N54 Turbos Ripped Apart

[satinGHOST|r!der]

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I thought hairy boy (Omar) is NOT getting ARBs, Kenn? That blardy modder!

Power is nothing without handling. I just waxed my chest. MW loves it. Rodders pardon me?pardon me?pardon me??

 

[cheangv]

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As I'm only getting the car next year, I'm greatly indebted to the pioneers who have to learn by trial and error on what works which others like me can then benefit from

Not saying that I will be modding my car. Will want to enjoy the stock car for a while first but power is never enough . Been down that route before and it is a bottomless pit if you want to go the extreme. There will be some mods that will be worth it and some not so. Procede sounds like one but probably needs some more time for it to mature.

 

[centurion]

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Reversibility - i know that the procede is just a piggyback. When I say irreversible, it's like this.

A whore can sew back the hymen but yet her mind already knows how a dick feels in her vagina, so she can never be a true virgin again.

The complexity of a car is such that, once you upset the balance, you can never go back.

 

[Ahbengdriver]

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Reversibility - i know that the procede is just a piggyback. When I say irreversible, it's like this.

A whore can sew back the hymen but yet her mind already knows how a dick feels in her vagina, so she can never be a true virgin again.

The complexity of a car is such that, once you upset the balance, you can never go back.

We talking turbos here mate, not whores, nor dicks, vaginas, hymen.

ABD CaySman

 

[Ahbengdriver]

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As I'm only getting the car next year, I'm greatly indebted to the pioneers who have to learn by trial and error on what works which others like me can then benefit from

Not saying that I will be modding my car. Will want to enjoy the stock car for a while first but power is never enough . Been down that route before and it is a bottomless pit if you want to go the extreme. There will be some mods that will be worth it and some not so. Procede sounds like one but probably needs some more time for it to mature.

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[TheNew7]

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Nevermind la... If Mr. 335 is bored of his car cause no more mods and doesn't look like a BMW anymore, I'm sure to be willing to take it off his hands.... at a low low price as the car has become sooo soooo 'boring'...

Omar, remember me hor.....

 

[centurion]

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We talking turbos here mate, not whores, nor dicks, vaginas, hymen.

ABD CaySman

the real question is, am I more Ah Beng than you?

 

[eddie]

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wow, awesome stuff.... terror terror... tapik tapik

 

[yendor]

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For FI cars that run low pressures, the main aim of the engineers is to obtain the torque of a larger displacement engine and not outright BHP. So in the case of the VAG 1.8T 2.0T, Volvo 2.3T and BMW N52, getting that 20-30% more is really quite easy and cheap.

Why? well to get the lazy big CC type of driveability, the engineers use a small turbo to achieve meaningful spool rates at 2000rpm or so. This setup peaks at 3.5-4.5k rpm which is not able to translate to high RPM figures. To make this peak not so "visible" the excess boost pressures are limited and you are left with the classical tabletop flat torque curve that you see. What is missing is the curve that extends above the table top. Tuners take advantage of this and unleashes the boost pressures and supplies the accompanying fuel.

Thus the engine becomes limited to the mechanical limits of the setup. If you measure the performance of a chipped/piggybacked car to the stock stuff, there is no losses accompanying the gains. The only down side is consumption and possibly mechanical wear. But interestingly enough, an unleashed car that is properly tuned actually consumes less fuel provided you drive the same way.

You cannot get away from the "laws of driving"
1. Power Corrupts
2. Power comes from burning fuel

335 rocks.......

 

[Ahbengdriver]

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the real question is, am I more Ah Beng than you?

Of cos I am more Ah Beng lah, everyone knows one. I eat with my foot on the chair at hawker stalls, drives with my window wound down n ciggy between by fingers, etc...

And you are......????? :nehnehhh:

ABD :nutkick: CaySman

 

[TheNew7]

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Not forgetting that all manufacturers are bound by other factors such as NCAP and emission laws. If the engine burns too lean, then more CO is produced, if the engine burns too rich, then, well, the big oil companies are happier... This is what I heard from the DMS guys... so basically what they do, cause they don't have to comply with these laws, is that they tune the car so it burns more 'optimumly'.

For FI cars that run low pressures, the main aim of the engineers is to obtain the torque of a larger displacement engine and not outright BHP. So in the case of the VAG 1.8T 2.0T, Volvo 2.3T and BMW N52, getting that 20-30% more is really quite easy and cheap.

Why? well to get the lazy big CC type of driveability, the engineers use a small turbo to achieve meaningful spool rates at 2000rpm or so. This setup peaks at 3.5-4.5k rpm which is not able to translate to high RPM figures. To make this peak not so "visible" the excess boost pressures are limited and you are left with the classical tabletop flat torque curve that you see. What is missing is the curve that extends above the table top. Tuners take advantage of this and unleashes the boost pressures and supplies the accompanying fuel.

Thus the engine becomes limited to the mechanical limits of the setup. If you measure the performance of a chipped/piggybacked car to the stock stuff, there is no losses accompanying the gains. The only down side is consumption and possibly mechanical wear. But interestingly enough, an unleashed car that is properly tuned actually consumes less fuel provided you drive the same way.

You cannot get away from the "laws of driving"
1. Power Corrupts
2. Power comes from burning fuel

335 rocks.......

 

[AC Schnitzer]

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Definitely if you go with really aggressive mods. For 1 thing, the car is lighter and there is alot more things u can touch as opposed to the 335. It also depends, most evos and rexes have short gearing, so even with more power than a 335i, the 335 will quickly catch up once they run out of breath. It all depends on how these guys have tuned the cars but generally the 335 should be abt as fast as some done up evos and rexes. Those with Motec ECUs , u can forget abt playing with them unless u wanna look like an idiot.

With Intake, ECU, Exhaust, I wouldn't put my money on the beemer. You can extract plenty of power from the EJ20T and 4G63 even with ECU and exhaust mod.

With regards to ECU, Motec isn't a magical potion. A person can spend $5k on Motec ECU and if it was tuned by a shit tuner, it'll be even slower than stock. Maybe blow the engine. :laughlik:

To summarise, the ECU is only as good as the tuner.

I wouldn't dare upgrade the turbo because you'll definitely need aftermarket ECU to control the fueling, ignition timing etc etc. That apart you also got to make sure you have all supporting mods such sa fuel pump, injectors etc if it isn't sufficient. 1 Mod always lead to another.

I'll say the 335 stock is at its best. As with all cars, once you deflower it, you'll be bugged with plenty of issues. I've had my fair share and it can affect you to certain extend.

Just waiting for my friend to receive his and have a run at the Quarter mile track to determine the potential.

As for me, I would prefer to start from suspension and braking as I see that the 335 has enough power.

 

[Terry]

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be stock like me...16 inch rims... everything stock...except 2 charcoals in my interior...

swee swee...

 

[Shaun]

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What’s funny is that before easy power was made in BMWs via FI, the BMW crowd always preached chassis/suspension/refinement/style superiority. Once the power option was made available with the 335, you have a whole bunch of people going power crazy just like the Japanese enthusiasts they once criticized. Not just going power nuts either, but becoming overtly antagonistic. It really reveals that their psychology has always been as suspected, and as denied.

 

[x3mblack]

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What’s funny is that before easy power was made in BMWs via FI, the BMW crowd always preached chassis/suspension/refinement/style superiority. Once the power option was made available with the 335, you have a whole bunch of people going power crazy just like the Japanese enthusiasts they once criticized. Not just going power nuts either, but becoming overtly antagonistic. It really reveals that their psychology has always been as suspected, and as denied.

Well said!

 

[centurion]

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To speak in favour of elmariachi, I've known him for some time, and he was always power crazy. He never did preach in private the chassis superiority of BMWs (the 50-50 thing was just a buzzword he had when sparring with my colleague) and probably stems from a lack of experience.

But I think in the last few years, he got so many rides in exotics (lambos etc courtesy of his extremely rich friends) and value for money cars like Elises and Porsches, courtesy of some of his far poorer friends, that he has a real world perspective today about BMWs.

For example, you'd not catch him dead repeating the term that even BMW is embarassed to use nowadays - the Ultimate Driving Machine.

Truly, Elma has become so crazy technical nowadays that chicks will go away from his banter, only the true geekoids will listen with eyes misting over.

But the lust for power thing, Elma is just performing true to form, in his lust for power.

Now, what you have said, Shaun, that this lust for power thing is proof of the psychology of a poseur, is also true, just not for Elma I guess. But in the forum postings, especially US forums, yes, I can see the hypocrites among them all.

Just watch for the new turbos on the M5 and M7.

Oh by the way, the new GTR has integrated turbo hoses. And the turbo impeller is inside the block!!! LOL no more easy bolt-on turbo upgrades!

 

[Shaun]

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That's nice of you Caysman, but I was speaking in general terms, and not specifically about Elma. Like you said, hypocrisy is widespread. Chasing after power is fine as long as people don't go back on what they previously preached about chassis, how jap ricers only appreciate crude cars, etc. If they never talked about those things to begin with, then even better.

 

[centurion]

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That's nice of you Caysman, but I was speaking in general terms, and not specifically about Elma. Like you said, hypocrisy is widespread. Chasing after power is fine as long as people don't go back on what they previously preached about chassis, how jap ricers only appreciate crude cars, etc. If they never talked about those things to begin with, then even better.

LOL! Now, just wait for those http://www.early911sregistry.com people with rear engined Porsches walk the talk once they noticed that their rear engined machines get beaten by the R8 V10 and the lowly Cayman 3.6 (IF that's coming out).

If you want hipocrisy, I think some people in the early911sregistry will SURELY take the cake.