Seeking advise on SMG.

MysticBlue

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Hello guys,
I need some advise from experts regarding SMG. From what I heard, the first generations of SMG is really jerky when changing gears. Need to understand SMG better because thinking of changing car.
Any help? The car was made in 2003
Thanks
 
Re: Seeking advise on SMG.

MysticBlue;187480 said:
Hello guys,
I need some advise from experts regarding SMG. From what I heard, the first generations of SMG is really jerky when changing gears. Need to understand SMG better because thinking of changing car.
Any help? The car was made in 2003
Thanks
Not really jerky, but there is a slight lunge each time you shift, really..the best way is to experience it.

SMG requires you to be hands on all the time, the auto mode isn't good at all..but still acceptable if you're driving sedately.
 
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you have to get used to it to make it smooth. after driving it for a while, you'll eventually get the hang of it.

the art of throttle control while changing gears. ha ha make myself sound so pro but actually i'm not.
 
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Chances are those who tell u aren't driving one in the first place.

I drive one of the 03 production 5 speed SMG and it isn't that jerky at all. Of course if you r compaing it with auto, then it's definitely more jerky but get a hang of it, and u will know how to modulate it for a smooth change.

:)
 
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Recently, Maserati put an slushbox AUTO option for their Quattroporte for US$2K.

The reviewers said that it transformed the car into something great. (European Car latest issue). They compared to Ferrari (m.marelli robotized manual) and loved the slushbox. They lamented the lack of a good stickshift manual though.

Autos today, especially the ZF one, can shift so quick that automated robotic manuals become less justified. Not altogether defunct, but less wonderful. An experience in the new 335 Coupe made that absolutely clear for me. 0.1 seconds shift, is plenty fast - and WITHOUT THE JERKS AT ALL! What's more, BMW's treatment of the ZF auto - NO AUTOMATED UPSHIFT!!! - is just perfect for the slushbox, I did not feel that I desired anything more.

It has become like - Automated manual, slushbox auto, what's the difference?
In the past 6 months, the market has become like:

Manual vs Automatics (slush, robotic manual, DSG)
 
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piggyboyz;187857 said:
Chances are those who tell u aren't driving one in the first place.

I drive one of the 03 production 5 speed SMG and it isn't that jerky at all. Of course if you r compaing it with auto, then it's definitely more jerky but get a hang of it, and u will know how to modulate it for a smooth change.

:)

So a SMG on a car made in '03 probably will be a 5 speed SMG? If after i purchase the car, will I be able to mod it to a 2nd or newer generation one?
 
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The real jerkiness in SMG is not the shifting of the paddles but driving the car in AUTO mode which is a piece of garbage in my opinion.
 
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MysticBlue;187929 said:
So a SMG on a car made in '03 probably will be a 5 speed SMG? If after i purchase the car, will I be able to mod it to a 2nd or newer generation one?
Depends on the build i think. Mine is a 03' 6 speed, and i think while anything is possible with regards to a transmission transplant.

Dont think it's worth the moola to 1 up to a 6 speed.
 
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you know that I mean nothing personal to anybody. don't take it wrong. But I am going to criticize the entire regime of robotized manual today. As usual some of what I talk is coming from my ass so if anybody can correct me please do.

several years ago, when robotized manual was made availble to the mainstream via the Alfa 156 Selespeed, I was overjoyed. The shift was crap, but I thought better things may come.

In the meantime, Ferrari, Maser, Lambo, BMW already have robotized manual. BMW released their high pressure SMG2 with 10 shift modes manually selectable, and WOW it was fast but the shifts were still jerky if you did not LIFT your pedal. But still, shifts done within 0.15 seconds and it was faster than any slushbox around. I was still quite happy but less happy than the beginning.

Then DSG came out on the Audi TT and Golf GTI and I was overjoyed again. Then I tried the GTI the first time and was even happier. But after I tried second time, third time, fourth time, and also tried the TT2 DSG, I was trying so hard to drive smoothly but just CANNOT do it as smooth as I can with a manual or Auto. i was not happy, but not sad also.

The the 335i ZF slushbox made me revise all my opinions. The transmission feel like the torque converter is NOT a torque converter, or it is LOCKED all the time. Yet the shifts are seamless. The shift is 0.1 seconds without feeling that the trans is going to break. Wow! That's faster than the race mode on SMG2, and as fast as F1 car kind of speed. Like, WTF? Even better than the AMG Auto5, except that .... the AMG is better in gear selection in auto mode, but in manual mode, that is irrelevant.

So, now, to me, to hell with all the robotized manuals. I'm not even holding out for a good DSG. If I want a automated gearbox, it'll be the ZF. Yes, if the car doesn't have the ZF, I'll wait for it to have the ZF. ZF has perfected the auto trans, now all it has to do is weight reduction. If the people try before they buy, Magneti marelli is screwed IMHO, and Ferrari and Aston etc. will all jump ship to ZF soon. Even Maser has screwed them. SMG, SMG2 is obsolete.

And an entire chapter of robotized manuals, at least to me, comes to an end, especially good ending since I never found it very elegant to attach a high pressure robot to a transmission if you could save 200 pounds and use your hand on the gearstick.

All this is not to say that I want a auto car to drive with pleasure. That will still be a manual, as a manual stick gives me IMMEDIATE feedback which gear I'm in just by feeling the stick.

SMG owners don't be insulted. You've had your fun with SMG while it was not obsolete. Now I'm talking the future, from my limited perspective.

Phew, I wanted to write this for a long long time while it was bothering me, now it's a load off my chest.
 
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I guess have to test drive it to find out then.
 
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MysticBlue;187929 said:
So a SMG on a car made in '03 probably will be a 5 speed SMG? If after i purchase the car, will I be able to mod it to a 2nd or newer generation one?


Sorry for the late reply. Been out of touch here.

The 5 speed and 6 speed SMG GB is entire different thing. Changing the GB means a different wire harness, EGS and of course GB. The DME may be different as well and to cut it short, it's not worth. I have check it before and basically no one say they are confident of it.

Since u r still shopping, then it may be better to get a 6 speed one in the first place if u r really into a 6 speed. Like Ryan said, 03 is the transition year and car before 03/03 should be 5 speed and latter should be 6speed. Sad thing is that there is really not a lot of SMG sedan to start off, let alone the 6speed SMG.

Having driven both the 5 and 6 speed SMG, the latter is defintely smoother than the 5 but those who are driving the SMG may agree with me that there are really times where u really like the jerk while flippng the paddles when u punch the right pedal while the car leap forward. It's sensational :)
 
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caySman;188842 said:
So, now, to me, to hell with all the robotized manuals. I'm not even holding out for a good DSG. If I want a automated gearbox, it'll be the ZF. Yes, if the car doesn't have the ZF, I'll wait for it to have the ZF. ZF has perfected the auto trans, now all it has to do is weight reduction.
The automatic transmission on the 335i is fantastic indeed.. unlike the other auto boxes (with tq converters) of the same family. Unfortunately, it came out later and hopefully, it'll spread out over the other models..
 
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:nehnehhh: i love that jerking around or should i say kick in e pants feeling especially in sport mode. What Piggy has said is right. Mine is 03/03 and 5 speed but seriously i dun think makes much diff especially on track (drag longer !!) and its nice to drag a bit more !! but thats just me .... sometimes abusing my baby but she doesnt mind ..haha
 
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