Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
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Vansoh
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
solely for safety reason.
like in this instance, no matter who is in the wrong, its the cyclist's body that hurts the most. that's for sure.
I understand that you are an avid cyclist, therefore should be very familiar with the rules and discussion regarding cyclist and road traffic act etc...
I personally think that the various rules and law governing cyclist is telling only one thing....
go cycle in a park or pathway that is purpose built for cycling. if you need to ride on the road, observe the traffic rules, if you get hurt even if your following the rules, don't KBKP.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltaweb/corp/GreenTransport/files/Your%20Guide%20to%20Intra-Town%20Cycling.pdf
solely for safety reason.
like in this instance, no matter who is in the wrong, its the cyclist's body that hurts the most. that's for sure.
I understand that you are an avid cyclist, therefore should be very familiar with the rules and discussion regarding cyclist and road traffic act etc...
I personally think that the various rules and law governing cyclist is telling only one thing....
go cycle in a park or pathway that is purpose built for cycling. if you need to ride on the road, observe the traffic rules, if you get hurt even if your following the rules, don't KBKP.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltaweb/corp/GreenTransport/files/Your%20Guide%20to%20Intra-Town%20Cycling.pdf
davidtch;1056921 said:
brosiss
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
I replayed the video a few times and keep tracking the traffic lights for the car and pedestrian crossing. If I am not wrong, the cyclist did not use pedestrian crossing but he is dashing the traffic amber light thinking he can beat it. The taxi also at wrong because he can turn right and failed to see the cyclist coming for whatever reasons and he also want to beat the amber light or blinking right arrow.
I replayed the video a few times and keep tracking the traffic lights for the car and pedestrian crossing. If I am not wrong, the cyclist did not use pedestrian crossing but he is dashing the traffic amber light thinking he can beat it. The taxi also at wrong because he can turn right and failed to see the cyclist coming for whatever reasons and he also want to beat the amber light or blinking right arrow.
Vansoh
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
you are correct, the cyclist did not use the pedestrian crossing.
he should have, but did not. and paid the price.
similar to me for smoking despite the health warnings, I should quit, but did not. should I die early because of smoking, that's the price I have (willing) to pay for this current moment of enjoyment.
taxi cannot see smaller slower bicycle, bicycle cannot see bigger faster taxi.
you are correct, the cyclist did not use the pedestrian crossing.
he should have, but did not. and paid the price.
similar to me for smoking despite the health warnings, I should quit, but did not. should I die early because of smoking, that's the price I have (willing) to pay for this current moment of enjoyment.
taxi cannot see smaller slower bicycle, bicycle cannot see bigger faster taxi.
brosiss;1056958 said:
Red_Bean_Bun
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
Agree that the cyclist's body hurt the most.
I got hit by a car from behind while cycling straight on the double yellow line when I was about 18. Good thing I flew upwards and sideways and avoided the car as it drove on. The car did not stop.
The skin on the knees and arms all gone, the handle bar making contact with thy nuts while flying, and I had to push the bicycle with a bent rim back home near the Bedok area.
I was cycling because I could not afford taking taxis at 3am. So I don't understand why people who can afford other forms of transport or hobbies would want to risk their lives cycling in Singapore.
Agree that the cyclist's body hurt the most.
I got hit by a car from behind while cycling straight on the double yellow line when I was about 18. Good thing I flew upwards and sideways and avoided the car as it drove on. The car did not stop.
The skin on the knees and arms all gone, the handle bar making contact with thy nuts while flying, and I had to push the bicycle with a bent rim back home near the Bedok area.
I was cycling because I could not afford taking taxis at 3am. So I don't understand why people who can afford other forms of transport or hobbies would want to risk their lives cycling in Singapore.
Vansoh;1056939 said:
seanskye
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Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
As a cyclist myself (and with many scars from run-ins with cars and trucks to show for), I feel the most important thing is to exercise basic common sense on the road.
It doesn't matter if the action is right or wrong, who is at fault and who is not - end of the day all it takes is a single moment of carelessness to get one killed.
If in doubt, or the situation is 50-50, the cyclist should not even have tried to proceed. Gambling with his life, just to take the chance to make it somewhere a few seconds earlier, is what a retard would have done.
As a cyclist myself (and with many scars from run-ins with cars and trucks to show for), I feel the most important thing is to exercise basic common sense on the road.
It doesn't matter if the action is right or wrong, who is at fault and who is not - end of the day all it takes is a single moment of carelessness to get one killed.
If in doubt, or the situation is 50-50, the cyclist should not even have tried to proceed. Gambling with his life, just to take the chance to make it somewhere a few seconds earlier, is what a retard would have done.
Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
Interesting. The link shows:
(1) Do not cycle across pedestrian overhead bridges, pedestrian underpasses or pedestrian crossings. Dismount and push your bicycle (Page 15)
(2) Dismount and push at high pedestrian areas such as traffic crossings, bus stops and covered linkways (Page 16)
(3) Do not cycle across pedestrian crossings. Dismount and push your bicycle (Page 21)
Are these enforceable or just advices?
Vansoh said:
Interesting. The link shows:
(1) Do not cycle across pedestrian overhead bridges, pedestrian underpasses or pedestrian crossings. Dismount and push your bicycle (Page 15)
(2) Dismount and push at high pedestrian areas such as traffic crossings, bus stops and covered linkways (Page 16)
(3) Do not cycle across pedestrian crossings. Dismount and push your bicycle (Page 21)
Are these enforceable or just advices?
Red_Bean_Bun
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
By Joyce Lim
The sister of avid cyclist Mr Wong Chee Hong told The Straits Times yesterday that he had taken his regular precautions before an accident which left him in a critical condition.
On Tuesday, the 52-year-old civil servant had been on his nightly cycle around his neighbourhood and was crossing a junction when a taxi making a right turn hit him.
Mr Wong was flung off his bike and the impact sent one of its wheels flying. Police were alerted to the 10pm accident at the junction of Upper Changi Road East and Somapah Road and Mr Wong was taken conscious to Changi General Hospital.
Mr Wong's sister, who declined to be named, told The Straits Times that her brother underwent surgery yesterday after suffering bleeding in his brain and a fractured thigh bone. He was still unconscious and in critical condition at press time.
By Joyce Lim
The sister of avid cyclist Mr Wong Chee Hong told The Straits Times yesterday that he had taken his regular precautions before an accident which left him in a critical condition.
On Tuesday, the 52-year-old civil servant had been on his nightly cycle around his neighbourhood and was crossing a junction when a taxi making a right turn hit him.
Mr Wong was flung off his bike and the impact sent one of its wheels flying. Police were alerted to the 10pm accident at the junction of Upper Changi Road East and Somapah Road and Mr Wong was taken conscious to Changi General Hospital.
Mr Wong's sister, who declined to be named, told The Straits Times that her brother underwent surgery yesterday after suffering bleeding in his brain and a fractured thigh bone. He was still unconscious and in critical condition at press time.
LimPeh
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
"His regular precautions" doesn't mean he is taking correct precautions. Trying to cross the traffic light junction when the light turned yellow wasn't right. Hope Mr Wong survives this mishap and corrects his regular precautions.
Red_Bean_Bun;1057089 said:
Mockngbrd;1057093 said:
"His regular precautions" doesn't mean he is taking correct precautions. Trying to cross the traffic light junction when the light turned yellow wasn't right. Hope Mr Wong survives this mishap and corrects his regular precautions.
jasonmaxima
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
the road is at least 6 lanes wide....3 lanes going away (as per dash cam point of view), and 3 lanes coming towards (opposite direction).
the cyclist was knocked slightly after the median traffic light....so he had crossed the entire stretch at least 50% of the way?
isn't there a law about percentage of fault when it comes to even jaywalkers vs motorist....
the road is at least 6 lanes wide....3 lanes going away (as per dash cam point of view), and 3 lanes coming towards (opposite direction).
the cyclist was knocked slightly after the median traffic light....so he had crossed the entire stretch at least 50% of the way?
isn't there a law about percentage of fault when it comes to even jaywalkers vs motorist....
Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
This has been the contention of the argument between drivers and cyclists. But fault assignment should not be the focus of the issue at all.
Let's switch cyclists with pedestrians.
Pedestrians against drivers. Bad pedestrians jaywalking, dashing across roads, dashing across yellow/red pedestrian crossing, not checking left/right before zebra-crossing...... one can quantify the exact fault proportion between drivers and pedestrians in each and every accidents but should this become a statistical survey?
Back to the same rationale - prudence, over rights, and over right versus wrong. Cyclists or pedestrians alike, please think about the respect for the Grim Reaper first, before even thinking about user rights, and right or wrong.
This is especially valid when you are facing a 20-tonne-wheeler coming at you.
Siam first, talk later.
jasonmaxima said:
This has been the contention of the argument between drivers and cyclists. But fault assignment should not be the focus of the issue at all.
Let's switch cyclists with pedestrians.
Pedestrians against drivers. Bad pedestrians jaywalking, dashing across roads, dashing across yellow/red pedestrian crossing, not checking left/right before zebra-crossing...... one can quantify the exact fault proportion between drivers and pedestrians in each and every accidents but should this become a statistical survey?
Back to the same rationale - prudence, over rights, and over right versus wrong. Cyclists or pedestrians alike, please think about the respect for the Grim Reaper first, before even thinking about user rights, and right or wrong.
This is especially valid when you are facing a 20-tonne-wheeler coming at you.
Siam first, talk later.
seanskye
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Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
Cyclist knocks into pedestrian, loses balance and dies from hitting head against the pavement. How?
End of the day, cyclist vs. truck, cyclist vs. car/taxi, cyclist vs. pedestrian, or cyclist vs. tree/shrub; it doesn't really matter if the cyclist dies because he doesn't use his brain.
Cyclist knocks into pedestrian, loses balance and dies from hitting head against the pavement. How?
End of the day, cyclist vs. truck, cyclist vs. car/taxi, cyclist vs. pedestrian, or cyclist vs. tree/shrub; it doesn't really matter if the cyclist dies because he doesn't use his brain.
Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
If blinking aero for taxi to turn right, shouldnt opp direction be both red man and red light for straight traffic? Wont even be amber.
Cyclist cheong red, period. He wanted to make use of the pocket of time available before lights for perpendicular direction turns green. Seen too many of these.
Hope he will be ok though.
If blinking aero for taxi to turn right, shouldnt opp direction be both red man and red light for straight traffic? Wont even be amber.
Cyclist cheong red, period. He wanted to make use of the pocket of time available before lights for perpendicular direction turns green. Seen too many of these.
Hope he will be ok though.
Wind_Talker
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Re: Cyclist or Taxi is in the wrong ?
Regardless of right or wrong, when it comes to personal safety, patience needs to precede one's ego or impatience.
How well a bicycle is designed or made and even though it can go a higher speed than an ordinary bicycle, it still is no match for a car in terms of speed, it would have been prudent for the cyclist to have waited since the light has turned amber for going straight. Amber is the most dangerous light as many drivers and/or cyclists take the chance to quickly cross and not be stuck at the lights.
The driver on the other hand should not have dashed and tried to turn as the right turn arrow was going to start to blink. On a personal experience, when I am turning, I usually am focused on the opp traffic and once it is clear, I will start to turn but I have encountered pedestrians crossing at the right set of traffic lights which sometimes we become distracted to notice them. I have since always do double checks, despite whether I have the right of way to ensure everyone's safety including my own. I am no driving angel but I try my best to avoid such incidents by being more aware. This is a lesson learnt for everyone instead of harping on who is right and wrong. Nothing can be changed and I hope the cyclist recovers soon and the driver learnt to be more aware of such situations to prevent such occurrences in future.
Regardless of right or wrong, when it comes to personal safety, patience needs to precede one's ego or impatience.
How well a bicycle is designed or made and even though it can go a higher speed than an ordinary bicycle, it still is no match for a car in terms of speed, it would have been prudent for the cyclist to have waited since the light has turned amber for going straight. Amber is the most dangerous light as many drivers and/or cyclists take the chance to quickly cross and not be stuck at the lights.
The driver on the other hand should not have dashed and tried to turn as the right turn arrow was going to start to blink. On a personal experience, when I am turning, I usually am focused on the opp traffic and once it is clear, I will start to turn but I have encountered pedestrians crossing at the right set of traffic lights which sometimes we become distracted to notice them. I have since always do double checks, despite whether I have the right of way to ensure everyone's safety including my own. I am no driving angel but I try my best to avoid such incidents by being more aware. This is a lesson learnt for everyone instead of harping on who is right and wrong. Nothing can be changed and I hope the cyclist recovers soon and the driver learnt to be more aware of such situations to prevent such occurrences in future.
