Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
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Reeve
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Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
bro i have no experience with the superkit, but i had Alcon Extreme 6pots on my S5 SB and Alcon 4pots on my previous golf GTI. Also Brembo GT 6pot / 4pot on my 335i
Alcons didnt give me any problems at all. No warping issues. I prefer Alcon because they are much lighter compare with Brembo GT. And my steering doesnt feel heavier. even using similar disc size.
Ironically, My steering was so heavy after i fitted the brembos GT on my 335i . It feels like there is no power steering.
Also got alot of problems with my Brembo GT, alot of vibration and i skim the disc 2 times because they told me it warp.
But according to the workshop, my biggest problem is, i park the car for too long hahha. Sometime 1 month and the Brembo disc keeps rusting. Beside that, they told me i cant wash my car immediately after driving it. Need to cool off first lol.... i dont need to do that in the Alcons.
This is based on personal experiences.
clar;808128 said:Hey, I am shallow, not cheapskate
bro i have no experience with the superkit, but i had Alcon Extreme 6pots on my S5 SB and Alcon 4pots on my previous golf GTI. Also Brembo GT 6pot / 4pot on my 335i
Alcons didnt give me any problems at all. No warping issues. I prefer Alcon because they are much lighter compare with Brembo GT. And my steering doesnt feel heavier. even using similar disc size.
Ironically, My steering was so heavy after i fitted the brembos GT on my 335i . It feels like there is no power steering.
Also got alot of problems with my Brembo GT, alot of vibration and i skim the disc 2 times because they told me it warp.
But according to the workshop, my biggest problem is, i park the car for too long hahha. Sometime 1 month and the Brembo disc keeps rusting. Beside that, they told me i cant wash my car immediately after driving it. Need to cool off first lol.... i dont need to do that in the Alcons.
This is based on personal experiences.
clar
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Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Bro, thanks a lot for taking the time to write such a comprehensive experience of yours! It does seem that every kit would have some sort of issue, and also does depend on the usage pattern and maintenance.
Reeve;808644 said:bro i have no experience with the superkit, but i had Alcon Extreme 6pots on my S5 SB and Alcon 4pots on my previous golf GTI. Also Brembo GT 6pot / 4pot on my 335i
Alcons didnt give me any problems at all. No warping issues. I prefer Alcon because they are much lighter compare with Brembo GT. And my steering doesnt feel heavier. even using similar disc size.
Ironically, My steering was so heavy after i fitted the brembos GT on my 335i . It feels like there is no power steering.
Also got alot of problems with my Brembo GT, alot of vibration and i skim the disc 2 times because they told me it warp.
But according to the workshop, my biggest problem is, i park the car for too long hahha. Sometime 1 month and the Brembo disc keeps rusting. Beside that, they told me i cant wash my car immediately after driving it. Need to cool off first lol.... i dont need to do that in the Alcons.
This is based on personal experiences.
Bro, thanks a lot for taking the time to write such a comprehensive experience of yours! It does seem that every kit would have some sort of issue, and also does depend on the usage pattern and maintenance.
Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
The highest performing brake rotors are all made of cast iron. Cast iron rusts. Certain steel alloys can be used but they are not as good on the whole. Coating or painting central portion of a cast iron rotor helps nothing but cosmetics.
There are no manufacturers that claim a brake system is different from its competitors because you can spray water on the rotor even when it is hot.
If, at normal road or highway speeds, you can feel massive steering weight change (assisted vs zero assist diff of at least 3kgm at very low speeds) from slightly more massive rotors and/or increased gyroscopic precession, then you have feel approaching or exceeding that of Ayrton Senna's. If you were to mount and calibrate a load cell on the steering column, you would not see a difference in the steering torque number. If you ran a proper steering load blind test (special aftermarket brake kit vs stock) , you would fail it. The human mind is very soft and open to suggestion even if only subconsciously.
Improper bedding or usage of any big brake kit can ruin the rotor and/or pads and cause juddering. Wrong compound for too harsh an application can lead to pad smearing and uneven buildup. The driver is involved in all this so the kit or the service provider cannot solely be blamed for problems arising from it.
What really cannot be excused is technical incompetence especially when it is combined with bad business attitude. When processes that are out of the customer's hands and purely in the service provider's are screwed up badly, the blame has only one place to go.
Being content to send customers off with a brake pedal softer than stock, despite new pads, new lines, new fluid (purchased from them too) is pure fail. This knowing that they're heading to track in a couple of days.
Saying that a brake pedal is better soft and should be that way because it provides better modulation, is crazy.
For a customer to have to be there physically to all the errors (multiple errors), is shameful. Separate errors include, forgetting shims, using lower grade of fluid than was prepaid for, using the wrong process to flush the system, instead letting air into the master cylinder where it can get trapped in the ABS unit, etc.
Unwillingness to discuss and resolve problems with customer despite knowing technical background, insisting it is nothing but useless arguing. This after 3+ hours of time has been consumed on what should take an hour tops. Preferring instead to send customer (spending more of his time), to competitor workshop to get it sorted out, promising refund if competitor fixes it. Competitor does indeed fix it (in 30 minutes), but then original lamer workshop initially refuse refund (on flush process alone, not products), saying that competitor should tell them what they did wrong in order for customer to qualify for refund. Customer has to explain that even if they wanted to tell you what originally was done wrong, they would not be able to because they simply weren't present. There are a hundred ways to screw something up, only a couple ways to do it right. Customer was present throughout, saw it, understood it, and wanted to discuss how to solve it, but they had too much ego to discuss, instead preferring to rattle on about "We are official blah blah blah for ABXYZ brand, so trust us we know what we're doing! We will solve it!" But this was after hours with no solution in sight. Never work off BS statements like that. I've had local big brand longtime tire guys put on all tires in reverse rotation. Another one recommended higher tire pressure going by wear that was more obviously caused by lack of camber or camber gain. Big names big brands mean nothing. Detail is everything. Guys that care only about money can easily screw up what seems grand.
So anyway, refund is eventually obtained. Almost nothing vs the time and money wasted, but it's principle.
Same place screwed up custom brackets even for another big shot customer. Service and support is everything. For all these reasons, in Singapore, I still strongly recommend AP, Brembo, Stoptech, Performance Friction, from Espace, BVO, J4C, BOSS. Top level products are all about the same with little differentiation. Better get top quality service (the other 50%, or even majority of the whole) to go along with it and not sabotage yourself.
Oh yah the same lame place told my friend and myself, that his car (that he bought from them) couldn't have its camber adjusted. But it could. It was a clear "can't be done", not a better "can be done but we can't do it for you because we don't have the time or equipment right now". Killer service! Maximum fail.
The highest performing brake rotors are all made of cast iron. Cast iron rusts. Certain steel alloys can be used but they are not as good on the whole. Coating or painting central portion of a cast iron rotor helps nothing but cosmetics.
There are no manufacturers that claim a brake system is different from its competitors because you can spray water on the rotor even when it is hot.
If, at normal road or highway speeds, you can feel massive steering weight change (assisted vs zero assist diff of at least 3kgm at very low speeds) from slightly more massive rotors and/or increased gyroscopic precession, then you have feel approaching or exceeding that of Ayrton Senna's. If you were to mount and calibrate a load cell on the steering column, you would not see a difference in the steering torque number. If you ran a proper steering load blind test (special aftermarket brake kit vs stock) , you would fail it. The human mind is very soft and open to suggestion even if only subconsciously.
Improper bedding or usage of any big brake kit can ruin the rotor and/or pads and cause juddering. Wrong compound for too harsh an application can lead to pad smearing and uneven buildup. The driver is involved in all this so the kit or the service provider cannot solely be blamed for problems arising from it.
What really cannot be excused is technical incompetence especially when it is combined with bad business attitude. When processes that are out of the customer's hands and purely in the service provider's are screwed up badly, the blame has only one place to go.
Being content to send customers off with a brake pedal softer than stock, despite new pads, new lines, new fluid (purchased from them too) is pure fail. This knowing that they're heading to track in a couple of days.
Saying that a brake pedal is better soft and should be that way because it provides better modulation, is crazy.
For a customer to have to be there physically to all the errors (multiple errors), is shameful. Separate errors include, forgetting shims, using lower grade of fluid than was prepaid for, using the wrong process to flush the system, instead letting air into the master cylinder where it can get trapped in the ABS unit, etc.
Unwillingness to discuss and resolve problems with customer despite knowing technical background, insisting it is nothing but useless arguing. This after 3+ hours of time has been consumed on what should take an hour tops. Preferring instead to send customer (spending more of his time), to competitor workshop to get it sorted out, promising refund if competitor fixes it. Competitor does indeed fix it (in 30 minutes), but then original lamer workshop initially refuse refund (on flush process alone, not products), saying that competitor should tell them what they did wrong in order for customer to qualify for refund. Customer has to explain that even if they wanted to tell you what originally was done wrong, they would not be able to because they simply weren't present. There are a hundred ways to screw something up, only a couple ways to do it right. Customer was present throughout, saw it, understood it, and wanted to discuss how to solve it, but they had too much ego to discuss, instead preferring to rattle on about "We are official blah blah blah for ABXYZ brand, so trust us we know what we're doing! We will solve it!" But this was after hours with no solution in sight. Never work off BS statements like that. I've had local big brand longtime tire guys put on all tires in reverse rotation. Another one recommended higher tire pressure going by wear that was more obviously caused by lack of camber or camber gain. Big names big brands mean nothing. Detail is everything. Guys that care only about money can easily screw up what seems grand.
So anyway, refund is eventually obtained. Almost nothing vs the time and money wasted, but it's principle.
Same place screwed up custom brackets even for another big shot customer. Service and support is everything. For all these reasons, in Singapore, I still strongly recommend AP, Brembo, Stoptech, Performance Friction, from Espace, BVO, J4C, BOSS. Top level products are all about the same with little differentiation. Better get top quality service (the other 50%, or even majority of the whole) to go along with it and not sabotage yourself.
Oh yah the same lame place told my friend and myself, that his car (that he bought from them) couldn't have its camber adjusted. But it could. It was a clear "can't be done", not a better "can be done but we can't do it for you because we don't have the time or equipment right now". Killer service! Maximum fail.
jasonmaxima
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Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Wow...... Shuan.....you have a heap load of pent up frustration.
Wow...... Shuan.....you have a heap load of pent up frustration.
Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
This, my friend, is true. I am powered by hate and frustration. It is why I am obese, losing hair, falling sick, can't eat, can't sleep, going blind, having no fun, banging away at my keyboard until it catches fire. I bottle stuff up for years.. decades... eating me alive from the inside
Help!
jasonmaxima;809598 said:
This, my friend, is true. I am powered by hate and frustration. It is why I am obese, losing hair, falling sick, can't eat, can't sleep, going blind, having no fun, banging away at my keyboard until it catches fire. I bottle stuff up for years.. decades... eating me alive from the inside
Help!
jasonmaxima
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Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
hi shuan.... pls take it out at kartright speedway.... thank you.
hi shuan.... pls take it out at kartright speedway.... thank you.
clar
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Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Hey, please make sure u check their ICs thoroughly!!!
Shaun;809646 said:This, my friend, is true. I am powered by hate and frustration. It is why I am obese, losing hair, falling sick, can't eat, can't sleep, going blind, having no fun, banging away at my keyboard until it catches fire. I bottle stuff up for years.. decades... eating me alive from the inside
Help!
Hey, please make sure u check their ICs thoroughly!!!
Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Roger dat, Chow Yun Fat.
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To clarify, earlier when I said "The highest performing brake rotors are all made of cast iron". I meant metal rotors only.. leaving ceramic and carbon rotors out since they're no where near as widespread in use in road cars yet, vs metal.
Roger dat, Chow Yun Fat.
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To clarify, earlier when I said "The highest performing brake rotors are all made of cast iron". I meant metal rotors only.. leaving ceramic and carbon rotors out since they're no where near as widespread in use in road cars yet, vs metal.
Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Shaun I think I know who you referring to. Btw, I think you're a cancer star.
Shaun;809646 said:This, my friend, is true. I am powered by hate and frustration. It is why I am obese, losing hair, falling sick, can't eat, can't sleep, going blind, having no fun, banging away at my keyboard until it catches fire. I bottle stuff up for years.. decades... eating me alive from the inside
Help!
Shaun I think I know who you referring to. Btw, I think you're a cancer star.
Re: Alcon Superkit for E9x M3
Hahah
It's not about being perfect. Everyone, every garage, makes mistakes - and often enough too. It's how soon and how willingly, correction of an error is made that really matters. Correction in terms of basic business (customer service) and basic technical competence - not illogic and convenient answers, lack of thought, aggression, etc.
Hahah
It's not about being perfect. Everyone, every garage, makes mistakes - and often enough too. It's how soon and how willingly, correction of an error is made that really matters. Correction in terms of basic business (customer service) and basic technical competence - not illogic and convenient answers, lack of thought, aggression, etc.
