The beginning of bigger turbos to come? I sure as hell hope so.
N54 Turbos Ripped Apart
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The beginning of bigger turbos to come? I sure as hell hope so.
Re: N54 Turbos Ripped Apart
Whats wrong with lusting for turbo power ? As long as my chasis can put down streetable power and negotiate corners the way i want it to, its perfect!!! And cornering this car with my KWs and soon to be installed sways and camber kit, will make it real fun. Not as fun as the Z4 thru corners but i'll make that up with the added power upon exit.
caySman;234855 said:The way you're lusting for turbo power and drag capability, you might as well have bought an Evo or STI and mod the hell outta it.
Whats wrong with lusting for turbo power ? As long as my chasis can put down streetable power and negotiate corners the way i want it to, its perfect!!! And cornering this car with my KWs and soon to be installed sways and camber kit, will make it real fun. Not as fun as the Z4 thru corners but i'll make that up with the added power upon exit.
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Same logic could be applied on many forumers here, who did everything and ended up with cars in the workshop half the time. Compare to the cost they spent and the yield from the mods and you might say that they are silly. Then again, the fun could well lie in the learning process, not the end product. There is no rationale there. Just passion.caySman said:The way you're lusting for turbo power and drag capability, you might as well have bought an Evo or STI and mod the hell outta it.
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EVO and STI are fast beasts but the BMW is a compromise between good power and comfort. Detail to the nth detail. Modding the hell outta the Evo and STI would give me superior speed and power but i want power and comfort. So ur point here is totally invalid unless you are looking it from a ricer point of view.
I could easily ask u the same question on why 9ff and other tuner companies has pushed the power of the Cayman to astronomous levels? Isnt that similar to modding the hell out of a Evo/STI? I dont see a valid link btw lust for turbo power and buying an Evo and STI and modding the hell outta it. Its simply different cars for different ppl for different needs and wants. On the Cayman forums in US, so many ppl are also supercharging the caymans. They are not stock guys like you but like Kentonna said, passion and the thirst of fully exploiting the superb chasis of the Cayman that has sadly been underutilised as far as power is concerned.
caySman;234855 said:The way you're lusting for turbo power and drag capability, you might as well have bought an Evo or STI and mod the hell outta it.
EVO and STI are fast beasts but the BMW is a compromise between good power and comfort. Detail to the nth detail. Modding the hell outta the Evo and STI would give me superior speed and power but i want power and comfort. So ur point here is totally invalid unless you are looking it from a ricer point of view.
I could easily ask u the same question on why 9ff and other tuner companies has pushed the power of the Cayman to astronomous levels? Isnt that similar to modding the hell out of a Evo/STI? I dont see a valid link btw lust for turbo power and buying an Evo and STI and modding the hell outta it. Its simply different cars for different ppl for different needs and wants. On the Cayman forums in US, so many ppl are also supercharging the caymans. They are not stock guys like you but like Kentonna said, passion and the thirst of fully exploiting the superb chasis of the Cayman that has sadly been underutilised as far as power is concerned.
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Definitely if you go with really aggressive mods. For 1 thing, the car is lighter and there is alot more things u can touch as opposed to the 335. It also depends, most evos and rexes have short gearing, so even with more power than a 335i, the 335 will quickly catch up once they run out of breath. It all depends on how these guys have tuned the cars but generally the 335 should be abt as fast as some done up evos and rexes. Those with Motec ECUs , u can forget abt playing with them unless u wanna look like an idiot.
phil;234870 said:
Definitely if you go with really aggressive mods. For 1 thing, the car is lighter and there is alot more things u can touch as opposed to the 335. It also depends, most evos and rexes have short gearing, so even with more power than a 335i, the 335 will quickly catch up once they run out of breath. It all depends on how these guys have tuned the cars but generally the 335 should be abt as fast as some done up evos and rexes. Those with Motec ECUs , u can forget abt playing with them unless u wanna look like an idiot.
centurion
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yeah, but cheaper lessons and more rewarding lessons from the STI and Evo, no?
Hey, this is not flamebait. Just an observation. The Beemer, so finely tuned by the germans, ain't that enough for you? The respect for the engineer and the confidence that they know what they're doing?
yeah, but cheaper lessons and more rewarding lessons from the STI and Evo, no?
Hey, this is not flamebait. Just an observation. The Beemer, so finely tuned by the germans, ain't that enough for you? The respect for the engineer and the confidence that they know what they're doing?
centurion
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I tell you... if you continue like that, the end is no fun. I've been there before. After a year or so you look at your car and you start to hate it because of all the funny stupid issues which MAY AND MAY NOT be caused by your modding and you'll wanna sell it. And then you start to lust for your car virgin again, instead of the silicon mama you made it to be.
I'm looking at it from a very very nice point of view lah, Omar. You look like a kid in the candy store. You're not even appreciating your car now, you just looking at mods and mods every week.elmariachi;234866 said:
I tell you... if you continue like that, the end is no fun. I've been there before. After a year or so you look at your car and you start to hate it because of all the funny stupid issues which MAY AND MAY NOT be caused by your modding and you'll wanna sell it. And then you start to lust for your car virgin again, instead of the silicon mama you made it to be.
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Comparing from car to car, yes...cheaper to start with in Evo / STi but once the mod list began, the mod funds can go ballistic.
With regard to finetuning, I will only agree if you are refering to NA engines. For FI, esp turbo ones, alot more potential can be gained from after mkt products
And this applies not to just BMWs, but other high performance luxury conti cars like 911 Turbo, Merc AMG SuperCharged to name a few, all of which can make an easy +75bhp w/o changing any hardwares.
caySman;234878 said:
Comparing from car to car, yes...cheaper to start with in Evo / STi but once the mod list began, the mod funds can go ballistic.
With regard to finetuning, I will only agree if you are refering to NA engines. For FI, esp turbo ones, alot more potential can be gained from after mkt products
And this applies not to just BMWs, but other high performance luxury conti cars like 911 Turbo, Merc AMG SuperCharged to name a few, all of which can make an easy +75bhp w/o changing any hardwares.
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Cheaper? Not necessary. There are people who spent $50K on their Evos and Rexes. Omar is spending a small portion to extract more performance. Procede is only $2300. Good yield. Handling mods and coilovers are general enhancement to chassis.caySman said:
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Re: N54 Turbos Ripped Apart
I'm quite surprised to find my Euro sti having taller 6th gear than my QP. I've easily brought the QP up to ~290kmh with ample revs to go, so you'd think these gran turismos are geared for good top end speed. But a comparison of my sti at 80kmh- 1700rpm, and QP 80kmh- 2300rpm, suggests that with gearing as my constraint (and not power and drag), the stock sti will reach a higher top speed at similar redline of 7500rpm.
Now having sampled stock vs hugely modded BMWs, stock vs lightly modded Jap turbo, Big cc euro bi-turbo GTs, Big cc NA GTs, I'd say while you can get the easiest, and safest bhp from jap turbos, the lure of a conti car with all it's refinement is what I'll eventually go for. (hint: i'm selling my sti) even though it's more difficult to mod a BMW for sure, and the $/bhp ratio is sad.
I'm quite surprised to find my Euro sti having taller 6th gear than my QP. I've easily brought the QP up to ~290kmh with ample revs to go, so you'd think these gran turismos are geared for good top end speed. But a comparison of my sti at 80kmh- 1700rpm, and QP 80kmh- 2300rpm, suggests that with gearing as my constraint (and not power and drag), the stock sti will reach a higher top speed at similar redline of 7500rpm.
Now having sampled stock vs hugely modded BMWs, stock vs lightly modded Jap turbo, Big cc euro bi-turbo GTs, Big cc NA GTs, I'd say while you can get the easiest, and safest bhp from jap turbos, the lure of a conti car with all it's refinement is what I'll eventually go for. (hint: i'm selling my sti) even though it's more difficult to mod a BMW for sure, and the $/bhp ratio is sad.
centurion
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I know lar! I never criticize mah! Just that wanna give him the suggestion that... well, he got a damn nice car, he may want to appreciate the fine german engineering for once instead of going for more and more and more mods until he lost the touch of the original engineers .... Because this is non reversible. We've all modded before sometime or other in our lives and spent up to like 30-50K on JUST mods, not to mention the repairs and fixes.hetraa;234884 said:
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There's a certain truth to what caySman says, you know.
the advice I'll give in this light is, when you are starting to begin modding your car, even before the first bit goes in, have a very very clear mod list and the essential reasons why you want them in your car, before proceeding.
money is hard to earn, and in this way you will be very sure of your expenses/gains, and try not to be a pioneer/experimenter, coz thats the single easiest way to drain all your money away nonsensically. You might as well go buy some CDOs. Experiments should be undertaken by workshops on their test cars so they may gain knowledge from it, and perhaps be a first-mover in terms of that mod should it be successful. Private car owners who do that (like me) learn things the expensive way.
There's a certain truth to what caySman says, you know.
the advice I'll give in this light is, when you are starting to begin modding your car, even before the first bit goes in, have a very very clear mod list and the essential reasons why you want them in your car, before proceeding.
money is hard to earn, and in this way you will be very sure of your expenses/gains, and try not to be a pioneer/experimenter, coz thats the single easiest way to drain all your money away nonsensically. You might as well go buy some CDOs. Experiments should be undertaken by workshops on their test cars so they may gain knowledge from it, and perhaps be a first-mover in terms of that mod should it be successful. Private car owners who do that (like me) learn things the expensive way.
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HAve u seen rexes and evos with 70k mods worth under their hood. I personally know some of them. Sure i respect Germans and what they are doing but they are just too good at doing it with respect to marketing. They purposely cripple the power of the cars to fit into a certain market segment unlike the japanese that adopt the kamikaze style. Thats the reason why such cars albeit cheaper command more interest and after market tuner parts. Same thing with the cayman. The proportionate difference between the Cayman and the 911 is the proportionate difference between the HP as well! Coincidence? I dont think so. So that is the part i am addressing. This car has alot of untapped potential. If the turbos are rated to 0.8 bar, and BWM is only setting it to 0.6, isnt it part of the threshold for you to bump up safely? As long as u know the threshold of ur car and hardware, I think u can be cleverer than a german engineer whose paid to just set the car to BMWs specifications and EuroIV emission standards. In Singapore Context of course.
Lol..I am looking it from a optimistic point of view. Oh u are dead wrong. I am appreciating my car day by day. I even smelled the exhaust 2 days back after a nice run. Exhaust Fetish it seems. I structure my mods constructively to practicaility and gains including handling and comfort.
My mods are all reversible. Even my piggyback can be removed and reverted to bone stock. The car is smart enuff to readapt and adjust. After past an age of abt 30 odd, u may be right but now its the way i want my car to be and i have a certain set of principles right or wrong that is in me to see how my car ends up. And even good advise cant change my mind. We learn everything through the hard way so if i have to learn, its thru the hard way only. Once bitten, twice shy. To the extent that is.
caySman;234878 said:
HAve u seen rexes and evos with 70k mods worth under their hood. I personally know some of them. Sure i respect Germans and what they are doing but they are just too good at doing it with respect to marketing. They purposely cripple the power of the cars to fit into a certain market segment unlike the japanese that adopt the kamikaze style. Thats the reason why such cars albeit cheaper command more interest and after market tuner parts. Same thing with the cayman. The proportionate difference between the Cayman and the 911 is the proportionate difference between the HP as well! Coincidence? I dont think so. So that is the part i am addressing. This car has alot of untapped potential. If the turbos are rated to 0.8 bar, and BWM is only setting it to 0.6, isnt it part of the threshold for you to bump up safely? As long as u know the threshold of ur car and hardware, I think u can be cleverer than a german engineer whose paid to just set the car to BMWs specifications and EuroIV emission standards. In Singapore Context of course.
caySman;234881 said:
Lol..I am looking it from a optimistic point of view. Oh u are dead wrong. I am appreciating my car day by day. I even smelled the exhaust 2 days back after a nice run. Exhaust Fetish it seems. I structure my mods constructively to practicaility and gains including handling and comfort.
My mods are all reversible. Even my piggyback can be removed and reverted to bone stock. The car is smart enuff to readapt and adjust. After past an age of abt 30 odd, u may be right but now its the way i want my car to be and i have a certain set of principles right or wrong that is in me to see how my car ends up. And even good advise cant change my mind. We learn everything through the hard way so if i have to learn, its thru the hard way only. Once bitten, twice shy. To the extent that is.
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Spot on. Poor $/bhp ratio - for NA models. It looks like the same ratio for FI version is much higher, hence the scepticism from many.Racebred said:
The Procede is a piggyback, not a flash. It is reversible.caySman said:
You actually think he can "loon?"Azrielsc said:I thought hairy boy (Omar) is NOT getting ARBs, Kenn? That blardy modder!
