Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!
harold996tt;643539 said:
Yes I was told this too. Point is, for the money there is no better car. If one were to invest the same cash into a GTR that they do into a Lambo or Ferrari or M3 GTS I am placing my bets that the GTR would annihilate those cars over 10 laps.... easily.
Hi mate, problem is, no one every makes comparisons on the same basis. There is power for power, tire for tire, cost for cost, weight for weight, model for model, running costs etc. Then in terms of metric there is single lap, 5 laps, 10 laps, 12 hours, 24 hours, one tank, 100 litres fuel, 200 litres fuel, 1 set of tires limit, 3 sets, 10 sets, etc. It all never ends.
One can easily say that a Lotus Exige with an aluminium V8 and proper cooling costing only X and weighing only Y would be king for 24 hours, 4 sets tire limit, and minimal running cost after initial cost (which is still relatively very low), and it probably would be true. But in the end, I think most are only interested in what is done, not what can be done, or what has been done only a couple of times (rarely done).
Lastly, slicks are not immune to overheating and wearing out. It is very difficult to have slicks that offer high mu, yet resist wear under high loads at relatively bad alignment due to roadcar suspension compromises. No magic bullet tires unfortunately.
Yes I will at the MB trackday with Lung. Keith and I are friends, and I know you guys are too, but to be factual, for all the good stuff I have heard from him about GTR performance on track, there is very little evidence of it, in fact zero. This, despite that I know he has the ability to capture it because I supply him the systems to. I know his guys know how to use it, and have offered assistance if the capture is critical - like a targetted, 22, 23 etc.. This is not to say that those good laps never happened. It just reduces greatly the possibility that they really did.
It's like Usain Bolt at the Olympics. He's there, officially being timed, there are checks for cheating, and the world is watching. It is possible that there is some other fastest man in the world, who is much faster, but just too humble, doesn't want to give his secrets away, etc. And people can talk about this mysterious fellow and his super speed, but odds are he just doesn't exist, and even if he did, people shouldn't really care because it's never been proven. Usain Bolt and all his competitors at the Olympics would and should laugh at the mention of this group that likes to make claims from the shadows while never coming out and actually doing it. It makes a joke of Usain and the other open and honest runners, and makes a joke of the Olympics and all other competitions internationally.
There is word of these mysterious godly cars and drivers in every car club, from every marque, every trackday, today, and in history. The thousands of godly mystery cars and drivers can do whatever they want in whatever secret shadow world they live in. I prefer to just deal with real times, real drivers and cars, not folk lore.
When Nissan ran the GTR at Nring and set that time that people found difficult to believe, they were sure to run a camera and a logger or two. They didn't say, "oh we did this time, but we have another time that is 15 seconds quicker set two months ago, just that we forgot or couldn't afford a 200 dollar plug and play logger." No sane person / company does that.
In the enthusiast realm, it is easy to borrow a logger for absolutely free, especially when trying to get a good time down on record and the situation looks promising. Like I have mentioned before, there are 20 brands of cheap loggers internationally, at least 3 brands in Singapore, and over 80 enthusiasts who own them. It is easy to buy one or get free use of one. Just a matter of whether a driver wants to or not.
No offense to anyone ok.. cheers
What was the 8 lap average and the median laptime?
