No Smoke Without Fire ?

[jasonmaxima]

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Hollwood mission impossible beauties, james bond type beauties, bourne identity beauties, ocean 13 type beauties, angelia jolie 'salt' all stand one side.....there is a new breed of counterintelligence spies that are invading our country.....

Singapore is doomed.... All it takes is aunty / milf types, married / divorces.... Preferably with kids to infiltrate the ranks of our political party leaders.....

As evidenced by wp yaw, chief of cid, scdf...etc..... Hehe....

Pls thank me for my quality post.

 

[Racebred]

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'And even if you're accurate now, something may happen later on and we have to revise our assessment,' he said at a press conference after nominations closed on Wednesday.

Was he speaking up for Low with this statement??

After coming out to kick Yaw when he's down like they did, it becomes very difficult for them to come out with any credible statement w.r.t. steve tan.

Didnt they calculate that people are going to bring up the steve tan episode.

in my opinion from a strategic standpoint, they could have adopted a neutral stance attitude, earn some nice-guy brownie points from those on the fence, and rely on the current wave of Yaw condemners to spread the ill feeling towards WP. Come in and fight Hougang in a "we're here to help clean up the mess" position.

Instead, when you become aggressive, kick Yaw when he's down, and approach Hougang by election with guns blazing, then you are entering an aggressor-underdog scenario again, which is what made PAP lose votes in the first place because human instincts will guide them to naturally support underdogs, or small parties that seemed to be bullied by a suppressor.

Since they have only one ward to fight now, PAP has the leeway to experiment with a new stance and see if it works. they have nothing much to lose. It's not as if you are trying a new approach for the entire GE and all the seats.

Bad move, i says.

 

[wobbles]

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Was he speaking up for Low with this statement??

After coming out to kick Yaw when he's down like they did, it becomes very difficult for them to come out with any credible statement w.r.t. steve tan.

Didnt they calculate that people are going to bring up the steve tan episode.

in my opinion from a strategic standpoint, they could have adopted a neutral stance attitude, earn some nice-guy brownie points from those on the fence, and rely on the current wave of Yaw condemners to spread the ill feeling towards WP. Come in and fight Hougang in a "we're here to help clean up the mess" position.

Instead, when you become aggressive, kick Yaw when he's down, and approach Hougang by election with guns blazing, then you are entering an aggressor-underdog scenario again, which is what made PAP lose votes in the first place because human instincts will guide them to naturally support underdogs, or small parties that seemed to be bullied by a suppressor.

Since they have only one ward to fight now, PAP has the leeway to experiment with a new stance and see if it works. they have nothing much to lose. It's not as if you are trying a new approach for the entire GE and all the seats.

Bad move, i says.

Bro, I think PM's statement was made during the last General Election held in May 2011. But then, as you can see, his press statement has come back to bite him in the behind in a bad way. Makes him look really double standard, and not the impartial leader of the whole nation.

Partisan politics makes the PM looks really small & cheap.

 

[powersteer]

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source: PM Lee defends PAP involvement in PA - Yahoo!

PM Lee defends PAP involvement in PA

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Saturday that the People's Association's (PA) grassroots organisations, as part of the government, require "somebody who is working on behalf of the government".

He was defending the practice of appointing members of the ruling People's Action Party as advisers of the statutory board's some 1,800 grassroots organisations.

"It's like having a Ministry of Education. The civil servants are impartial, are neutral, but the minister is a government minister. Or the Minister for Health, or, for that matter, the CDC mayor -- he is a government person," he said.

"And so, the grassroots adviser has to be somebody who can work with the government and help the government to achieve its goals on the ground. I think that's necessary," he was quoted by The Straits Times as saying.

Lee, on the sidelines of a ceremony to appoint district councillors under the Central Singapore CDC, was responding to media queries about the recent spat between PA and Members of Parliament (MP) from the Workers' Party over use of public sites in Hougang single member constituency and Aljunied group representation constituency (GRC).

The matter sparked public debate as to whether the PAP government should appoint its candidates as PA grassroots adverse in all constituencies, even the ones that they lost in elections.

The PA has also sent two letters to the media, stating that "it is not possible" to appoint opposition MPs as advisers, because it cannot ask opposition MPs to help the government connect better with the people, or be able to help explain, implement and improve its policies.

"I cleared those letters so I think that is the position," said Lee.

The Prime Minister, who is also MP for Ang Mo Kio GRC, emphasised that PA's work is non-political. Grassroots advisers administer government programs such as ComCare as well as "some things which are not always nice", such as the carrying out of public works wherein residents will be affected.

"Then it falls to the grassroots to be the interface, to work with the people to try and help to minimise the impact but at the same time, ultimately, what has to be done has to be done," he said.

"So these are really government functions."

He added that the MP's role is a different one -- running the town council. The government would involve him on issues such as bursary payouts and town council rebates.

"So between the MP and the adviser, if they are different people, then residents will be properly served. I think it has to work like that," he said.

 

[powersteer]

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Source: Q&A with PM Lee at NUS forum Part 1

Q&A with PM Lee at NUS forum

PM Lee: between the people who voted and supported the programme and the government, and the people who didn't, I think if we went and put yours before the PAP constituencies, it would be an injustice.

 

[kenntona]

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source: PM Lee defends PAP involvement in PA - Yahoo!
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Saturday that the People's Association's (PA) grassroots organisations, as part of the government, require "somebody who is working on behalf of the government".

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"And so, the grassroots adviser has to be somebody who can work with the government and help the government to achieve its goals on the ground. I think that's necessary," he was quoted by The Straits Times as saying.

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The PA has also sent two letters to the media, stating that "it is not possible" to appoint opposition MPs as advisers, because it cannot ask opposition MPs to help the government connect better with the people, or be able to help explain, implement and improve its policies.

Crystal clear that the chief mandate of these grassroots - NOT working for the people......

 

[wt_know]

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and one thing that i don't quite get it also when a person lost in the election can become "grassroots advisor" like the demond choo guy in hougang
so he advise what to do for hougang?

 

[powersteer]

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Thats fine if Nicole Seah becomes the grassroot advisor for MP GRC ... and hence, every other losers

 

[powersteer]

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Crystal clear that the chief mandate of these grassroots - NOT working for the people......

who pays for the running of the grassroots?

 

[powersteer]

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In my opinion, ALL political parties are like that - it's all about keeping oneself in power, and making the other guys look bad. ALL political parties, no exceptions. What is really distasteful is the hypocrisy that somehow, the only 'clean' party in Singapore is the PAP.

That's horseshit. And downright insulting to insinuate that any other Singaporean that shares a different ideal/viewpoint/aim/hope for Singapore is somehow corrupt & dirty.

FYI Hougang & Aljunied sons serve NS too.

CSM:

I would like to quote a man who is not able to join us here today. In a newspaper interview, former Minister for Foreign Affairs George Yeo related what a Roman Catholic cardinal told him about the late Pope John Paul the Second. The cardinal had drafted, “Even though we’re all different because we speak different languages, we are one”.

The Pope corrected him. “No, it is not even though we’re different, we are one. It is because we are different, we are one.” Mr Yeo then said, “I thought that was so profound and beautiful. In my first speech to the United Nations, I repeated that story because in the UN, it is also because we are different that we are one. To be a human being is to be different. The whole logic and driving force of biological life is diversification. An imposed unity is a false unity; it’s a contradiction in terms. To me, that is a core position, and Singapore is an expression of that core position.”

 

[Shaun]

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Kelvin stop your politic-ing and get those covers in ASAP! And the radiator mount! Setup sheets! Logbooks! Sensors!

 

[DrK]

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Crystal clear that the chief mandate of these grassroots - NOT working for the people......

Not forgetting the prevalence of many ball-carriers there as well.

 

[wobbles]

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Not forgetting the prevalence of many ball-carriers there as well.

Tripod-ers, sedan chair bearers, affirmative male human automatons (aka yes men), brain-stem pencil pushers (aka civil servants that worship their ministers blindly)... The list goes on bro

 

[zorro]

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Latest and expected ; Yaw Shin Leong not appealing against the verdict....The tougher issue now lies with his relationship with his wife...

 

[wobbles]

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Sigh. Man who can keep dick in pants, can keep job in hand. Confucious say one.

 

[zorro]

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Blame it on the fairer sex....the cause of men's downfall..........Hitmee or izzit MW say one...

 

[Dinosaur hunter]

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Like that also can ah?

source: PM Lee defends PAP involvement in PA - Yahoo!

PM Lee defends PAP involvement in PA

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Saturday that the People's Association's (PA) grassroots organisations, as part of the government, require "somebody who is working on behalf of the government".

He was defending the practice of appointing members of the ruling People's Action Party as advisers of the statutory board's some 1,800 grassroots organisations.

"It's like having a Ministry of Education. The civil servants are impartial, are neutral, but the minister is a government minister. Or the Minister for Health, or, for that matter, the CDC mayor -- he is a government person," he said.

"And so, the grassroots adviser has to be somebody who can work with the government and help the government to achieve its goals on the ground. I think that's necessary," he was quoted by The Straits Times as saying.

Lee, on the sidelines of a ceremony to appoint district councillors under the Central Singapore CDC, was responding to media queries about the recent spat between PA and Members of Parliament (MP) from the Workers' Party over use of public sites in Hougang single member constituency and Aljunied group representation constituency (GRC).

The matter sparked public debate as to whether the PAP government should appoint its candidates as PA grassroots adverse in all constituencies, even the ones that they lost in elections.

The PA has also sent two letters to the media, stating that "it is not possible" to appoint opposition MPs as advisers, because it cannot ask opposition MPs to help the government connect better with the people, or be able to help explain, implement and improve its policies.

"I cleared those letters so I think that is the position," said Lee.

The Prime Minister, who is also MP for Ang Mo Kio GRC, emphasised that PA's work is non-political. Grassroots advisers administer government programs such as ComCare as well as "some things which are not always nice", such as the carrying out of public works wherein residents will be affected.

"Then it falls to the grassroots to be the interface, to work with the people to try and help to minimise the impact but at the same time, ultimately, what has to be done has to be done," he said.

"So these are really government functions."

He added that the MP's role is a different one -- running the town council. The government would involve him on issues such as bursary payouts and town council rebates.

"So between the MP and the adviser, if they are different people, then residents will be properly served. I think it has to work like that," he said.

 

[wobbles]

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Ministers are from PAP. They form the government. They are advisers to grassroots organisations. How can they say they are not involved in PA?

Why can't they admit it? Why must flip prata and tell people it's a pizza? Tiu.....

Bro, because if ministers told the truth, would ANYONE here vote for them?

Simple example : if MND minister told you the truth about the actual cost of an HDB unit, and the obscene amount they are fleecing from us at their "market subsidized" selling price, would you want to vote for him?

 

[Dinosaur hunter]

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Sigh. Man who can keep dick in pants, can keep job in hand. Confucious say one.

Many men choose to believe in "a key that can open many lock is a masterkey".

 

[wobbles]

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Many men choose to believe in "a key that can open many lock is a masterkey".

Yet another saying it's not the size of the key, but the skill of the locksmith... Kenntona said one