyline part of the name has been dropped. It is the first GT-R model to come to the United States. What's fascinating about the GT-R project is just how much Japanese national pride it has come to represent. Nissan's chief creative officer and GT-R guru Shiro Nakamura insisted that the design reflect Japanese culture and avoid aping the razor-cut European exoticism of Ferrari and Lamborghini. And so the GT-R's bluff, blocky masses and angular lines, inspired by the robots -- oh, excuse me -- mecha mobile suits in the "Gundam" anime series. Words cannot describe how awesome this is, if you are 11.

About as pretty as a meat mallet, the GT-R sure does look menacing in person. Its most distinctive features are the dramatic "aero-blade" air extractors aft of the front wheel wells and the fierce glowering headlamps drawn back in a scowl like a Kabuki mask (or Cindy McCain). The underbody is fared in to reduce lift -- the car has significant aero downforce at speed. And coefficient of drag is only .27.

Another surprise: This is a big car, 183.3 inches long (almost 10 inches longer than a Corvette). And it's heavy: 3,836 pounds.

And why not? This is a lot of automobile. Beginning with the engine: a hand-built and blueprinted 3.8-liter, twin-turbocharged V6 putting out 480 hp at 6,400 rpm and 430 pound-feet of torque between 3,200 and 5,200 rpm. At a minimum. Motor Trend's resident skeptic Frank Markus, puzzled that the GT-R was outperforming lighter and more powerful cars like the Porsche 911 Turbo, recently put a GT-R on a borrowed dynamometer. He concluded the engine is producing at least 507 hp and likely a lot more. I don't have access to a dyno, but given the gear ratios and quarter-mile trap speed (the poor man's dyno) of 120.0 mph, I estimate the engine is putting out more like 530 hp.

The big crank is connected to a six-speed, dual-clutch gearbox in a rear transaxle/all-wheel-drive transfer case. Typically, 100% of engine torque is directed at the rear wheels. If the AWD system's cybernetics detect wheel slip, big yaw moments or other kinds of slipping and sliding, it will step in, rerouting up to 50% of engine torque to the front wheels while coordinating with the angels of the stability control system. You can turn off stability control, but it's plain the car's dynamics have been developed with the system ciphering away in the background. Which is to say, the car's faster around a racetrack with stability control on.

The powertrain ends with four gorgeous 20-inch Rays Engineering wheels, with bead knurling on the wheel lip (to prevent the tires from twisting on the rim), wrapped in spec-built, nitrogen-filled Bridgestones.

It all gets pretty nerdy from here, so let me button it up a bit. Computer-controlled adaptive suspension. Race-threshold settings for transmission, traction and stability control. And a launch-control system that allows the mother of all torque-brake takeoffs: There's a brief moan as the highly excited gear packs sluice torque fore and aft, but there's no drama, no wheel spin, no choking incense of clutch. The GT-R simply begins moving like some pneumatically powered experiment in a physics lab. Your guts and wits catch up a beat or two later. On the day I drove the car at Fernley Raceway, near Reno, testers were getting 0-60 mph launches in the 3.1-second range. That's as quick as any car I've ever driven.

By the way, the car is built like the freakin' Yamamoto. I mean, it's solid.

So, what's the problem? It's not really a problem, just a matter of character. This car has been engineered to produce astonishing performance numbers, specifically around the Nürburgring, when driven by the finest drivers in the world. Driven by something less than the finest drivers in the world -- and that would include me -- the margins of safety and control are so broad that it actually makes the car uninvolving. Say what you want about the Porsche GT2: when you drive that car hard, you're in the fight for your existential soul. You are hanging on for a life made ever more dear by the peril.

Around the track in the GT-R, at first I thought, "Oh, wow, I'm driving my butt off. I'm a genius behind the wheel." Soon, though, I realized the car was doing most of the work, saving me from mistakes. The GT-R is the ultimate self-correcting mechanism. No matter how wrong you get your line or how bad you fumble your braking, simply turn the wheel where you want to go and mat the throttle. In an instant, the computers and AWD riddle out a solution and off you go. That doesn't happen in a Ferrari.

And so, the paradox of the Japanese super car that does everything better but is still somehow less fun. As for the engineering, you cannot question that some of the smartest car guys in the world nailed the GT-R together. But when it comes to the thrill of driving, they still have something to learn.

2009 Nissan GT-R
Base price: $69,850

Price, as tested: $71,900

Powertrain: Twin turbocharged 3.8-liter, DOHC 24-valve V6 with variable intake valve timing and direct ignition; six-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission; all-wheel drive.

Horsepower: 480 at 6,400 rpm

Torque: 430 pound-feet at 3,200 to 5,200 rpm

Curb weight: 3,836 pounds

Wheelbase: 109.5 inches

Overall length: 183.3 inches

EPA fuel economy: N/A

Final thoughts: Godzilla on Prozac
 
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Correction Melvin!!

(some Skylines had as much as 600 factory horsepower under the hood),

Should be +400... :lol:

By the way, the car is built like the freakin' Yamamoto.

Wasn't a Yamamoto-class carrier sunk by one lone sub - USS Archerfish in WW2 near Tokyo Bay??
 
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The DSG on the GTR isn't like the DSG on the GTI toto. I've driven both. In R mode, the shifts on the GTR are faster and more mechanical and there's a discernable thunk when the gear changes in some gears, because of the gearing and the way the assembly works. If that's your only disagreement in the car, get some seat time to see the difference. But there's nothing I can do about the badge.

As for how it performs..

The GTR pulls very effortly, and the DSG minimizes power losses between shifts. That IMHO is why it seems to win in many of the shootouts. Out of every corner... just prod the gas pedal and it goes like mad. No lag, no delays. Just boom. I've had to learn to feather my pedal control a lot more in the GTR than I did in the Evo.

In terms of feel, like I've always maintained, it feels like a bigger stock Evo. It has the same lagfree power delivery of a stock Evo.. only much more of it. The 4WD is also very reminiscent of Evo's just that the ATTESA seems less intrusive than SAYC.. and doesn't cut as obviously as the Evo's. It just feels like a more fluid LSD. And this is in Normal mode. Didn't have the guts to try R or Off traction control yet. Neither did the writer from LA Times from the looks of it. From what I've read from other owners and test drivers, switching it to R makes the car behave more like a RWD, Off if you really want it to modulate all the steering with your right foot.

In terms of feel from the road, I think the runflats do rob that feel that I get from the Advan A046 and the A048 on my Evo. My experience with Bridgestones is that they are also less communicative. That at least is my excuse for not daring to push harder. I just don't feel how much grip I have. Ditto when I used Bridgestones on my previous ride. Heard Toyo's R888 might have sizes for the GTR soon, and that would be a closer match to what the Advans can deliver in terms of feel.

As for what I don't like about it after the first track outing?
a. Seats
too tall (can't fit a helmet in and still get a good driving position unless I wanna hit the roof)
no side bolster grip at all

b. tyres
runflats are overinflated for track duty. Need to let out a lot more air than is required for daily driving. Just wanna swap it all out for a good set of sticky rubbers when I get the chance.
 
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DoggieHowser;322448 said:
a. Seats
too tall (can't fit a helmet in and still get a good driving position unless I wanna hit the roof)
no side bolster grip at all

Yah even as passenger with just sitting there, the roof-helmet interference was larger than in an Elise or Exige.. that's unusual for a car that large!
 

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