F10 omv

[golfgti]

Re: F10 omv

Hi All,
I just collected my 535i from a PI. But i am in a dilema now.

As agreed with the PI se, the omv they promised is 52k to 55k but now it turn out to be 51k plus. This is small amount which i think i can discard this issue.
However, the agreement with them also stated 1st bid guranteed COE and COE rebate is $40k.

When i saw the paper, it stated cat B and coe is only $35,900. I asked the se so the company going to refund me back $4.1k? He also agreed but when he asked his management, they told him no refund. Why? And the reason is given below.

a. Its not open cat coe so no refund
b. Sometime coe there is lose there is gain. so depends on luck.

I not sure if i can claim back from them. I already paid and collected the car, so i plan to file a claim or go to case.

Bros and sis, please advise what should i do or best option to go for?

Thanks in advance

bro nobody knows wat contract u entered with the PI, so none of us can give u proper advice. U r binded by watever u signed, so to answer ure question, read the TNCs. If the contract doesnt have TNCs like most crappy PIs, then u r prob no case against them since its his word vs yours... black n white counts, not talk

 

[leebmer]

Re: F10 omv

not sure my suggestion is worth a try...

go to a few authorized agents...look at their purchase agreement and ask them which clause in that paper will grant you the right to seek coe rebate if actual coe is below coe rebate level..then compare with yours and see if still got chance to pursue...

on the flip side, pls consider that pursuing the case might take up a lot of your time and effort...becoz those guys are savy and might know how to prolong the case until u are exhausted...finally give u back half the rebate amount at best!

Good luck and let us know how it goes...cheers

 

[reefplayer]

Re: F10 omv

The contract agreement stated.

1 guranteed coe
coe rebate $40,000

So what it means for all market?

What is the meaning of coe rebate? If no rebate, then no meaning to put coe rebate inside the contract agreement. Also no need to put value also. Might well put guranteed coe, that it.
Why the word rebate?

 

[etan1]

Re: F10 omv

The contract agreement stated.

1 guranteed coe
coe rebate $40,000

So what it means for all market?

What is the meaning of coe rebate? If no rebate, then no meaning to put coe rebate inside the contract agreement. Also no need to put value also. Might well put guranteed coe, that it.
Why the word rebate?

I think you have a case for some Coe rebate...

 

[zorro]

Re: F10 omv

Yeah looks like it..go for small claim tribunal if no rebate given...this is one problem buying from some PI..

 

[Slater]

Re: F10 omv

u pay to play with PI.

buying of a vehicle shld be based on credibility and deliverbility of the distributor and not purely on discounts.

 

[bm323]

Re: F10 omv

Wow, looks like this board is clearly in favour of parallel importers, and against PML.

reefplayer on the face of it has a case against the pi. From the posts I've read, if this had been in the contract with PML, the curses and swearings would have gone on unabated

reefplayer, is the "1 guranteed coe, coe rebate $40,000" handwritten on the front of the contract? Is it stated that the rebate applies for cat B? Is there any term at the back of the contract that says there is no refund even when rebate amount is stated?

ps what's the name of the pi so that people can be more careful?

 

[skip]

Re: F10 omv

The contract agreement stated.

1 guranteed coe
coe rebate $40,000

So what it means for all market?

What is the meaning of coe rebate? If no rebate, then no meaning to put coe rebate inside the contract agreement. Also no need to put value also. Might well put guranteed coe, that it.
Why the word rebate?

You should rightfully get your rebate. I believe the PI is trying to pull a fast one on you.

Is your PI a CaseTrust member? I suggest lodging a complaint with CASE and let them follow up. Lodging the complaint is quite straightforward, you can do it on their website and their officer will call you back the next business day to understand the situation. No harm trying.

 

[bm323]

Re: F10 omv

You should rightfully get your rebate. I believe the PI is trying to pull a fast one on you.

Is your PI a CaseTrust member? I suggest lodging a complaint with CASE and let them follow up. Lodging the complaint is quite straightforward, you can do it on their website and their officer will call you back the next business day to understand the situation. No harm trying.

Good point

If not casetrust, may still be able to complain to CASE or maybe claim in small claims court.

 

[reefplayer]

Re: F10 omv

Wow, looks like this board is clearly in favour of parallel importers, and against PML.

reefplayer on the face of it has a case against the pi. From the posts I've read, if this had been in the contract with PML, the curses and swearings would have gone on unabated

reefplayer, is the "1 guranteed coe, coe rebate $40,000" handwritten on the front of the contract? Is it stated that the rebate applies for cat B? Is there any term at the back of the contract that says there is no refund even when rebate amount is stated?

ps what's the name of the pi so that people can be more careful?

Yes hand written on the front of the sales agreement by the SE. He also agreed and spoke about this before car deliver. And he now trying to fight for me to his management.

Only stated coe rebate $40k no mention of what cat coe. The term of the contract behind did not state anything about no refund when rebate amount is stated.

 

[reefplayer]

Re: F10 omv

I dont think its a case trust member. I think i give them 1 week to settle if not i will lodge a complain to case.

Thanks all bros.

I bought 2 cars previously from PI and all the same practice and they rebate to me if coe is lower. But to my surprise this PI did not. For a moment i thought i was wrong about this. Hence seek some advices here.

 

[Terry]

Re: F10 omv

many PI will pull a fast one on you... on whatever.... if you ask them about everything... they wont lie....

u need to be educated enough to buy from PI... if u know nothing..... not even how much is COE right now... forget it... go buy frm PML

 

[leebmer]

Re: F10 omv

many PI will pull a fast one on you... on whatever.... if you ask them about everything... they wont lie....

u need to be educated enough to buy from PI... if u know nothing..... not even how much is COE right now... forget it... go buy frm PML

+1...a few things i do if i go to PI...

reputation (trust seal is good as each company has to fork out a deposit into a pool for settlement, etc purpose), if they have stock in SG better still (no need to worry when car arrives from abroad), who is their authorised workshops (if their list of workshops are unknown, then think twice), get them to sign on list of agreed options, coe rebate, freebies, etc...

 

[bm323]

Re: F10 omv

many PI will pull a fast one on you... on whatever.... if you ask them about everything... they wont lie....

Looks like reefplayer has bought from pis before and not knows nothing; this pi's sales agent trying to get the rebate but the management is refusing. Looks like they are not only not lying but trying to cheat based on the info provided.

May I ask why is this board so pro pis?

I have no problems purchasing the 535i at 300k because the value is there, provided that the OMV is at least 85-90k. Or, if they choose to keep the 60+k omv, I'm fine, but sell it at $260k instead. I still feel a bit wasted at missing out on the 535i, but perhaps some years down the road I'll spare myself some amount of grieve. Who knows, maybe the resale value will hold up well enough indeed, but personally I'm not about to take that chance.

clearly price aside, PML is preferred for Racebred admin

pis can't be trusted from some of the posts eg

on the flip side, pls consider that pursuing the case might take up a lot of your time and effort...becoz those guys are savy and might know how to prolong the case until u are exhausted...finally give u back half the rebate amount at best!

And with buyers like below, complaints and curses are hurled at PML expecting them to sell at pi's price?

IMHO, you should go down, test drive, whack as much as you want, have some free coffee and then go buy from PI

I've asked before, if omv is price for BMW Asia, what is the price for PML? We don't know the price, without data, and we join the herd cursing PML?

 

[Merlin_sg]

Re: F10 omv

I've asked before, if omv is price for BMW Asia, what is the price for PML? We don't know the price, without data, and we join the herd cursing PML?

The "curse" at "who else" is not only about the OMV, but their service level, which IMHO, extremely hospitable before you sign, but horribly disappointing after you sign and collect your ride...I believe, if their after-sales service has been reasonable and well-liked, even if OMV is low, many bros here will still buy from them....

 

[wt_know]

Re: F10 omv

BMW car sell by itself. Period. If not the SE & SA will not be that ya-ya with take it or leave it attitude and don't really care about your complaints or unhappiness as they got plenty of customers in the Q. Like you go one damn famous hawker stall the boss will tell you "if you can't wait ... please go"

The "curse" at "who else" is not only about the OMV, but their service level, which IMHO, extremely hospitable before you sign, but horribly disappointing after you sign and collect your ride...I believe, if their after-sales service has been reasonable and well-liked, even if OMV is low, many bros here will still buy from them....

 

[bm323]

Re: F10 omv

The "curse" at "who else" is not only about the OMV, but their service level, which IMHO, extremely hospitable before you sign, but horribly disappointing after you sign and collect your ride...I believe, if their after-sales service has been reasonable and well-liked, even if OMV is low, many bros here will still buy from them....

BMW car sell by itself. Period. If not the SE & SA will not be that ya-ya with take it or leave it attitude and don't really care about your complaints or unhappiness as they got plenty of customers in the Q. Like you go one damn famous hawker stall the boss will tell you "if you can't wait ... please go"

Meaning there's no similar problem with third party service, repair and maintenance??

I have experienced good and not so good service, repair and maintenance with both PML and third party service companies, including ones recommended by this board.

 

[wt_know]

Re: F10 omv

i wouldn't think other workshops including site sponsors are perfect with no problem.
it's just pml service is more bad experience than good ones.

Meaning there's no similar problem with third party service, repair and maintenance??

I have experienced good and not so good service, repair and maintenance with both PML and third party service companies, including ones recommended by this board.

 

[zorro]

Re: F10 omv

The only reason you buy from PI is due to pricing advantage....I am very sure if the difference is less than 15k majority wil still purchase from PML..This apply to other makes as well but the saving quantum will differs.. So PML can kill the PIs easily by adjusting the price down and not at current indecent pricing.. Make less per car but sell more cars and earn from after sales service/parts etc...

PML mgmt seems to be complacent and not taking heed of so many negative complaints recently.....BMW is a great marque and many entrepeneur/co will bid to be the official AD at the slightest opportunity and BMW AG/Asia must know that by now...

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: F10 omv

The only reason you buy from PI is due to pricing advantage....I am very sure if the difference is less than 15k majority wil still purchase from PML..This apply to other makes as well but the saving quantum will differs.. So PML can kill the PIs easily by adjusting the price down and not at current indecent pricing.. Make less per car but sell more cars and earn from after sales service/parts etc...

PML mgmt seems to be complacent and not taking heed of so many negative complaints recently.....BMW is a great marque and many entrepeneur/co will bid to be the official AD at the slightest opportunity and BMW AG/Asia must know that by now...

Very simply put if PML is under supervision and guidance by BMW Asia and PML still is pathetic in their after-sales, then the folks sitting in the aftersales department in BMW Asia is also sleeping on their jobs. OR PML has realised the BMW Asia is not bothered about after-sales so long as the car sales is still there. So really, both parties are just as pathetic to the contribution of the BMW Brand in Singapore due to the pricing and the after-sales. Looking at the US and Europe markets for a contrasting example, they are able to get pretty good discounts for cars sitting at the dealership if you are interested enough and they go ALL OUT to secure the sale as seen from many owners who have posted their experience leading up to the sale of the car. Also, if you observe the US And Europe Markets, their after-sales department is extremely active even in forums. They even register as BMW XXXX where XXXX refers to the dealer locales of each state and/or country.

They have their priorities set right and almost everyone who had a problem is resolved almost immediately. Not to mention, the US markets have lemon law which also forces dealers to be much more competent than what we have here. Imagine if Singapore had the lemon law enforced, do you really think PML will be able to survive? I am sure there will be lawsuits after lawsuits due to their incompetency and complacency. So really we are the end losers here cause 1) Very High Premium for the BMW Brand. 2) Endure and be persistent about the lacklustre service and after-sales of the AD here just to own the BMW Brand.

I agree that PIs may somewhat be of a wary thing for most. But there are reputable PIs around. Some of whom have bought their rides from them. Increasingly over the years, there has been more PIs doing BMWs because of the extremely high markup from PML and this year with the F10 release, has left many wondering about the high price of the cars compared to the very low OMVs. PIs seize this market oppurtunity because they can bring it in for much less at around the same or slightly lower OMV. Coupled with the fact of PMLs reputation over the years with respect to their after-sales, most people actually have a push factor towards PIs due to the massive savings. That's if the savings are worthwhile. Otherwise, just forget it.