Everyone in today's market is paying over valuation...

timechaser

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That's what I was told by the salesdroid when I handed over my cheque yday.

My question is - HOW!

The aptt I am buying - asking for $2.35 mn. I bid $2.10mn (which is bank valuation) and handed a cheque for an Offer to Purchase. This valuation sees me out of pocket by nearly half a million but still the owner want above valuation.

How? How many rich people are staying in Singapore? How can "everyone" afford to pay above valuation when the blxxdy valuation itself will mean you have to set aside $500,000 plus! I will have no more money left... Even if I sell both my cars - still wont be able to meet the price asked!

Can someone explain the rationale to me... In an earlier phase - where the banks had not caught up with the market - I could understand. But now? Banks are aggressively valuing the properties and owners want MORE AND MORE!

I know greed is the driving motive in most trades but this is just :nutkick: the buyer... always!

/Rant over/
 
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Looks like your dreams are too big mate!! Bank valuation is usually lower than market value anyway. If the market is there, of course I will want to get the most out of my investmnet if I want to sell. If you dont buy it, someone else will.
 
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let's see how long this COV will last n how high it would reach.
 
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phil;498811 said:
Looks like your dreams are too big mate!! Bank valuation is usually lower than market value anyway. If the market is there, of course I will want to get the most out of my investmnet if I want to sell. If you dont buy it, someone else will.
+1.

there is still alot of demand over property by investors from overseas. market hasnt really cooled off yet. and banks have been conservative over valuation, thus not reflective of the price of these properties. if you were to bid at valuation, gurantee you will not get.

recently just sold one of our property and it was 300k above valuation and there is still a healthy interest despite it being above valuation.
 
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So perhaps I should just call the cheque back and wait? If this COV (what's that?) is bound to cool off given the government measures?
 
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dude u just have to take a view. if its for ur own stay, many wud argue dun worry too much...altho we hope to buy low of cos.

where the mkt is going everyone will hv their own say. different segments different demands. im not gonna pretend i know where the mkt is going. i hv stuff to sell and hv sold stuff as well. some ez...some impossible.

ask urself some fundamental questions. dun pay out of ur soul. buy what u can afford. one major question i cant get an answer. prices r going up. where is the rental? never in the ppty mkts can this be sustainable. will rental catch up?

big scale of things. in the big world. if u follow global ISM numbers. inventories globally are typically ahead of demand. manufacturers hv to predict n stockpile. the mkt is pricing in a very very steep recovery. if that is right, we will be back to where we were in early 07 by the 3rd qtr next yr. then this mkt is still very very very clearly underleverage by tons.

but the last few data has suddenly pointed that we may NOT hv it this way. a more gradual recovery...which mean if anything...2013.

so that means the mkt is all wrong now. in a worse case scenario like japan? god we will never get back. we will need another Volker moment to realign the mkts. u know stop pumping in money to help inidustries which will never hv the chance to recover. its over. retrain n realign those hopes.


all im saying is that if u r buying for ur own stay, dun try n let current forces force u to over leverage. when buying for own stay u hv to consider a different set of rules. n they all point to the fact that u hv to be able to afford it in the long run, regardless of what happens to the mkt.

another thing....never give ur agent a cheque to wave more than 1 hour. i wun do that.
 
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Thanks for that. Ties in with my own view atm - that it is not going to be a steep, but a protracted recovery. My logic for going into this property is I want to load my self with debt with an appreciable asset as I see the next three years full of inflation. Governments have to inflate their way through this mess so the int rates not going up. Flip side though rentals will remain soft - cant see too much of a demand given the amount of property available in the market at the moment.

The apt is for my stay so the rental bit doesnt make a difference to me...

And unfortunately - I have given the chq to wave till next week. I know then...
 
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so long as u r comfy mate. thats the most important. my biggest fear is that the mkts hv priced in too much; the govts hv pumped in too much to save industries that cannto be saved. eventually they may just wave their hands n call it quits.

i just fear the next asset that will explode will be govt debts...
 
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ouch! you know what you are saying is close to blasphemy. That's a mess I cannot even imagine us getting out of.

But nevermind that - give me sane advice. Over PM if need be. Should I pull out now? When there's no OTP etc. signed by me yet... I am comfy with the money I am punting, but am I taking too much risk on my book?
 
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no la..i cant tell u whats gonna happen. neither can i say my fears will prove true. personally i will sell her n look to end of next yr b4 deciding. i dun think the mkt is going to run away. in short...lesser upside more downside....probably very sideways.

the best news is buy asia. buy emerging asia that is. we r lucky to be in asia. but singapore is hardly emerging.
 
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On the point of "bank valuations"...eg. valuations for buyer or seller...? I always look @ FMV "Fair Market Valuation" and do my maths before committing to a property. Buying to stay if u feel comfortable with the place just go for it..from an investment standpoint so many angles to look from depending on one's portfolio and balance sheet. IMHO
 
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In this case, the valuation for the buyer = seller = FMV (worked out by me)...

Yet the asking is above.
 
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Property prices at record high

Property prices at record high
It jumped an all-time record 14.3 per cent in the third quarter. -myp

Thu, Nov 26, 2009
my paper
BY KOH HUI THENG
PROPERTY prices in Singapore jumped an all-time record 14.3 per cent in the third quarter, in tandem with the rise in prices elsewhere, according to some of the latest global data.
However, property experts here say the steep rise in housing prices is unlikely to continue, thanks to a slew of government- introduced measures to prevent the market from overheating.
Quarter-on-quarter house price changes in Singapore, Britain, Canada, Germany and South Africa are back in positive territory after the financial crisis, according to Global Property Guide's latest data.
In the third quarter, price rises have occurred in 16 countries, and fell in only 11, of the 27 countries that have published their latest quarterly figures.
Market overheating is as much a concern in Singapore as in Hong Kong, the Guide says.
However, despite the quarterly jump in Singapore, prices are still down 11 per cent over the year, according to the Guide's calculations.
The Guide's data reflects price changes after inflation, giving a more realistic picture than the more upbeat nominal figures usually preferred by real-estate agents.
The fact that housing markets are recovering in real terms is significant, as dramatic declines in property markets are typically followed by a period in which house prices are static in nominal terms, but decline in real terms.
However, the world seems polarised between the Asian economies - which are enjoying strong economic growth and high residential-property price rises (except in Thailand) - and Eastern Europe and the United Arab Emirates, where growth has stalled and property markets have crashed.
Even there, figures for the latest quarter offer hope.
The driver of world economic growth, the United States, appears to be in positive territory as well: its Q3 house-price changes were up nominally by 3.1 per cent, according to the Case-Schiller index, or up 1.2 per cent after inflation.
In nominal terms, the Case-Schiller index recorded an 8.9 per cent decline in the year to Q3, a marked improvement over the 14.7 per cent decline in the year to Q2, and the 19 per cent drop in year to Q1.
Similar recoveries can also be seen elsewhere in the Asia-Pacific region.
Australia's housing markets were up 4.9 per cent year-on-year to Q3 this year. Darwin had the highest price increase among Australia's eight capital cities, followed by Melbourne and Canberra.
The upsurge appears to have been partly fuelled by a genuine housing supply shortage. Key interest rates in Australia are now on the rise.
New Zealand experienced a more modest increase of 2 per cent over the year to Q3 this year. Median sales prices in New Zealand are now back at levels seen in the middle of last year.
Hong Kong's housing market, meanwhile, has entered a phase of irrational exuberance.
House prices there rose by 3.1 per cent over the year to Q3, a significant improvement from the 7 per cent year-on-year decline ending Q2. In the three months to September, house prices jumped 11.1 per cent.
Britain, Canada, Germany, and South Africa have seen increases in the third quarter, after declines in every quarter since last year.
In Britain, house prices were up 3.4 per cent in the third quarter, according to Nationwide, and 2.1 per cent, according to the Land Registry. In fact, British house prices have been rallying since May.
Canada, Germany and South Africa saw modest increases of less than 1 per cent in Q3.
Meanwhile, investors in Dubai, UAE, have something to be optimistic about: Dubai's nominal house-price index increased 7 per cent in the third quarter, a significant improvement from an 8 per cent fall in Q2.
As for the Singapore market, some say prices may have already peaked. Mr Donald Han, managing director of real-estate brokers Cushman & Wakefield, noted that mass-market prices are already hovering at peak levels, aided by active pick-up in residential activity for the mid to low-end properties.
Sell-out launches of private condos The Caspian near Jurong Lake and Alexis near Queenstown MRT station in Q1 show that confidence and liquidity have returned to the marketplace.
"But Q3 prices have gone up too fast, in too short a time," he warned. "The steep V-shaped recovery cannot be sustained. The market needs a breather."
To cool the real-estate market, the Government scrapped interest-only housing loans and the interest-absorption scheme in September.
Earlier this week, the Housing Board announced that it expects to offer between 10,000 and 12,000 flats every year over the next five years to meet growing demand.
More government land will also be released for development.
This is why PropNex's chief executive, Mr Mohamed Ismail, expects housing demand and price increases to continue "in a subdued manner" of 2-3 per cent in the next two quarters.
But there could be more buzz for luxury properties priced above $2,200 psf.
Said Mr Han: "Top-end prices can go up by 25 per cent, as high-end investors look for bargains in Districts 9, 10, 11, Sentosa Cove and the Marina Bay areas."
He also expects prices to climb 11 per cent for high-end units (priced between $1,500 and $2,000 psf) and 7 per cent for mid-tier ones.
 
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yo bro, Singaporean are born gamblers... let the IR run one year then u have more option! I am very confident & waiting only. why buy so high & stress urself - toto house big go rent his room first..

Life is not abt chasing - is abt pple fear & tired then u go in.

e.g. toto will run behind u wanted to poke ur backside with normal pace. U scare & run but when you tired - he catch u & poke ur backside comfortably cos he more stamina. And also u give up & exhausted.
 
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totoseow;498824 said:
dude u just have to take a view. if its for ur own stay, many wud argue dun worry too much...altho we hope to buy low of cos.

where the mkt is going everyone will hv their own say. different segments different demands. im not gonna pretend i know where the mkt is going. i hv stuff to sell and hv sold stuff as well. some ez...some impossible.

ask urself some fundamental questions. dun pay out of ur soul. buy what u can afford. one major question i cant get an answer. prices r going up. where is the rental? never in the ppty mkts can this be sustainable. will rental catch up?

big scale of things. in the big world. if u follow global ISM numbers. inventories globally are typically ahead of demand. manufacturers hv to predict n stockpile. the mkt is pricing in a very very steep recovery. if that is right, we will be back to where we were in early 07 by the 3rd qtr next yr. then this mkt is still very very very clearly underleverage by tons.

but the last few data has suddenly pointed that we may NOT hv it this way. a more gradual recovery...which mean if anything...2013.

so that means the mkt is all wrong now. in a worse case scenario like japan? god we will never get back. we will need another Volker moment to realign the mkts. u know stop pumping in money to help inidustries which will never hv the chance to recover. its over. retrain n realign those hopes.


all im saying is that if u r buying for ur own stay, dun try n let current forces force u to over leverage. when buying for own stay u hv to consider a different set of rules. n they all point to the fact that u hv to be able to afford it in the long run, regardless of what happens to the mkt.

another thing....never give ur agent a cheque to wave more than 1 hour. i wun do that.

toto, u the guru.

i also want to sell my property, should sell now or later to max profits? property market next 12 months how? IR will affect property price in which direction wor???
 
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how any guru around. also need advice. back in 2006 also got people say property around my area wont got up more than 600psf if not will chop
 
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SHAMELESS;498914 said:
toto, u the guru.

i also want to sell my property, should sell now or later to max profits? property market next 12 months how? IR will affect property price in which direction wor???


gulan! htf i know. works in reverse. if its ur home..why punt with it?

who knows about the IR. worldwide revenues in casinos r declining. in no time u will find a casino in batam or vietnam or thailand...i think.

BUT one rule applies. when u want top upgrade, do it in a bear market. thats when the spread compresses. the expensive stuff drops more. when the mkt is hot. the expensive stuff also rises more. so in a bull mkt its not in your favour to upgrade. all things being equal, ie location.
 
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totoseow;498934 said:
gulan! htf i know. works in reverse. if its ur home..why punt with it?

who knows about the IR. worldwide revenues in casinos r declining. in no time u will find a casino in batam or vietnam or thailand...i think.

BUT one rule applies. when u want top upgrade, do it in a bear market. thats when the spread compresses. the expensive stuff drops more. when the mkt is hot. the expensive stuff also rises more. so in a bull mkt its not in your favour to upgrade. all things being equal, ie location.

And what if I am plunging for the first time? Again - bull market not the right time?

Besides, the bear market in property in Singapore lasted 6 weeks! The current property index is lower than in early 2008! But still bull run right now... :shakehea:
 
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P, if its ur only home..n u love it. just do it. its not only about $$$. so long as u can afford. ppty is perhaps the single most emotional tangible asset that one can buy.
 

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