Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

is freehold better than leasehold? is it worth it to pay 'premium' for freehold?
i recalled reading that even your property is freehold if government wants to reclaim that piece of land, they will just pay you based on the chief valuer evaluation and not that you can demand no $2M no sell .... there is no negotiation

is this report simply want to justify the sale of 99LH property? :D

Freehold better than leasehold?
Price gap may vanish in boom but will appear as property ages; experts say younger set more open to leasehold homes.

Wed, Jan 06, 2010
The Sunday Times
By Joyce Teo
Far East Organization is selling its latest project, The Shore Residences, on a 103-year lease even though it sits on freehold land as it wants to partake in the site's redevelopment potential.
Experts say the move means the developer cannot yet get the full value for the property. If The Shore Residences were sold as a freehold project, Far East would price it higher, they say.
Leasehold homes may have become more popular in recent years, but there is still a price gap between freehold and 99-year leasehold homes.
This gap may disappear during good times, but it will appear as the property ages.
Property experts reckon that freehold homes typically command a premium of about 10 per cent, or up to 15 per cent at times, over leasehold homes, assuming a like-for-like comparison.
In a prime location where freehold homes are plentiful, a lone leasehold property will usually fetch less than its freehold neighbours.
Because of the price difference, a leasehold condominium unit will fetch a higher yield than a freehold one. For those looking to invest in a rental property, it would make sense to go for a leasehold property.
Tenants do not care whether a property is freehold or leasehold, and during boom times, buyers can be equally indifferent.
'In a bull market, developers would be able to launch any project regardless of the tenure,' said Ngee Ann Polytechnic real estate lecturer Nicholas Mak.
'The price difference between an older freehold project and a newly launched leasehold project can be negligible on a per sq ft basis.'
The difference becomes apparent only later on.
'When times are good, there is marginal price differential between leasehold and freehold new launches,' said Colliers International's director of research and advisory, Ms Tay Huey Ying.
'But as the property ages and the lease shortens, the price gap will widen.'
Financing becomes tougher as the lease runs down and that affects prices, she said.
'Your freehold interest is for perpetuity versus an interest that diminishes with time,' she said.
Time, however, can be extended. There is life after 99 years as the Government is prepared to top up or renew the lease if there are redevelopment or upgrading plans, according to property experts.
The only problem is that it is not 100 per cent guaranteed, Ms Tay pointed out.
'There is still uncertainty as the Government may not top up the lease if it has other plans for the site,' she said.
In new prime areas where there is residential space such as Marina Bay and Sentosa Cove, buyers simply have no choice but to accept leasehold as the norm.
All the new residential developments there have 99-year leases, and some of them still managed to fetch eye-popping prices.
When the first condo project in Marina Bay - The Sail @ Marina Bay - was first released in late 2004 at $900 psf, some said it was crazy to pay so much for a 99-year leasehold condo.
But confirmed plans for an integrated resort in the area quickly erased any reservations associated with the tenure. Sub-sale deals of units at this condo later reached prices of more than $2,000 psf.
Singaporeans used to have a serious obsession with freehold homes, experts said.
But today, the younger generation is more receptive to leasehold properties as they tend to take a shorter-term view, said Ms Tay.
'They are more willing to pay a higher price for a leasehold property in a good location than a lower price for a freehold property that is located farther away,' she said.
Also, there are some people who are simply not bothered by a 99-year leasehold title, said Mr Mak.
Buyers from China, for instance, do not mind 99-year leasehold properties as they are used to shorter leases of 70 years back home, experts said.
 
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Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

Definately.....A FH should command 30% over a LH assuming they are identical (same location/size and land size) Far East is a smart ass....I rather buy a 99 leasehold from SLA than 103 Leasehold from Far-East because you can top up lease for land from SLA but not for 103yrs leasehold where Far-East is the land-lord...



wt_know;832624 said:
is freehold better than leasehold? is it worth it to pay 'premium' for freehold?
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

zorro;832625 said:
Definately.....A FH should command 30% over a LH assuming they are identical (same location/size and land size) Far East is a smart ass....I rather buy a 99 leasehold from SLA than 103 Leasehold from Far-East because you can top up lease for land from SLA but not for 103yrs leasehold where Far-East is the land-lord...

and how do u value the discount from a LH to a FH to be 30%?

mathematically speaking a LH shud be 50% to a FH. I need to dig out the formula. And thats assuming things r constant. constant population growth etc. BUT in real world it doesnt. I think the gap is coming way tighter than 30%...Fewer and fewer care about LH in a new project
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

that's my point.
assuming variables are similar ie: price $1.5M+, $1500+ psf, unit size 1000sqft+-, 2-bedder
would you get a 99LH or FH but being FH at that price means not near MRT, location probably not the best, old project/dated, etc
as pointed out, during boom time 99LH will command higher because location, location and location + new project/design + easy to offload?

totoseow;832640 said:
and how do u value the discount from a LH to a FH to be 30%?

mathematically speaking a LH shud be 50% to a FH. I need to dig out the formula. And thats assuming things r constant. constant population growth etc. BUT in real world it doesnt. I think the gap is coming way tighter than 30%...Fewer and fewer care about LH in a new project
 
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Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

buying property is emotional. it is hard to say if its justifiable especially if its a home. i dunno why sky habitat shud be 1600psf. when i wud pay rochester park/mt sinai/holland road for cheaper, albeit older apartments im talking about here.

there r investors who will trawl mkt data for the best locations relative value trades etc etc.....n then there is the herd. there r people who die die must stay in kovan residences or sky habitat or bishan, toa payoh for whatever reasons. schools/parents/zoo....i hv given up understanding why they wun move to holland for 1500.

i learnt a lot this year. u cant fight the herd. holland road or mt sinai means nothing for these people. so i hv stopped questioning relative value of housing prices from my perspective. I will just focus like the herd...on areas im comfy with.
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

Location is more important to me than FH/LH, other things being equal.

More so if you're buying for own use, cos (bad) traffic is something you'll have to deal with every day, twice a day.
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

From my observation & estimate only..not concrete formula la... Given a FH and LH at the same price and same location...Which you choose..No brainer... The real situation is many LH properties are nearer to MRT and command good rental yield return and most FH are in D9/D10/D14/D15/D16 are further from MRT...


totoseow;832640 said:
and how do u value the discount from a LH to a FH to be 30%?

mathematically speaking a LH shud be 50% to a FH. I need to dig out the formula. And thats assuming things r constant. constant population growth etc. BUT in real world it doesnt. I think the gap is coming way tighter than 30%...Fewer and fewer care about LH in a new project
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

zorro;832831 said:
most FH are in D9/D10/D14/D15/D16 are further from MRT...

there r lots within 5-8mins walk of mrt, but premium prices, suites@central, one devonshire, one oxley rise, metz, thomson euro, newton one, legend, equatorial etc
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

Of course FH near MRT will surely have high psf..a lot at D9 2200 psf onwards for new development...

golfgti;832838 said:
there r lots within 5-8mins walk of mrt, but premium prices, suites@central, one devonshire, one oxley rise, metz, thomson euro, newton one, legend, equatorial etc
 
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Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

for fool proof investment if can.....buy FH landed property ,any location will do.
apartment for self stay or short term hold only.

in future, foreigners may be allowed to buy landed property,if that happens, overnight your landed property doubles in value.
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

If they dont want to loose more GRCs they will not allow foreigners to buy landed properties. Even without foreigners buying landed, the supply of FH landed properties is dropping because many has been en-bloc and used to built mickey mouse apt. Recently there is new ruling to prevent this especially in Telok Kurau..

Thats why Gov also forbid Foreigners from buying Cluster Housing now......
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

In my humble (unlearned, lay man) opinion, the first market to open up ("landed") will be townhouses & cluster houses ... that's where the next smart bet will be.

"Real" landed houses will take a long long time because of political sensitivity, in order for foreigners to be eligible.
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

zorro;832863 said:
If they dont want to loose more GRCs they will not allow foreigners to buy landed properties. Even without foreigners buying landed, the supply of FH landed properties is dropping because many has been en-bloc and used to built mickey mouse apt. Recently there is new ruling to prevent this especially in Telok Kurau..

Thats why Gov also forbid Foreigners from buying Cluster Housing now......

government can limit land size to 10,000 for landed property to foreigners, currently they limit 15,000 sq ft for approved PR buyers.
 
Re: Your property market opinion... sell or hold?

wobbles;832894 said:
In my humble (unlearned, lay man) opinion, the first market to open up ("landed") will be townhouses & cluster houses ... that's where the next smart bet will be.

"Real" landed houses will take a long long time because of political sensitivity, in order for foreigners to be eligible.

LKY said open casinos over his dead body, now got 2 and still alive.
you never know what the government will do next.
all we citizens can do is to prepare for any eventuality( both foreign and domestic )
 

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