Going for a tuning later...
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starchball
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Re: Going for a tuning later...
You can refer to run #2 for the base reading
You can refer to run #2 for the base reading
starchball
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Re: Going for a tuning later...
Bro how do i turbo it?! hahaha...pretty gian to turbo it if theres an option
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers[/QUOTE]
Bro how do i turbo it?! hahaha...pretty gian to turbo it if theres an option
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers[/QUOTE]
starchball
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Re: Going for a tuning later...
better don't as it is not legal plus this engine block not very advisable to SC or TC....
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers[/QUOTE]
ok guess the easiest way is to save up for a new car ;(
better don't as it is not legal plus this engine block not very advisable to SC or TC....
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers[/QUOTE]
ok guess the easiest way is to save up for a new car ;(
Re: Going for a tuning later...
Run 2 is the base reading? How long was the tuning process?
The reason I asked is because most tuners are not precise about the exact gains from the base readings TAKING IN ACCOUNT the other parameters like external temp, humidity and other factors - hence a base dyno done at a specific time, with all the parameters logged will act as a benchmark. The post-dyno numbers will then be "adjusted" with a second set of temp, humidity and other parameters to show the actual gain. The term they used is SAE adjustments.
If run 2 is indeed a base number, your should see other numbers such as correction factors on the runs.
starchball said:You can refer to run #2 for the base reading
Run 2 is the base reading? How long was the tuning process?
The reason I asked is because most tuners are not precise about the exact gains from the base readings TAKING IN ACCOUNT the other parameters like external temp, humidity and other factors - hence a base dyno done at a specific time, with all the parameters logged will act as a benchmark. The post-dyno numbers will then be "adjusted" with a second set of temp, humidity and other parameters to show the actual gain. The term they used is SAE adjustments.
If run 2 is indeed a base number, your should see other numbers such as correction factors on the runs.
starchball
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Re: Going for a tuning later...
Hi Bro Kenntona, I brought in the car at 2pm and took it back around 6pm.
Why i said that was the base reading cos when they ran the first dyno test, that was the exact figures they showed me.
Apparently they are using this new dynamometer under the mustang brand which is supposedly taking account external factors, thats why they have a huge ass fan in the front to mimic air current. I might be wrong about the whole dyno process as it is my first time bringing my car in for such a mod.
Anyway, the guys are nice enough to welcome me back for a retune if i feel the upgrade isn't to my liking
Hi Bro Kenntona, I brought in the car at 2pm and took it back around 6pm.
Why i said that was the base reading cos when they ran the first dyno test, that was the exact figures they showed me.
Apparently they are using this new dynamometer under the mustang brand which is supposedly taking account external factors, thats why they have a huge ass fan in the front to mimic air current. I might be wrong about the whole dyno process as it is my first time bringing my car in for such a mod.
Anyway, the guys are nice enough to welcome me back for a retune if i feel the upgrade isn't to my liking
kenntona;937832 said:
starchball
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Re: Going for a tuning later...
To add on, from my layman point of view, i totally understand where you are coming from and shall ask them for those details tomorrow! Thanks for the feedback!
To add on, from my layman point of view, i totally understand where you are coming from and shall ask them for those details tomorrow! Thanks for the feedback!
kenntona;937832 said:
Re: Going for a tuning later...
The dyno hardwares are similar shops to shops, but the tuning process varies. You need to know exactly what was done to complement your hardwares. So at this point, you need to know:
(1) what hardwares you have done to complement the tune? "Hardware first, then software" is the rule of thumb. What was installed in your ride before the tune? CAI, headers/DP, decat, exhaust?
(2) what was the tune? Flash, piggy? Some will argue that an ECU tune/flash is always a better alternative to a piggyback as the latter fight with and manipulate input and output signals generated by the ECU and engine sensors. An ECU tune/flash changes parameters and targets in the software code in order to make more power. And it's not just the power number, but the sustainability of the numbers.
(3) what were the parameters changed? AFR? Ignition? Throttle response?
(4) check around against other tuners such as ESS or Powerbox and see if the (a) numbers (b) shape of the torque curves are similar to yours. If similar (a) and (b), then you know it was just a standard tune.
starchball said:
starchball said:
The dyno hardwares are similar shops to shops, but the tuning process varies. You need to know exactly what was done to complement your hardwares. So at this point, you need to know:
(1) what hardwares you have done to complement the tune? "Hardware first, then software" is the rule of thumb. What was installed in your ride before the tune? CAI, headers/DP, decat, exhaust?
(2) what was the tune? Flash, piggy? Some will argue that an ECU tune/flash is always a better alternative to a piggyback as the latter fight with and manipulate input and output signals generated by the ECU and engine sensors. An ECU tune/flash changes parameters and targets in the software code in order to make more power. And it's not just the power number, but the sustainability of the numbers.
(3) what were the parameters changed? AFR? Ignition? Throttle response?
(4) check around against other tuners such as ESS or Powerbox and see if the (a) numbers (b) shape of the torque curves are similar to yours. If similar (a) and (b), then you know it was just a standard tune.
Re: Going for a tuning later...
kenntona, can imagine if we ask all this to the china/malaysian/singapore hokkien mechanic or tuner, he sure blur face and stare back at you. u can only ask such questions to USA tuners like vishnu, benvo, etc.
such shops run resale downloadable tunes.
kenntona, can imagine if we ask all this to the china/malaysian/singapore hokkien mechanic or tuner, he sure blur face and stare back at you. u can only ask such questions to USA tuners like vishnu, benvo, etc.
such shops run resale downloadable tunes.
kenntona;937897 said:
Re: Going for a tuning later...
One reason why I questioned is simple - most of the self-acclaimed "tuners" believed that the hardwares are simply plug-and-play without consideration of hardwares. So car A and car B will undergo a simply flash/piggyback without consideration on exhaust mods, for instance. Pure commercialisation.
Some local "tuners" have this "self-tune" mentality on the products they are selling. Every mods is +X horses/NM as if it is parallel shift of the curves. Really that simple? We know the answer.
Hence it's better to question than to believe in a happy dyno.
One reason why I questioned is simple - most of the self-acclaimed "tuners" believed that the hardwares are simply plug-and-play without consideration of hardwares. So car A and car B will undergo a simply flash/piggyback without consideration on exhaust mods, for instance. Pure commercialisation.
Some local "tuners" have this "self-tune" mentality on the products they are selling. Every mods is +X horses/NM as if it is parallel shift of the curves. Really that simple? We know the answer.
Hence it's better to question than to believe in a happy dyno.
