E60 523 ?
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Re: E60 523 ?
Price is listed at just over $200K (abt $201-203K).
Paper Performance is almost identical to the 520i. About 9.3 sec for 0-100km/h.
I think I clearly heard the sales person say that the increased performance is about 7bhp over the 520i? (correct me if I heard wrong).
Engine is supposedly a detuned 2.5litre block and it comes with more options. IMO, it's going to be difficult to market this particular model because of the price (almost 20K higher), even with the options. Just a personal opinion.
Price is listed at just over $200K (abt $201-203K).
Paper Performance is almost identical to the 520i. About 9.3 sec for 0-100km/h.
I think I clearly heard the sales person say that the increased performance is about 7bhp over the 520i? (correct me if I heard wrong).
Engine is supposedly a detuned 2.5litre block and it comes with more options. IMO, it's going to be difficult to market this particular model because of the price (almost 20K higher), even with the options. Just a personal opinion.
zag
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Re: E60 523 ?
$195K is the current offer. First batch PDC is standard but no active steering. (Dumb marketing i guess.. PML!! you can retrofit PDC but not active steering yet)
Should wait for six months for pml will be pushing it as bread butter cars to replace the 520i at about $179k give n take.
Good thing BMW had done away with the earlier 16" wheel...real butt ugly match with the early 520i.
Puny said:
$195K is the current offer. First batch PDC is standard but no active steering. (Dumb marketing i guess.. PML!! you can retrofit PDC but not active steering yet)
Should wait for six months for pml will be pushing it as bread butter cars to replace the 520i at about $179k give n take.
Good thing BMW had done away with the earlier 16" wheel...real butt ugly match with the early 520i.
Re: E60 523 ?
Just test drove the 523 yesterday.
Paper specs are 177 bhp and 230Nm torque from a detuned 2.5L.
Standard are Xenon lights, PDC (front and rear with car graphic on the LCD screen), 17in rims with run flats (look a lot better than the old 16in and the ride less bumpy than the 530 maybe because of newer run flat tyres).
I felt performance was noticably improved from the outgoing 520 (all sold out). The engine felt less strained and downshifted less. Eager to pull all the way to the redline...typical BMW inline 6.
This weekend only $190K plus 20% interest rebate. May work out to $180K+ depending how much you borrow.
My only reservation is that the "normal" 2.5L puts out 218bhp and 250Nm, the loss of 41bhp is quite significant. Is there any mechanical difference in the 523 engine versus the 525? If not, can it be rechipped to produce the same output since it is basically the same engine?
Just test drove the 523 yesterday.
Paper specs are 177 bhp and 230Nm torque from a detuned 2.5L.
Standard are Xenon lights, PDC (front and rear with car graphic on the LCD screen), 17in rims with run flats (look a lot better than the old 16in and the ride less bumpy than the 530 maybe because of newer run flat tyres).
I felt performance was noticably improved from the outgoing 520 (all sold out). The engine felt less strained and downshifted less. Eager to pull all the way to the redline...typical BMW inline 6.
This weekend only $190K plus 20% interest rebate. May work out to $180K+ depending how much you borrow.
My only reservation is that the "normal" 2.5L puts out 218bhp and 250Nm, the loss of 41bhp is quite significant. Is there any mechanical difference in the 523 engine versus the 525? If not, can it be rechipped to produce the same output since it is basically the same engine?
moreau
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Re: E60 523 ?
hi my dad jus went to the pml showroom at alexandera.was offered abt 182k.abt 180 after 1% fleet discount.ya the xenon and 17 inch are standards.is it a good buy?current ride is a 520 executive series.another qn is that since its 2.5l how come its power to restrained to 177bhp?and also how come the 525 churns out more power despite have the same engine(correct me if i m wrong).
hi my dad jus went to the pml showroom at alexandera.was offered abt 182k.abt 180 after 1% fleet discount.ya the xenon and 17 inch are standards.is it a good buy?current ride is a 520 executive series.another qn is that since its 2.5l how come its power to restrained to 177bhp?and also how come the 525 churns out more power despite have the same engine(correct me if i m wrong).
Re: E60 523 ?
The 523 is currently going officially at $182k but have done deals at $180k currently, maybe it can go another $1k lower depending on whether and how much commission the sale person is willing to forgo to clinch the sale. Its the same engine block on the 523i as the 525i, the only difference being that the bore and stroke on the 525 i is much bigger than that on the 523 i , hence the greater power on the 525i. In Singapore's context, this is quite ridiculous as apart from the $30k odd which you can save from buying the 525i, you are literally going to pay the same road tax as your 525i neighbour but with reduced performance. And if you were thinking of modding the engine to match the hp output on the 525i, you can forget about it unless you are into reboring engines.
Jericho
The 523 is currently going officially at $182k but have done deals at $180k currently, maybe it can go another $1k lower depending on whether and how much commission the sale person is willing to forgo to clinch the sale. Its the same engine block on the 523i as the 525i, the only difference being that the bore and stroke on the 525 i is much bigger than that on the 523 i , hence the greater power on the 525i. In Singapore's context, this is quite ridiculous as apart from the $30k odd which you can save from buying the 525i, you are literally going to pay the same road tax as your 525i neighbour but with reduced performance. And if you were thinking of modding the engine to match the hp output on the 525i, you can forget about it unless you are into reboring engines.
Jericho
emiffy
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Re: E60 523 ?
523i and 525i have the same engine block, i.e., same bore (78.8mm) and stroke (82.0mm). If the bore and stroke are different, then the engine capacity (2497cc) would be different.
Power difference is in the tuning:
523i:
130kw at 5800rpm
230nm at 3500rpm
525i:
160kw at 6500rpm
250nm at 2750rpm
(all from german specifications - bmw.de).
IMHO, the 525i would be a better car (not just the equipment levels) but from a driveability point of view -- max torque at a relatively low 2750rpm.
oh, and the 525i has a slightly taller final drive.
523i and 525i have the same engine block, i.e., same bore (78.8mm) and stroke (82.0mm). If the bore and stroke are different, then the engine capacity (2497cc) would be different.
Power difference is in the tuning:
523i:
130kw at 5800rpm
230nm at 3500rpm
525i:
160kw at 6500rpm
250nm at 2750rpm
(all from german specifications - bmw.de).
IMHO, the 525i would be a better car (not just the equipment levels) but from a driveability point of view -- max torque at a relatively low 2750rpm.
oh, and the 525i has a slightly taller final drive.
Re: E60 523 ?
It all boils down to the tuning components of the car that makes the difference. As pointed earlier, the 523 is indeed a detuned version of 525 despite similar capacity to the 525....
It's just like the E90 320 being a 4potter Valvetronic but slightly more powerful than it's previous sibling E46 318 valvetronic engine. And not only that, it's 6spd vs 5spd....
moreau said:
It all boils down to the tuning components of the car that makes the difference. As pointed earlier, the 523 is indeed a detuned version of 525 despite similar capacity to the 525....
It's just like the E90 320 being a 4potter Valvetronic but slightly more powerful than it's previous sibling E46 318 valvetronic engine. And not only that, it's 6spd vs 5spd....
quiksilver
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Re: E60 523 ?
If it is just a matter of tuning, can the 523 be "modded" to produce same output as 525?
TripleM said:
If it is just a matter of tuning, can the 523 be "modded" to produce same output as 525?
zag
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Re: E60 523 ?
Does the first batch comes with Active steering already? If not, should wait for the second batch. AFS should be standard.
With MB offering NAV even on their basic E200, PML will be hard pressed as well.
525i should be better bargain from equip option standpoint and driveability...IMHO PML will have tough time positioning a 2.5l engine as entry level to compete with 1.8l E200 but then again the roads are full of e60s nowadays. Darn you do darn you don't!
Does the first batch comes with Active steering already? If not, should wait for the second batch. AFS should be standard.
With MB offering NAV even on their basic E200, PML will be hard pressed as well.
525i should be better bargain from equip option standpoint and driveability...IMHO PML will have tough time positioning a 2.5l engine as entry level to compete with 1.8l E200 but then again the roads are full of e60s nowadays. Darn you do darn you don't!
