Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

[kenntona]

I have the understanding that the front suspension on the E92 335 is almost identical with the E92 M3, as well as, 90% of the rear suspension. Is it true that one can literally bolt on an M3 suspension and brakes on an E92 - and that the only real difference between between e92 335 and e92 M3 is the rear track width + LSD?

So assuming LSD and a good set of coilovers are in place...... is the following statement correct?

"Replacing four front links (tension struts/thrust arms and wishbones/control arms), camber plates, six rear links (wishbones/control arms and guide rods), and four subframe bushings will essentially give you M car suspension feel and performance."

Any comment?

 

[TripleM]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

E92 335 PML car = 235k
E92 M3 PI =

 

[totoseow]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

"Replacing four front links (tension struts/thrust arms and wishbones/control arms), camber plates, six rear links (wishbones/control arms and guide rods), and four subframe bushings will essentially give you M car suspension feel and performance."

Any comment?

i think it will bring u closer to the feel, but like u say it will not be 100%...may not even be 90%...so many other factors to consider. weight distribution for one. chasis rigidity of the Ms r different as well. stock cars r tested n set up thru those miles of testing to give u a certain bias in feel.

a pariah fix-it-up car may give u better performance numbers...fastest 0-100, fastest 100-0...but its still inherently not going to be like exactly like an M3.

n i am not saying one is better than the other...im answring your question with a resounding NO, that your statement is not correct.

its like me having ronaldo's legs but my body above is machiam lee kuan yew.

 

[Rastaman]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

LOL...an M is an M ..... - Omar say one. He can vouch for that im sure hehe. Care to share bro ?? or u still in Bombay ?

Agree with Jem....maybe comes close and could possibly give the M a run for its money but chassis rigidity+ the fact that its wider may make the real difference.

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

LOL...an M is an M ..... - Omar say one. He can vouch for that im sure hehe. Care to share bro ?? or u still in Bombay ?

Agree with Jem....maybe comes close and could possibly give the M a run for its money but chassis rigidity+ the fact that its wider may make the real difference.

Hahah Rastaman, still here in Mumbai. My opinions? Ok. The ///M is a totally different experience. I still miss the 335 for its raw power. But the biggest difference with the M3, is that you have to work hard to make the car drive fast. It simply does not conceal the mistakes you make unlike the 335 which was very fast to drive, and the low end power was able to make up for any mistakes one could possibly make even while driving. With the M3, the biggest difference was the chassis more than even the handling/suspension. The chassis was noticeably more balanced through the corners and much sharper because of the steering which I was not something I had on the 335. However, the turning radius of the M3 sucks with much more personal assistance required for a full opposite lock when making a U-turn.

The M3 is not as fast as what I experienced on the 335 but its a far more challenging car to drive, especially through corners. It does not forgive you on mistakes and you can be penalized heavily even shifting at the wrong time. I'd like to think that the M3 is a car that has to be driven hard to reap personal satisfaction while the 335 was a car that made power really fast and quick but somehow was not as connected at the m3. I have seen and felt Andres 335, and its probably one of the few 335s that had handling as good or better than the M3, but i felt the chasis rigidity was different from the M3. The M3's chassis is truly different in many aspects and its one of the key points on why I love the car so much despite the deficit of power. However, in terms of technical advancement, I have to give it to the N54 for being a blast to drive making gobs of power and still able to it 400+ km per full tank. The M3 hardly gives me 350km per full tank!!!

 

[TripleM]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

Let me sum it up ...the very fundamental difference between M3 and souped up 335 lies in nothing BUT the driving experience of the M that CAN NOT be replicated.

Everything else when modded properly and reliably, 335 can definitely beat an M3.

 

[totoseow]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

thats why i tell u..

jack. even if u wear 10 okamoto...u will never be able to please a woman better than me. yes u may be bigger...after wearing 10 okamotos, but u r still flacid under all that.

 

[Carcinogenic]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

I bet ken is now turning the world wide web inside out for an M3 chassis

 

[TripleM]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

thats why i tell u..

jack. even if u wear 10 okamoto...u will never be able to please a woman better than me. yes u may be bigger...after wearing 10 okamotos, but u r still flacid under all that.

Shud be the other way round
U need 10 okamoto to make up for the thickness while I don't.

 

[totoseow]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

be careful. too much okamoto will be like tying rubber band round ur kkj. may turn black n drop off

 

[BlackCookie]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

Is the most talkabout 335 going on sale soon?

 

[centurion]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

Here's the source thread:

Robbing the e92 M3 for suspension parts - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com

full discussion.

edit: Singapore M3 E92 spec has adaptative suspension which is quite magical. How does one replicate that without the proper ECU?

 

[kenntona]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

I have seen and felt Andres 335, and its probably one of the few 335s that had handling as good or better than the M3, but i felt the chasis rigidity was different from the M3. The M3's chassis is truly different in many aspects and its one of the key points on why I love the car so much despite the deficit of power.

I dun think, even with suspension mods, LSD, sways, foam-injection, changing to M's control arms, tension struts, and M's bushings/mounts, or even with widebody mods, the 335 can match M3's handling.

My point is - how close to a an M can the 335 mods be enhanced? Quantitatively, hard to put a figure and say, Andre's car's handling feels 70-80% like an M3, but what about qualitative evaluation?

How far apart after all the handling mods?

 

[centurion]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

depends on how you define handling. there's no real answer on `how far apart' if the metrics aren't specified.

If one just puts emphasis on SHARPNESS of the feel, then I'd say it's still night and day no matter what one puts there. The M vs 335 is like glasses vs no glasses for a short sighted guy, but then sometimes too sharp gives you a headache.

There's nothing unattainable about M's handling. If you fully compromise the 335 suspension in the name of performance only, the 335 can easily surpass the M. The devil is trying to reach the M's ride-handling compromise. I would have thought that the 335's stock suspension was perfect for what the car was supposed to be - effortless cruiser with an ability for spirited driving.

Go for an M, kenn. You look like the kind of guy who'd appreciate it, given your great endeavours here.

 

[kenntona]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

depends on how you define handling. there's no real answer on `how far apart' if the metrics aren't specified. If one just puts emphasis on SHARPNESS of the feel, then I'd say it's still night and day no matter what one puts there. The M vs 335 is like glasses vs no glasses for a short sighted guy, but then sometimes too sharp gives you a headache.

Good point.

There's nothing unattainable about M's handling. If you fully compromise the 335 suspension in the name of performance only, the 335 can easily surpass the M. The devil is trying to reach the M's ride-handling compromise. I would have thought that the 335's stock suspension was perfect for what the car was supposed to be - effortless cruiser with an ability for spirited driving.

Compromise as in ?

Is the most talkabout 335 going on sale soon?

Go for an M, kenn. You look like the kind of guy who'd appreciate it, given your great endeavours here.

No, at least not yet. Or a used Cayman S with a compromise on brute torque.......

 

[centurion]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

No, at least not yet. Or a used Cayman S with a compromise on brute torque.......

The Cayman has shit torque compared to any turbo BMW. And the new PDK one is so far superior to the tiptronic that a used Cayman S tip is not really a viable option.

 

[BlackCookie]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

Go for an M, kenn. You look like the kind of guy who'd appreciate it, given your great endeavours here.

Centurion said this! I didn't!!!

Anyway, I think Kenn would prefer the rush and low end power that the 335 gives him. As for an M, great car but don't think he has thoroughly enjoyed his 335 to justify another buy. As for handling, I think the rest of the guys here does make sense in terms of the rigidity of the chassis and solely with the M's bigger frame, we're talking about a totally different ballgame.

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

I dun think, even with suspension mods, LSD, sways, foam-injection, changing to M's control arms, tension struts, and M's bushings/mounts, or even with widebody mods, the 335 can match M3's handling.

My point is - how close to a an M can the 335 mods be enhanced? Quantitatively, hard to put a figure and say, Andre's car's handling feels 70-80% like an M3, but what about qualitative evaluation?

How far apart after all the handling mods?

The M3s handling lies in the proper tuningof the ECU to the differential together with the chasis rigidity thats makes it most apparent. And that itself is the hardest to replicate. the rest of the items can be used and that will be as close as 85% to an M3. Qualitative evaluation in what sense?

To be most honest, handling aside, it is the sound and the transmission that gives me the most hard-on.It feels exactly like a race car and there are many settings to twiddle with to see which one suits you the most. Even untill today, every drive is something new for me. I just hate the FC.

 

[Ahbengdriver]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

Why mod a 335 to become like an M3? Just keep it stock lah. if spend so much $$ to mod, might as well join Omar. get the real deal.

 

[iScoupe]

Re: Bridging Handling Between the E92 M3 and E92 335

I dun think, even with suspension mods, LSD, sways, foam-injection, changing to M's control arms, tension struts, and M's bushings/mounts, or even with widebody mods, the 335 can match M3's handling.

My point is - how close to a an M can the 335 mods be enhanced? Quantitatively, hard to put a figure and say, Andre's car's handling feels 70-80% like an M3, but what about qualitative evaluation?

How far apart after all the handling mods?

FP, Ken loves his car, u can see he is not gonna sell it with so much "mod" he burn into his 335, he just want to know the handling whether can it be enhance as maybe he feels that the driver's weight is not proper distributed.