Let's talk stocks & IPO
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jasonmaxima
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
SGX used to offer
ipoh-horfun;770724 said:
SGX used to offer
Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
All the charting courses are too textbook driven. The flaws of such models are:
(1) too historically driven, based on extrapolation but with no proper basis of regression. Example - to trade 3-5 days cycles, how far back should I read the charts?
(2) most charting techniques do not take into account of different timeframes. They assume all people trade the same timeframe.
(3) most charting techniques are directional at most. There is no precise (a) levels/range (b) odds (c) time/cycle
(4) pattern recognition should be incorporated into charting courses - but that is an art.
(5) technical studies MUST include the studies of leverage and VAR management. A hedge fund and a day trader will never behave the same.
If you guys are keen, go read up or take courses from Ray Barros.
All the charting courses are too textbook driven. The flaws of such models are:
(1) too historically driven, based on extrapolation but with no proper basis of regression. Example - to trade 3-5 days cycles, how far back should I read the charts?
(2) most charting techniques do not take into account of different timeframes. They assume all people trade the same timeframe.
(3) most charting techniques are directional at most. There is no precise (a) levels/range (b) odds (c) time/cycle
(4) pattern recognition should be incorporated into charting courses - but that is an art.
(5) technical studies MUST include the studies of leverage and VAR management. A hedge fund and a day trader will never behave the same.
If you guys are keen, go read up or take courses from Ray Barros.
ipoh-horfun
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
ah ken u teach charting ?
can teach horfun ?
kenntona;770727 said:
ah ken u teach charting ?
can teach horfun ?
ipoh-horfun
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i once attended Kishore M Forex Course... not my type..
looking at asia charts
i once attended Kishore M Forex Course... not my type..
looking at asia charts
Dinosaur hunter
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I need to attend Kenn's class as well.
I need to attend Kenn's class as well.
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The other litmus test is whether the trainer adopts a different strategy for shorting. If he sticks to the same methodology for both long and short trades, he is not a market practitioner. The mindset/behaviour/psychology/leverage factor for the short trades are very very different from a long trade.
The other litmus test is whether the trainer adopts a different strategy for shorting. If he sticks to the same methodology for both long and short trades, he is not a market practitioner. The mindset/behaviour/psychology/leverage factor for the short trades are very very different from a long trade.
toiletsiao
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
sounds like someone we know...... :juggle:
kenntona;770849 said:
sounds like someone we know...... :juggle:
ipoh-horfun
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
U.S. stock indexes jump ahead of Fed Market Snapshot
.DJIA13177.68
217.97+1.68%
.NCOMP3039.88
56.22+1.88%0
.SPX1395.95
24.86+1.81%0
U.S. stock indexes jump ahead of Fed Market Snapshot
.DJIA13177.68
217.97+1.68%
.NCOMP3039.88
56.22+1.88%0
.SPX1395.95
24.86+1.81%0
wt_know
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seems like US market is getting stronger
1. banks balance sheet healties since 2008/2009
2. job market increases
3. unemployment claim drops
4. retail market going up
5. nov usa president election .. gov will cheong all the way to push up market?
seems like US market is getting stronger
1. banks balance sheet healties since 2008/2009
2. job market increases
3. unemployment claim drops
4. retail market going up
5. nov usa president election .. gov will cheong all the way to push up market?
ipoh-horfun
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
Sina Finance afternoon stock index accelerate the decline, the stock index
fell more than 2% break 2400 points, disk, shipbuilding, culture media, the
Internet of Things, environmental protection and other two sessions,
subject shares among the top decliners.Analysts said the sharp sell
afternoon stock index mainly due to a bad. Wen Jiabao said: "I think
reasonable prices, should make the prices and the income of the residents
to adapt to, house prices and input match and a reasonable profit. Now I
can tell you, the prices is far from back to to a reasonable price.
Therefore, the regulation can not relax, relax, will come to naught, but
will also cause confusion in the real estate market is not conducive to
real estate long-term healthy and stable development. "Premier Wen's
remarks indicate that prices have not fallen in place, there is still much
room to fall, because it caused a sharp sell real estate, cement and
other.Technically, analysts believe the market to build a triple top, the
stock index finished lower intraday dive from red to turn green, the end of
the maintenance of stability market. After market or shock finishing the
main. Suspended operations should maintain a cautious temper appropriate to
reduce positions.
新浪财经讯 午后股指加速下跌，沪指跌逾2%破2400点，盘面上，船舶制造、文化传
媒、物联网、环保等两会题材股跌幅居前。
分析人士称，午后股指大幅杀跌主因是一则利空。温家宝说：“我以为合理的房
价，应该是使房价与居民的收入相适应，房价与投入和合理的利润相匹配。现在我可
以明确地告诉大家，房价还远远没有回到合理价位。因此，调控不能放松。如果放
松，将前功尽弃，而且会造成房地产市场的混乱，不利于房地产长期健康和稳定发
展。”
温总理的这番话表明房价还没下跌到位，还有很大的下跌空间，因为引起了地
产、水泥等的大幅杀跌。
技术上，分析人士认为，大盘构筑三重顶，股指冲高回落，盘中跳水由红翻
绿，维稳行情结束。后巿或将震荡整理为主。操作上暂宜保持谨慎，逢高适当降低仓
位。
Sina Finance afternoon stock index accelerate the decline, the stock index
fell more than 2% break 2400 points, disk, shipbuilding, culture media, the
Internet of Things, environmental protection and other two sessions,
subject shares among the top decliners.Analysts said the sharp sell
afternoon stock index mainly due to a bad. Wen Jiabao said: "I think
reasonable prices, should make the prices and the income of the residents
to adapt to, house prices and input match and a reasonable profit. Now I
can tell you, the prices is far from back to to a reasonable price.
Therefore, the regulation can not relax, relax, will come to naught, but
will also cause confusion in the real estate market is not conducive to
real estate long-term healthy and stable development. "Premier Wen's
remarks indicate that prices have not fallen in place, there is still much
room to fall, because it caused a sharp sell real estate, cement and
other.Technically, analysts believe the market to build a triple top, the
stock index finished lower intraday dive from red to turn green, the end of
the maintenance of stability market. After market or shock finishing the
main. Suspended operations should maintain a cautious temper appropriate to
reduce positions.
新浪财经讯 午后股指加速下跌，沪指跌逾2%破2400点，盘面上，船舶制造、文化传
媒、物联网、环保等两会题材股跌幅居前。
分析人士称，午后股指大幅杀跌主因是一则利空。温家宝说：“我以为合理的房
价，应该是使房价与居民的收入相适应，房价与投入和合理的利润相匹配。现在我可
以明确地告诉大家，房价还远远没有回到合理价位。因此，调控不能放松。如果放
松，将前功尽弃，而且会造成房地产市场的混乱，不利于房地产长期健康和稳定发
展。”
温总理的这番话表明房价还没下跌到位，还有很大的下跌空间，因为引起了地
产、水泥等的大幅杀跌。
技术上，分析人士认为，大盘构筑三重顶，股指冲高回落，盘中跳水由红翻
绿，维稳行情结束。后巿或将震荡整理为主。操作上暂宜保持谨慎，逢高适当降低仓
位。
ktnpl
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
Anyone bought corporate bonds such as Genting or GucoLand. Both offer annual returns of 5% or more. My bank offerred me last month 100.5 for GuocoLand 5 year bond at 5% coupon but I could not find any info on it online. The offer has expired but I am curious whether it was a good deal?
Anyone bought corporate bonds such as Genting or GucoLand. Both offer annual returns of 5% or more. My bank offerred me last month 100.5 for GuocoLand 5 year bond at 5% coupon but I could not find any info on it online. The offer has expired but I am curious whether it was a good deal?
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The Genting issue was a preferred share, not a bond. Media kept using the words "perpetual bond" but it is deceptive. Dividend 5.125%, but Baa3 rated (not high grade). If you are hungry for yield, you can still buy it around par (or below) now, OTC market (please) and $250K per pop.
The Genting issue was a preferred share, not a bond. Media kept using the words "perpetual bond" but it is deceptive. Dividend 5.125%, but Baa3 rated (not high grade). If you are hungry for yield, you can still buy it around par (or below) now, OTC market (please) and $250K per pop.
ktnpl
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Re: Let's talk stocks & IPO
Thanks Kenntona, which is better? Guocoland or Genting? UOB only offerred me Guocoland 1 lot for $251,250 on 15 Feb 2012. Lim & Tan does not seem to sell these. Where else do we buy these over the counter derivatives? Is there any site giving daily price info?
kenntona;775846 said:
Thanks Kenntona, which is better? Guocoland or Genting? UOB only offerred me Guocoland 1 lot for $251,250 on 15 Feb 2012. Lim & Tan does not seem to sell these. Where else do we buy these over the counter derivatives? Is there any site giving daily price info?
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The perpetual bond is redeemable at yr 10 with reset of yield in yr 5 or so.to the rating house this bond is deem 50% debt. To regulator it is 100% equity which does not makes sense from a prudent angle. Be careful that such instrument has low liquidity and buyers are at mercy of issuer to take back capital.
5% yield is available by few reits in market.
The perpetual bond is redeemable at yr 10 with reset of yield in yr 5 or so.to the rating house this bond is deem 50% debt. To regulator it is 100% equity which does not makes sense from a prudent angle. Be careful that such instrument has low liquidity and buyers are at mercy of issuer to take back capital.
5% yield is available by few reits in market.
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I think the Singpost 4.25% makes more sense. AA -rated issue.
In general, buyers of preferred shares need to understand that it is not a bond. It pays dividend, not coupon/interest. A company can choose NOT to pay dividend, though if it does so, it cannot pay ordinary shareholders (most of the time, parent) although it might have a cumulative clause.
Can a company not pay coupon/interest on a bond? No, unless it is in a default scenario.
I think the Singpost 4.25% makes more sense. AA -rated issue.
In general, buyers of preferred shares need to understand that it is not a bond. It pays dividend, not coupon/interest. A company can choose NOT to pay dividend, though if it does so, it cannot pay ordinary shareholders (most of the time, parent) although it might have a cumulative clause.
Can a company not pay coupon/interest on a bond? No, unless it is in a default scenario.
