Latest engine treatment additive - BORPower

[hilton]

Looking beyond our shoreline, can this be an additive that not only challenges many existing engine oil additives/treatments but turns irrelevance so-called oil technologies from major engine oil producers, or it's just a snake oil to our usual skeptics ...

BORPower® S-250 is a nano boron crystal lubricant that can be used in all transport vehicles with 4-cycle engine (automobiles, minibuses, vans). BORPower® S-250 cannot be used with 2-cycle engines.

BORPower® is a nanotechnology product with superior tribological properties, manufactured using original process technology owned by NNT Ar-Ge. BORPower® utilizes the excellent characteristics of boron diamond powder (MCDP) and nano boron for minimizing friction on working metal surfaces in the engine utilizing the hard-coating and bearing-ball effect. The efficiency of BORPower® originates from the nano-crystalline size of the active ingredients MCDP and nano boron. These nano-particles are formed in special furnaces in an Argone atmosphere at temperatures of 1200°C to 1800°C.

BORPower® is a nano lubricant additive with best-in-class performance. For example, the active ingredient nano boron has the lowest friction coefficient among popular solid lubricants:

Solid lubricant additive Friction coefficient
Molybdenum disulfide 0.70
Teflon 0.58
Graphite 0.25
Antimony oxide 0.24
Nano boron 0.17

BORPower® is a nano boron crystal lubricant and its efficiency is physical in nature. This gives BORPower® many advantages over common motor oil additives on the market, whose efficiency relies on chemical reactions between the additive and the motor oil as well as the engine’s inner parts:

Liquid lubricant additive Nano boron crystal lubricant BORPower®
Active ingredients are chemically aggressive and harmful substances. The active ingredients of BORPower® are chemically inert, harmless and stable even in presence of strong acids or bases.

The break-up of the active ingredients into short carbons under the harsh operating conditions in the engine causes unwished side effects such as micropitting, corrosion and lubrication film damage. The active ingredients of BORPower® are very stable under high temperatures and pressures.

Active ingredients decompose quickly and require refill after a few 1000 kilometers of driving distance. The active ingredients of BORPower® build up hard-coatings in the engine’s inner parts that last up to 60.000 kilometers of driving distance.

BORPower® does not suffer from common disadvantages of solid lubricant additives such as clogging the oil filter and the engine’s inner parts or agglutination of the lubrication particles due to the nano-size of the active ingredients.

More details @ Home: NNT Nanotechnology AG - Visions of innovation

 

[fasterthanferrari]

Re: Latest engine treatment additive - BORPower

How is this compared to Prolong, the engine treatment that adheres to metal surfaces in the engine, protecting the engine even when the motor oil is not yet fully circulating?

 

[centurion]

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How is this compared to Prolong, the engine treatment that adheres to metal surfaces in the engine, protecting the engine even when the motor oil is not yet fully circulating?

there's TUFOIL too. OK this one I have testimony. In my young days I used it. Result: Complete sensor failure requiring wiring loom replacement and so many sensors change ....!

 

[fasterthanferrari]

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there's TUFOIL too. OK this one I have testimony. In my young days I used it. Result: Complete sensor failure requiring wiring loom replacement and so many sensors change ....!

Damn...what were you driving then? OK, here's mine, I had used it only once in my life and that was because the original engine in my car was burning oil at about a quart every 2 days or so.
A new engine was being prepared at the same time, so this was a good time to experiment.
I'd put in a bottle after seeing a TV ad where the demo was running dry AND with sand in its valvetrain. OK we all know how TV ads were, but I did put the car through its usual paces for a month or so until it was taken out for the change. As you would have expected, there was no oil left in the sump but it wasn't dry also, this was in winter too if it makes any different. The internals did looked like its been overcooked but since the extend of 'damage' was of no concern at the time, I really didn't cared. However if you ask me if I'd believed it or not, I really wouldn't know.

 

[futron.sim]

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Oh Boron. Its the latest technology in terms of lubricated. AFAIK, boric acid was discovered to have extremely good lubrication properties when you reduce the particle size down to nano sizes). Check out the article below regarding lubrication properties of boric acid.

Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery

Boron based lubricants have begun to emerged late 2007 and I guess we have this man to thank for.

 

[centurion]

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Damn...what were you driving then? OK, here's mine, I had used it only once in my life and that was because the original engine in my car was burning oil at about a quart every 2 days or so.
A new engine was being prepared at the same time, so this was a good time to experiment.
I'd put in a bottle after seeing a TV ad where the demo was running dry AND with sand in its valvetrain. OK we all know how TV ads were, but I did put the car through its usual paces for a month or so until it was taken out for the change. As you would have expected, there was no oil left in the sump but it wasn't dry also, this was in winter too if it makes any different. The internals did looked like its been overcooked but since the extend of 'damage' was of no concern at the time, I really didn't cared. However if you ask me if I'd believed it or not, I really wouldn't know.

lol it was a Merc which was not a merc, the high end version. I have sold it. Shhhh....

If not under warranty, I would have been broke.

It took them 2 weeks to fix everything.

Now hopefully wisely is not gonna read this.

 

[hilton]

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My apologies here for this late reply cos have not been regularly accessing my PC. This BORPower supposed to provide a lowest friction coefficient near-diamond hard coating over those surface imperfection of the engine bore. It claims to have passed a zero-wear (more demanding than low friction) test. Whereas Prolong seems to be film coating but no report of zero-wear tests which is mostly unheard of until BORPower.

How is this compared to Prolong, the engine treatment that adheres to metal surfaces in the engine, protecting the engine even when the motor oil is not yet fully circulating?

 

[fasterthanferrari]

Re: Latest engine treatment additive - BORPower

BORPower supposed to provide a lowest friction coefficient near-diamond hard coating over those surface imperfection of the engine bore.

So this is a coating? Is it reversible?

 

[centurion]

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well that's OK at least you try your hand at forum marketing. Take note that forum marketing is an art form now, and it's loosely termed customer engagement. Practice practice practice but if you don't access the PC often better give up.

 

[fasterthanferrari]

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No worries mate, take your time and show us what you have. I still believe in magic sometimes, however it's not going to be easy trying to convince some of the more experienced bunch over here.

Here's the logic and I quote:

The major oil companies are some of the richest, most powerful and aggressive corporations in world. They own multi- million dollar research facilities manned by some of the best chemical engineers money can hire. It is probably safe to say that any one of them has the capabilities and resources at hand in marketing, distribution, advertising, research and product development equal to 20 times that of any of the independent additive companies. It therefore stands to reason that if any of these additive products were actu ally capable of improving the capabilities of engine lubricants, the major oil companies would have been able to determine that and to find some way to cash in on it.

Yet of all the oil additives we found, none carried the name or endorsement of any of the major oil producers.

 

[PerverTT]

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FTF - I skim read the article you quoted from. The useful bits are all near the end. This is the part that I like:

"Against this rather formidable barrage of scientific research, additive makers offer not much more than their own claims of effectiveness, plus questionable and totally unscientific personal testimonials. Though the purveyors of these products state they have studies from other independent laboratories supporting their claims, they refuse to identify the labs or provide copies of the research. The only test results they will share are those from their own testing departments, which must, by their very nature, be taken with a rather large grain of salt."


Once you have owned a few cars, you notice a certain consistency in the messages being pushed by purveyors of different car products. There's an engine chip that will tap into hidden power reserves in my car, there are various devices that once fitted to the car, will give it an anorexic appetite for petrol, there's a petrol additive that will make the engine sing like a Ferrari, etc etc. All this could be yours for just a few dollars.

After a while, you start to think. If the product is so bloody amazing, then why hasn't the inventor patented it and made a mint by licensing the technology to all the rich car makers or petro-chemical multi-nationals who should be falling over themselves to get their hands on this hot shot product? Why make money the hard way by flogging the product to sceptical consumers, without the marketing heft of a recognised brand?

And then you start to get cynical. Your cynicism is reinforced by well founded reports of cars or their engines that have been actually damaged by these after-market products. Then finally you say: "F*ck it, This sounds too good to be true. I'll sit out and wait. Let somebody else be the guinea pig."

That's exactly what I've done. Ten cars later, I haven't regretted it one bit at all.

 

[centurion]

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Problem is ... if product got problem, you dare not post.

Coz you still hope to sell your car.

 

[futron.sim]

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No worries mate, take your time and show us what you have. I still believe in magic sometimes, however it's not going to be easy trying to convince some of the more experienced bunch over here.

Here's the logic and I quote:

The major oil companies are some of the richest, most powerful and aggressive corporations in world. They own multi- million dollar research facilities manned by some of the best chemical engineers money can hire. It is probably safe to say that any one of them has the capabilities and resources at hand in marketing, distribution, advertising, research and product development equal to 20 times that of any of the independent additive companies. It therefore stands to reason that if any of these additive products were actu ally capable of improving the capabilities of engine lubricants, the major oil companies would have been able to determine that and to find some way to cash in on it.

Yet of all the oil additives we found, none carried the name or endorsement of any of the major oil producers.

What you have mentioned is true. However, it does not mean its a major company means it could come out with a good oil additive package. Budget is one thing these companies have but there are numerous other factors as well.

Take this boron based product for eg. The research of using boric acid for lubrication is done by US Department of Energy rather than a commercial company.

One of the most famous is perhaps the invention of blue LED. Its done by a Jap Scientist called Shuji Nakamura. All the big guns failed in producing a reliable blue LED but he did. Thats why we get blue LEDs today.

 

[centurion]

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One of the most famous is perhaps the invention of blue LED. Its done by a Jap Scientist called Shuji Nakamura. All the big guns failed in producing a reliable blue LED but he did. Thats why we get blue LEDs today.

Yes but the LED DOES work. It is self evident that it works. Other laymen or scientists all can attest that ... YES, that LED does give off a blue light.

 

[hilton]

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It is true that mainstream oils can't be totally wrong. However, increasingly I see many users of Mobil 1 and Helix Ultra going for less branded but not necessary cheaper oil. Those staying with mainstream are mostly out of convenient from approved workshop than conviction.

Personally I didn't have good experience with Mobil 1 and Helix Ultra. Both my previous Lancer and Mazda 323 worn off considerably and no better than any others after 4-6 years regularly on these oils. In fact some friends who drove similar cars seem better off using less branded oils with additives and other aftermarket gadgets. By comparison on the 3rd year onward, their rides were clearly quieter and smoother than those solely relying on oils from big petrol company

What is the possibiilty that those racing machines are not having the same Mobil 1 that we pour into our crankcase contrary to what has been suggested in the advertisements?

No worries mate, take your time and show us what you have. I still believe in magic sometimes, however it's not going to be easy trying to convince some of the more experienced bunch over here.

Here's the logic and I quote:

The major oil companies are some of the richest, most powerful and aggressive corporations in world. They own multi- million dollar research facilities manned by some of the best chemical engineers money can hire. It is probably safe to say that any one of them has the capabilities and resources at hand in marketing, distribution, advertising, research and product development equal to 20 times that of any of the independent additive companies. It therefore stands to reason that if any of these additive products were actu ally capable of improving the capabilities of engine lubricants, the major oil companies would have been able to determine that and to find some way to cash in on it.

Yet of all the oil additives we found, none carried the name or endorsement of any of the major oil producers.

 

[hilton]

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That's true my previous rides regularly on Mobil 1 were badly worn after 4 year. I am not saying other oils do not have the same weakness to some extent.

If an additive suggests a ridical but rational approach to the possibility of zero-wear (not just low friction), will it not be welcome? Perhaps, the last thing to expect is the oil giants will ever humble enough to turn to small fly.

If BORPower works when used at the correct close interval, our engine might not be too diferent from new after 10 years. If it doesn't, we might be just back to square one assuming it does not have adverse side effect.

Or we are skeptically certain it's just another snake oil waiting for one of the oil giants to pull a string at FTC to disprove it?

Problem is ... if product got problem, you dare not post.

Coz you still hope to sell your car.

 

[Shaun]

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What is the possibiilty that those racing machines are not having the same Mobil 1 that we pour into our crankcase contrary to what has been suggested in the advertisements?

At least 25 or so of the highest strung spec-engines (5 digit engine speeds, high power high load,~1500 mile service life) in american racing run literal Mobil 1 as the only manufacturer approved lubricant. Just a lighter weight than usual.

In other forms of racing, various oils are used, tweaked specifically for racing. Yet none of these oils make claims anywhere close to what BORPower or other magic oils claim.

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It might be that the magic oils are really the latest cutting edge, but the guys that find the latest and greatest are not individuals, but the big companies, and race teams - the guys that have the budget, facilities, and who do tons of real life testing, to find an edge. The first place all these magic oil companies should go is to these places, prove it to them and make the honest money. Those who don't are just preying on ignorant individuals and they know it.

 

[futron.sim]

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Yes but the LED DOES work. It is self evident that it works. Other laymen or scientists all can attest that ... YES, that LED does give off a blue light.

I have absolutely no idea what you are driving at..........

 

[centurion]

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your example on the LED - great story, the LED works. Every body can see that, great achievement.

funny oils by small company - works? dunno.

 

[fasterthanferrari]

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And then you start to get cynical. Your cynicism is reinforced by well founded reports of cars or their engines that have been actually damaged by these after-market products. Then finally you say: "F*ck it, This sounds too good to be true. I'll sit out and wait. Let somebody else be the guinea pig."

TT, how very true indeed. No matter how much said will never change a young curious mind.
However, I do change oil too frequently to make any good use of additives.

Problem is ... if product got problem, you dare not post.
Coz you still hope to sell your car.

Wouldn't it be the same as advertising that you have been using XXX magic oil for so many donkey years to 'protect' the engine/car?

What you have mentioned is true. However, it does not mean its a major company means it could come out with a good oil additive package. Budget is one thing these companies have but there are numerous other factors as well.

It will be helpful if you can list the other factors as well. I have no idea, really.

Take this boron based product for eg. The research of using boric acid for lubrication is done by US Department of Energy rather than a commercial company.

Straight to the point, is the DOE endorsing the product?

One of the most famous is perhaps the invention of blue LED. Its done by a Jap Scientist called Shuji Nakamura. All the big guns failed in producing a reliable blue LED but he did. Thats why we get blue LEDs today.

Any good invention can start off small, good inventions don't necessary need to come from the big boys, but its usually them who will take the next big step for any good ideas to develop fully. However, that is all besides the point.

It is true that mainstream oils can't be totally wrong. However, increasingly I see many users of Mobil 1 and Helix Ultra going for less branded but not necessary cheaper oil. Those staying with mainstream are mostly out of convenient from approved workshop than conviction.

What is the possibiilty that those racing machines are not having the same Mobil 1 that we pour into our crankcase contrary to what has been suggested in the advertisements?

I don't see how mainstream oil could be wrong after all these years unless its going to be the next biggest conspiracy after UFOs. IMO, why others are going to other brands is more psychological than anything else.

What is the possibility of the any other brands including mainstream ones being filled with cooking oil instead?

That's true my previous rides regularly on Mobil 1 were badly worn after 4 year. I am not saying other oils do not have the same weakness to some extent.

I am not a proponent of Mobil 1, but what you are implying is that the engine failure is due to Mobil 1. How did you come to that conclusion btw?

If an additive suggests a ridical but rational approach to the possibility of zero-wear (not just low friction), will it not be welcome? Perhaps, the last thing to expect is the oil giants will ever humble enough to turn to small fly.

Or we are skeptically certain it's just another snake oil waiting for one of the oil giants to pull a string at FTC to disprove it?

Yes, new ideas are always welcome, in fact it is highly encouraged and that is why we are all skeptics until proven otherwise. But like I had mentioned, it will always be hard trying to promote a new idea, maybe harder sometimes but never easy unless you are my best friend, then I may give you the benefit of a doubt and let you get away with conning me sometimes. And I doubt any oil gaints will pull a fast one like that with some small fry snake oil seller trying make a buck or 2, they usually gets taken down in a much shorter time by the skeptics.

Btw, all this is not direct at you, its just my way of putting it. So keep posting, its getting more interesting.