FT86 = 86 (Hachiroku) / GT86 !!!

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FT86 production version will be called GT86

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Autocar's first drive
Toyota GT 86 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

What is it?

This is the GT 86, formerly known as the FT-86, and created to lure young, fun-loving drivers back to a Toyota brand that has become dominated by big-selling but ultimately bland models.

The front-engined, rear-drive 2+2 has been created in a close collaboration with Subaru, in which Toyota owns a 16.5 per cent share, and will spawn three mechanically identical but differently styled cars: the GT 86, the Subaru BRZ and, for the American market, the Scion FR-S.

All three will be powered by the same 197bhp, 151lb ft flat four engine. Based on the Subaru FB20 block but fitted with a Toyota-designed head, the 2.0-litre engine has been reworked with a shorter stroke and wider bores, allowing it to rev higher. Maximum power arrives at 7000rpm, while peak torque is at 6600rpm.

In total, 91 per cent of parts are bespoke to the GT 86 or its counterparts. Current estimates suggest it will cost from £28,000, a significantly higher amount than originally speculated, but still a relative bargain should it deliver on its promised fun.
What’s it like?

At this juncture it’s worth noting that our drive was conducted at a test track in Japan, where the silky smooth surface made any conclusions about the ride impossible to gauge accurately. Also, this is a pre-production car, set up to almost launch spec save for the fitment of details such as the audio system.

Sliding into the GT 86’s bucket seats – which are snug, grippy and positioned at a perfect, low-slung height – sets the tone. With all the controls close to hand, the cockpit is as cosseting as a Porsche’s, albeit not trimmed to the same standard.

At idle, the engine note is fairly subdued, but take it up to the 7500rpm redline and it sounds growly. However, this car is all about the corners. Its relatively low power means it’s no sprint champion, and the 0-62mph time is estimated at a modest 7.0sec.

But the key facets of an 1180kg kerb weight, rear-wheel drive, ESP that can be fully turned off, quick steering and a limited-slip differential make it a riot in the twisty stuff. Also, the tyres are the same 17in low-resistance versions as can be found on a Prius, all the better to make sure their grip can be overcome if the mood takes you.

Turn in to a corner and there is some roll, but it’s well contained. On a constant throttle and steady steering, it understeers slightly, but lift mid-corner or trail the brakes – or just throw it in – and it’ll either straighten its line or flick to oversteer as you choose.

Furthermore, it never catches you out when it does start to slide because the steering is so nicely weighted and the chassis so responsive that they telegraph exactly what’s happening at all times.

There are disappointments, but they are minor. The six-speed manual gearbox is a touch notchy, while the optional six-speed automatic changes smoothly and quickly but lacks the sharpness of its dual-clutch rivals. When it’s on, the stability control system also intervenes too harshly.
Should I buy one?

Despite this, at its best, the driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don’t come much higher than that. That it can’t reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions as the German-built car shouldn’t detract from its overall success, because the fact that it can even get close is a minor miracle.
Hidemitsu Hoshiga
Toyota GT 86

Price: £28,000 (est); Top speed: 143mph (est); 0-62mph: 7.0sec (est); Economy: 40.9mpg (est, combined); CO2: 160g/km (est); Kerb weight: 1180kg; Engine: 4 cyls horizontally opposed, 1998cc, petrol; Installation: Front, longitudinal, RWD; Power: 197bhp at 7000rpm; Torque: 151lb ft at 6600rpm; Gearbox: 6-spd manual; Length: 4240mm; Height: 1285mm; Wheelbase: 2570mm; Wheels: 7Jx17in; Tyres: 215/45 R17.
 
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJwwUQU_GZw"]Toyota GT 86 Driving Scenes - YouTube[/ame]

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Goodbye FT86, Hello GT86!

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Today, the online car enthusiast community blew up with news of the FT86's production unveiling prior to the Tokyo Motor Show. Gone is the name FT86, replaced by the name GT86. The JDM model gets a cooler name, just simply, 86. Or in other words, Hachiroku.
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Some early drive writeups have begun surfacing on the net, with Autocar magazine giving it the thumbs up and calling the driving experience a http://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gifmatch for the likes of a Porsche Cayman. High praise indeed.
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Fans of the original have been waiting a really really looooooong time for this. My personal favourite of the bunch is the white one rolling on BBS wheels.
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Enjoy these photos of the car via Autoc-One.
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No doubt many of Japan's top tuners are probably working on further enhancements for the 86 as we speak and i just can't wait to see the results at the next Tokyo Auto Salon.
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New Article on TTAC about the GT86-- Speaks with Engineer!
Finally: TTAC Gets Its Hands On The FT86. And Its Chief Engineer | The Truth About Cars





Today was the day Toyota’s FT86 was officially revealed. Actually, it will be officially revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show, which will open its doors to the public on December 3. Today, the international media had a sneak preview of the car. Us, and maybe 20,000 people who lined the galleries of the Fuji Raceway where Toyota and Gazoo Racing held its TGRF (Toyota Gazoo Racing Festival). The masses could witness from afar as Akio Toyoda climbed out of an orange sports car, removed his helmet and waved at the adoring crowds.


The press corps had a chance to drive the car. That opportunity that was immediately turned into hoonery by a rough and tumble contingent from Australia. One of them drove the car with so much enthusiasm that it spun out , did a few twirls and had a near-miss with an Australian cohort. We immediately had proof that the car provided only the barest necessities in computer control, and that one has to know how to drive, unless a rendition of Swan Lake is desired.



Before we get to that, the essentials. The name of the car had been the target of endless speculation. Until yesterday evening, Toyota steadfastly referred to the car as nothing else than a “compact real-wheel-drive sports car.”
Some at TTAC had recommended that the car should get a Japanese name. Toyota listens to its customers and complied.
The car will be called “Hachiroku.”
This is Japanese and means 86.
Yes, Toyota simply dropped the “FT”. It also wants to carry on the spirit of the AE86 of lore.


For me, the most interesting part of today was to sit in a quiet room with Tetsuya Tada, and a handpicked group of journalists. (The man on the right is Hans Greimel of Automotive News.) We could listen to Tada’s comments about the car. We had talked before, in August, but this time, the Chief Engineer of the 86 could be less circumspect and was able to talk openly. He sure did. For starters, I learn that Toyota’s test drivers had given him a very hard time:
“Mr. Toyoda almost continuously participated in the development of this car. Not as President, but as a test driver. Usually, when they say that the president of a company is test driving a prototype car, then it is mostly ceremonial. Mr. Toyoda’s participation was not simply ceremonial. He was a serious test driver and had some pretty tough comments. In some phases of the development. he said: “If that is the best you can do, why not quit now.” One by one, we overcame these problems.


In the grand scheme of things, Akio Toyoda had been polite. Stronger words came from Hiromu Naruse, Toyota’s chief test driver who found an untimely death by crashing his LFA into a BMW 3series on a rural highway close to the Nürburgring. Tada remembers:
“When Naruse-san was still alive, he participated in the tests many time and gave us some quite harsh comments, like: ‘This is a miserable car. You are doing very poorly.’
We tested this car at the Nürburgring. Naruse-san died very close to the Nürburgring, and each time we testdrove the car later, we made sure to pass by the memorial of Naruse-san. We tried to keep Naruse-san’s spirit alive.”

One by one, the challenges thrown up by the test drivers were met. But there were other people, Tada had to contend with.
“We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”

Their requirements clashed with another group: Toyota’s board. The board wanted a car that goes faster than other cars. Tada’s colleagues at other car companies had to contend with the same problem:
“We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.
Now how did we get the permission from our board? The only reason was that among the directors, there was a person called Akio Toyoda, who is a car enthusiast himself.”

Tada not only had to convince a board that was fixated on numbers. He also had to do something highly risqué: Ditch the Toyota Way of developing cars:
“There is a Toyota standard for designing new cars. This standard was to a large extent ignored. Why did we do this? There are cars that are accepted by a lot of people. Practical cars that are easy to drive and that do not break easily. These are standard Toyota cars. The 86 is not a car like that. We had to change our design approach for this car. We may have to do this again for other cars.
It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.”

And would you believe that even Toyota’s advertising department did not like the car?
“When we first presented this idea to our advertising people, they were drastically opposed to this idea. They complained that the car doesn’t have a particularly fast time on the circuit, it does not use any new technology. They also could not think of a catchy headline for the catalogue.”
Someone should have a chat with that advertising department.

The word of mouth enthusiasm for this car is so strong, maybe it doesn’t need any advertising. Thousands of grassroots racers around the world are looking forward to a car they can tinker with. Tada built it for them:
“To make the car customizable, we did away with computers to the highest extent possible. A lot of the cars on the market today are controlled by computers. People have the feeling that they are driven by the car instead of them driving the car. That makes for a boring experience. That is why we decided to go back to the basics of car making. With the low center of gravity, the driver now is in personal touch with the road again.”
How much will this car cost? This remains a state secret. All Toyota says is that it will be “affordably priced.” Asked what that means, Tada launches into a dangerous discourse, with his press handlers getting visibly nervous:
“30 to 40 years ago, there was an AE86, and the price of this car was 1.5 million yen. At the time, that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car. In the meantime, there has been a rise in prices, and the starting salaries rose also.”

The starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen. In today’s undervalued dollars, this would be around $32,000. We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show.
All the specs that are available can be downloaded here.
Ah, the test-drive.

I drove the same 86 the Aussie hoons pirouetted through a sharp turn. All I did was make the tires chirp. At a test drive, I like to return the car as I found it. It drove very nicely. It does not press you into the bucket seat with jet fighter g-forces. I am told it will do 230 km/h (143 mph) and will go 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) in 6 seconds.
Would I buy it?
Yes.
 
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Love the car except the front foggies. Fog light area a bit like Mazda's styling. Shld have kept it sleek with the Concept car's sleek LEDs.
 
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High praise indeed if the handling is comparable to Cayman..but the low hp is puzzling
 
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yeah - will be interesting if they come out with a racing spec with 300bhp.
 
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Niva;707928 said:
High praise indeed if the handling is comparable to Cayman..but the low hp is puzzling

kuvesh;707942 said:
yeah - will be interesting if they come out with a racing spec with 300bhp.

i wld say i think this car was probably never designed to be a high powered car.

One by one, the challenges thrown up by the test drivers were met. But there were other people, Tada had to contend with.

“We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”

Their requirements clashed with another group: Toyota’s board. The board wanted a car that goes faster than other cars. Tada’s colleagues at other car companies had to contend with the same problem:

“We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.
Now how did we get the permission from our board? The only reason was that among the directors, there was a person called Akio Toyoda, who is a car enthusiast himself.”

It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.”
 
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The car was designed for younger people and younger people generally start off with lower income. Not accounting for that 1-2% of Singapore's Mark Zuckerberg or inheritance money.

More horsepower means wider tyres for better traction which drives up maintenance cost. (Imagine buying a $80,000 997 GT3 RS but 300 profile tyres cost $4000 a set.)

More horsepower needs better brakes which drives up development cost.

More traction and brakes needs better suspension which drives up development cost.

Better suspension needs better chassis rigidity which drives up development cost.

More horsepower needs a stronger and reliable engine which drives up development cost.

More horsepower needs a stronger gearbox which drives up development cost.

Stronger gearbox needs stronger differentials which drives up development cost.

Stronger differentials need stronger drives shaft

The list goes on...

So build a cheap and fashionable car, chances are that these cars are going to metastasise into a X-Wing tie fighter 5 seconds after signing the contract.

If you want horsepower, there will be demand for stronger components and that is where aftermarket companies come in.

Just google aftermarket gearbox components for current M3 and GTR and tell me what you find.

Remember mod = warranty void. Win-win for Mr Toyoda.
 
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horsepower is easy, find a junked WRX, rip out the turbos (or engine) and slot it into the 86. Am sure they saved lots of space for aftermarket stuff.
 
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I think the low hp is a step backward to me considering it took so long for the production car to materialise and the technology today. Its even lower than those jap sportscars of the past like the older versions of gtrs, subies, evos, s15. Tot wud be at least 280 bhp. Then they will 'milk' the consumers like raising e bhp slowly in the later versions of 86. I mean i can understand since most car manufacturers do tt but 200bhp in todays context is too low a base. I mean RX8 is abt the same bhp? Maybe the hype surrounding e car raises my expectations... Just lk when gtr 35 is being developed.
 
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maybe its design to be nimble, chuckable etc.
 
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Originally Posted by Autocar
Despite this, at its best, the driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don’t come much higher than that. That it can’t reach those heights across as broad a range of conditions as the German-built car shouldn’t detract from its overall success, because the fact that it can even get close is a minor miracle.


Originally Posted by speedhunters
Despite its 197 HP the 86 doesn't excite for its straight-line performance it's out through the corners that it comes alive. It delivers the kind of fun that you can't have in more powerful machinery. I know it sounds strange to say something like this but while you scare yourself silly in cars with tons of power you can concentrate on ringing the absolute maximum out of the 86 paying special attention to how the car behaves to your inputs and feeling for the feedback that comes in through the controls.


Originally Posted by autoexpress
Developed to be a reasonably priced sports coupe with serious ‘drifting’ and racing capabilities, we decide to switch off the VSC and traction control to see what happens. After dabbing the firm disc brakes to tuck the nose into a tight left-hander while holding 5,000rpm in 2nd, the initial hint of understeer is replaced by a welcome dose of oversteer that's easily controlled with opposite lock.

Toyota discussed at length its (and Subaru’s) decision to build a lightweight sports car that avoided AWD, turbos and high grip tyres. The end result is a stunning first step, that’s for sure. This car is a blast to drive and will without doubt inject some much-needed adrenalin to a lacklustre line-up.


sounds good to me
 
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