6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

Similar vein, please don't label those who don't subscribe whole-heartedly, soul, spirit and body to PAP's propaganda, and those who don't respond to the carrot of lift upgrading and MUP programs as traitors.

We are all patriots, and we all want what is best for the country - as our fates are inextricably entwined with that of the land. We just have different viewpoints on what's the best way to get there.
 
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wobbles;957489 said:
Similar vein, please don't label those who don't subscribe whole-heartedly, soul, spirit and body to PAP's propaganda, and those who don't respond to the carrot of lift upgrading and MUP programs as traitors.

We are all patriots, and we all want what is best for the country - as our fates are inextricably entwined with that of the land. We just have different viewpoints on what's the best way to get there.

I despise whoever uses MUP programs as carrot. I wonder what they mean by "One People One Nation" when citizens are divided or should I say those who do not "repent" are penalized.
 
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In order to be new citizen,
answer why tissues are placed on chairs/tables at food centre:
a)these are free tissues
b)reserved seats
c)pranks by reality TV show
d)somebody forgetfully left them behind

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actually we are having over-crowding situation already, even in hosipital...maybe could be some
smart nurses who reserved using stets
 
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Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

My goodness... how unhygienic is that!?! Leaving the stethoscopes on the table!
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

ozipo;957841 said:
In order to be new citizen,
answer why tissues are placed on chairs/tables at food centre:
a)these are free tissues
b)reserved seats
c)pranks by reality TV show
d)somebody forgetfully left them behind

I'm always amazed that FTs, PRs & Citizens alike, respect and practice the reservation of seats with tissue paper.
 
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wobbles;957845 said:
My goodness... how unhygienic is that!?! Leaving the stethoscopes on the table!

IDEA.... jonleeck... pls take note... 'where to get free stethoscope'; now you just have to go cope a medical robe and walk around the corridors of hospital to look sart!!!! oh oh... plus you get to double park your F10 right in front.
 
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wobbles;957845 said:
My goodness... how unhygienic is that!?! Leaving the stethoscopes on the table!

ha ha ha.. you meant the stets contaminate the table or the other way around.

wonder they disinfect their stets after hearing so many breasts or chest (hairy ones)..
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

Sorry, after almost 40 pages, what is anyone's alternative proposal(s) to the White Paper?
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

kenntona;957471 said:
According to conspiracy theorists:

(1) Change blood theory - new citizens are akin to blood infusion. Old cells leave, new cells enter. Subscribed to the friendly votes theory.

(2) GDP theory - fastest way to increase nominal per capita GDP is via population growth. Conspiracy theorists also remind of how part of ministers' pay are pegged to GDP.

(3) CPF theory - if you are facing a huge greying population and a possible massive CPF withdrawal, the only way to plug such a run is a massive injection.

However, the protest is not exactly a noble exercise. I quote Adrianna Tan's Facebook wall post.....

Adrianna Tan
I was told today that I lacked moral courage for not going to the protest; that I was merely a keyboard warrior. I was also told 'see? no racist or xenophobic speeches!'

Hmm, let's see...

1. I have volunteered for years with the opposition and I have been on the frontline of elections. What have you done for your country except to happily throw it into the dustbin of nativist trope?

2. The political figures and figures on the political periphery (cannot confuse the two as there were too many political also-rans and wannabes best kept out of Parliament) involved should know what associating with Gilbert Goh means. I am especially heartbroken because some of these figures also purport to be the only party to stand for 'human rights'; the other because it was inaccurately portrayed to be THE xenophobic party due to the unfortunate former membership and candidacy of said event organizer.

3. There has been a lot of moral relativism around today's protest. There should be none. Someone said Gilbert's stance is a lesser boo boo than the PAP's bigger boo boos.

Or something similarly puerile to that effect.

The only boo boo there is is that there should be any moral relativism at all. The racial profiling of the foreigners among us is vile and must be condemned unequivocally. There is no intellectual or high brow anything to this. It is basic human dignity.

Associating with someone like Gilbert Goh, a mere demagogue and an opportunistic one at that, merely cheapens the cause you and I both care very much for: how we can find an alternative to the White Paper which we believe will spell disaster for Singapore.

4. Some of you attended and said you needed to be there to (1) express your disagreement against the White Paper (2) shout down the xenophobes. It is regretful we have an impaired democracy in which a citizen finds he or she cannot sufficiently be heard except by gathering in one sanctioned park. It is even more regretful this democracy is so impaired that bright men and women consider the right to assembly and to be heard more valuable than the demagoguery involved.

5. My allegiance to The Cause has been questioned because I refuse to toe the 'us vs them' line of reasoning. I am old enough to remember the extreme political repression of the generation before us, but not old enough or idealistic enough to buy into the 'anything, anyone but the PAP' school of thought. I am a patriot first and an opposition supporter second. I am worried by the perception that not buying into the lock stock and barrel of all anti-PAP rhetoric necessarily means one is a traitor, spy, mole or PAP agent (I have been accused of all of the above).

Addendum: the more I do this stuff the more I think we need to grow the opposition not because I hate the ruling party. But because when they stop being the best guys for the job (and they're starting to seriously show signs of that), I don't want this country to descend into the mob. It's capacity and the long game we need to build, not the Tan Jee Say REJECT EVERYTHING model. I will now actively seek out an organization which better fits this worldview.



Do what is right, for evil rises when good does nothing...
I am not xenophobic but I think suitation would have been better and meaningful if they bother to segment the needs. Clearly no one is working on this.
I am against the White Paper and how the Gov dismisses the cons of the White Paper policy. I need to do my part being a Singaporean and also a responsible father to my children who will turn early 20 in 2030 as I do not want them to face being squeezed out and feeling lesser Singaporeans, since I can see that coming. How to tell them it is good to be Singaporean since I am now not so convinced. With that, I turned out at Hong Lim Park with my wife. That's the least I can do today and tell my children I am doing my best when they came to age.
 
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kenntona;957861 said:
Sorry, after almost 40 pages, what is anyone's alternative proposal(s) to the White Paper?

They don't empower the opposition to allow the latter to come up with viable, feasible alternatives (case in point - the White Paper wasn't distributed in advance to the opposition for perusal or formal dissection), and they don't pay us nearly enough for us to come up with options and solutions (whatever for anyway? Would they bother to listen in the first place).

What they did do is to run this country as a (admittedly quasi-pseudo at times) democracy - so, that should be enough for us to come up with an alternative proposal indeed, come 2016 - that is, if we're willing to stop being internet/forum/blog heroes and actually put our money where our mouths are.

Otherwise, we should all just shut up, drop our pants, bend over, hand them the lubricant and take it up where the sun don't shine, just like a good little boy scout.
 
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I think the issue is the way the White Paper is delivered, not the content itself. Ask for any alternative policy and no one could deviate from "importing GDP." The critical element lacking is the assurance that PMET jobs will be subjected to subtle protectionism. This was supposed to be the gist anchoring Singaporeans' confidence.

I am not pro-PAP, but I do not see any policy merit from the opposition at this juncture.

kenntona said:
I have already said that these foreign workers have been and are filling the job voids that we could not plug.

Many families need domestic helpers, or maids. This has been going on for at least the last 30 years.

Your car has been serviced by mechanics from Malaysia. This has been happening for at least the last 20 years.

The likes of foreign banks and firms have to engage their local staff over here. Hence we have been working with the German, American, Japanese and French employees from your Deutsche Bank to Hewlett Packard to Panasonic, this has been happening for the last few decades too.

You want Shanghai Xiao Long Bao? La mian? Expect chinese chefs here.

The point is on the jobs that the middle class is engaged in - engineers, accountants, auditors, technicians..... short of calling for labour protectionism, we need to ask - we need doctors? Okay, but do we need foreign lawyers? Do we need foreign accountants?

The concern is valid insofar as the middle cohort is concerned. And hence the debate.

It is a waste of time debating based on the premise of a generic definition of "foreign workers" or "foreign talents" without recognising that the social fabric has always been this way.
 
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wobbles said:
They don't empower the opposition to allow the latter to come up with viable, feasible alternatives (case in point - the White Paper wasn't distributed in advance to the opposition for perusal or formal dissection), and they don't pay us nearly enough for us to come up with options and solutions (whatever for anyway? Would they bother to listen in the first place).

What they did do is to run this country as a (admittedly quasi-pseudo at times) democracy - so, that should be enough for us to come up with an alternative proposal indeed, come 2016 - that is, if we're willing to stop being internet/forum/blog heroes and actually put our money where our mouths are.

Otherwise, we should all just shut up, drop our pants, bend over, hand them the lubricant and take it up where the sun don't shine, just like a good little boy scout.

You failed to address my concerns - what is your alternative view?
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

elect me. i give u alternatives.

no more FT.


1. i will bring in chinese chickens only.
2. dedicated amount places/licenses to thai clubs n sar laus where FTs r welcome
3. coe will be issued based on income basis
4. rd tax will be based on vehicle dimensions
5. ppty tax will be revised. no more FTs means no more expensive ppty.
6. parts of neighbouring countries to be nuked. n built race tracks/golf courses... a few villages to be spared...as we need caddies/track marshalls etc.
 
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kenntona;957861 said:
Sorry, after almost 40 pages, what is anyone's alternative proposal(s) to the White Paper?

kenntona;957871 said:
You failed to address my concerns - what is your alternative view?


And you have just asked the very question our ministers want answers from the opposition n naysayers. We only know how to complain, yet do not contribute, and expect gahmen to "understand" and "do the right thing"....

and our gahmen knows this....bunch of Internet heros and keyboard/coffee shop politicians. Secretly all of us still cannot do without PAP, but we all need to show we oppose them or else we r branded assholes and traitors.


oh...I also dun have alternative view. I m using my iPad now. Touchscreen warrior
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

In 1994, writer Catherine Lim was told to join a polical party if she wishes to set any political agenda.
Let's face it, we won't be getting any alternatives to the White Paper on 6.9m pop heard until closer to 2016 GE
But having the people and the government going on collusion course spells chaos and trouble for
our little red dot. Opposition like WP simply don't have what it takes to form a viable government...yet.
Take housing issue for example:
Previous generation bought their 5 rooms HDB at below S$60,000. Today it is above S$230,000.
How are we going to reverse that? Or keep it same level? Or increase further and one day
the morgage loan is to be paid by two generations? If we leave such issue/problem for next
generation to solve, then we have failed in our duty to leave behind a place for them to live.
We can't be that selfish, or are we?
Or is the Singapore miracle over before even 2065.
 
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I cannot imagine LTK being a PM...which from the looks of things and his leadership of WP, appears to be like LKY of yesteryear...
 
Re: 6.9mil population in 2030 / PM Lee admits govt lacked foresight

Not all are keyboard warriors...some really speak up.

[video=youtube;mmFbAJxNdRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmFbAJxNdRk[/video]
 
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ozipo said:
Take housing issue for example:
Previous generation bought their 5 rooms HDB at below S$60,000. Today it is above S$230,000.
How are we going to reverse that? Or keep it same level? Or increase further and one day
the morgage loan is to be paid by two generations? If we leave such issue/problem for next
generation to solve, then we have failed in our duty to leave behind a place for them to live.
We can't be that selfish, or are we?
Or is the Singapore miracle over before even 2065.

This is one huge irony.

A case of the haves versus the have-nots. The irony is that many of the "haves" benefitted from the asset inflation over the years. Now that they moved out of their HDBs, cashed out from the secondary market sale, and blamed the way HDB prices escalate?

Sure, there are those who are facing the current market for the first time. But I look at the mob for talking properties, hogging queues and buying new launches at exorbitant prices. I realised the sheer number of "laymen gurus" talking about properties the last few years. With all these, blame Rome or blame the mob?

A famous movie character (a colonel) said this, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

I think that describes the situation here currently.
 
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kenntona;957861 said:
Sorry, after almost 40 pages, what is anyone's alternative proposal(s) to the White Paper?
I think WP provides alternative solution on this matter.

The MIW knows that $$ don't work. But why are they providing bigger & bigger baby bonus?

Honestly, to reverse the low birth rate requires political will from the leader of the country to look long term (more than 10 yrs) rather than short term. Which leader balls are so big to take that risk?
 
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kenntona;957905 said:
This is one huge irony.

A famous movie character (a colonel) said this, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."
.
[video=youtube;5j2F4VcBmeo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=en-GB&v=5j2F4VcBmeo"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=en-GB&v=5j2F4VcBmeo[/video]
 

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