Inconsiderate Cyclists

[Chocs]

Re: Inconsiderate Cyclists

..hmm..Jason, 2 be fair, Cyclists got 2 abide by rules, not only for their own safety, but for that of ours too. How many accidents hve we have read over the years, about motorists hitting cyclists, just becos either their rear lights r not working, or that they are cycling abreast each other...or tt they r being mistaken as tree branches...

..unfortunately...a tad too many....

Yes, give and take, whenever and wherever we can, road courtesy for all, definitely.

Antagonizing anyone, be it cyclists, bikers or motorists, is childish. And egoistic.

Truth is, SG roads r now oso getting increasingly endangered by, unfortunately, increasing numbers of China cyclists, lacking in grace, blatantly ignoring our roads regulations....most times. These type, needs to booked & charged heavily.


SINGAPORE LAWS ON CYCLING

Signals under rule 5 shall be made in sufficient time to enable traffic to take appropriate action for the avoidance of danger. Travelling abreast prohibited.
(1) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of another vehicle proceeding in the same direction except when overtaking such other vehicle.
(2) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of any two other bicycles proceeding abreast in the same direction except when overtaking such other bicycles or on parts of roads or paths set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles.
(3) Wherever part of a road or a path adjacent to a road has been set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, no bicycle shall be used on any other part of the roadway.

Bicycle to be ridden on left side of road

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed. Load on bicycle not to exceed 18 kg.
(1) No load on any two-wheel bicycle shall weigh more than 18 kg or be of such dimensions as to cause or be likely to cause danger, obstruction or annoyance to persons using the road, and every load shall be properly and rigidly secured to the bicycle. Limitations of height, etc. of load.
(2) No load on any pedal tricycle shall overhang the body fitted thereto nor shall the height of any such load be more than one metre from the ground. Bicycle to be ridden in an orderly manner.

No bicycle shall be ridden or propelled otherwise than in an orderly manner and with due regard for the safety of others. Lights to be carried by bicycles during darkness.
(1) Every pedal bicycle or power-assisted bicycle shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp showing to the front a white light visible from a reasonable distance.
(2) Every pedal tricycle and trishaw shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp fixed to the offside of the vehicle and showing to the front a white light visible from a reasonable distance.
(3) Every bicycle shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp or a red reflector showing to the rear a red light or a red reflector visible from a reasonable distance.
Restriction on nature of lights 12.
(1) No bicycle shall show a red light to the front.
(2) No bicycle shall show any light other than a red light to the rear. Requirements for use of power-assisted bicycle.

Reference: http://www.pedal.sg/pedal/Singapore_Laws.html

 

[Chocs]

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..A very lucky Cyclist...who survived...not mny. Either way, no one wants any misfortune 2 anyone......give and take...regrets r always 2 late.


HER ACCIDENT
Ms Kirsten Koh and Ms Orla Gilmore were cycling along Mandai Avenue on May 19 last year when Ms Koh disappeared. Ms Gilmore recalled: 'Suddenly, this lorry came up close to my front wheel, appearing beside me. The next thing that came to my head was: Where is Kirsten? Then I saw sparks coming out from the lorry's front wheel, which was probably her bike. The lorry had dragged her underneath. I thought she was dead.'

HER INJURIES
Ms Koh fractured both ankles and femurs. Her pelvis was shattered. Her left shoulder, fibula and shin bones were broken. The doctors told her parents to prepare for the worst. She went on to have 19 operations totalling more than 80 hours, needed 5 litres of blood transfusions and 60 stitches. She was bed-ridden for 21/2 months.

HER COMEBACK
Since coming off her wheelchair in February, Ms Koh has embarked on a training programme seven days a week. It includes swimming, weight exercises, stationary bike cycling and four days of walking. She used to run the 9.8km distance from her home to the polytechnic where she is a lecturer. Now, she walks. She was knocked down doing her sport, now sport is helping her to get up again.

'I didn't want the accident to win. If I withdraw from sports, the accident wins.'
MS KIRSTEN KOH

 

[detach8]

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Seriously bro...... I was a early saturday mornings road cyclist myself till 2 years back, always rode in a pack but followed traffic rules.... i've had my fair share of inconsiderate and impatient drivers, eg...overtaking me or our group and slamming on brakes to negotiate a left turn within 4 meters etc etc....made me rethink my life priorities and eventually hang up my cycling shoes.


Video at .36 onwards..... You sped up, then slowed down, got behind the 3 cyclists and horned..... When the other lane was clear and free of traffic. So what if its a single lane road.... You cannot drive on the other side of the road? Its a single white line, you can overtake and drive on the other side if traffic conditions permit.... I am sure you know your highway code well.....

THere was a bike oncoming, not very clear in the video but you can see the headlights. I wonder what is the problem with keeping LEFT? Or which part of LEFT do cyclists not understand? Must they ride two WIDE abreast and take up the entire bloody lane?

BTW, let me make it clear I did not speed up. I barely went from gear 1 to gear 2 before I let the gas off. In the video the engine is loud it does not mean I sped towards them. did not intentionally speed up as you think I did.

The unker without helmet and safety lights wanna ride in the middle of the road behind 2 mei meis and endanger himself and risk his life.... Then so be it. Unless you say you are off duty cop or Singapore's newest cape crusader.....Why go pick random fights and feel peck check / frustrated?

I did not pick a fight. I honked to ask them to get out of the way.

The first part of the video where I honked thrice, if you know that junction a lot of cars need to keep left to go towards the leng kee stretch. By occupying that one whole lane cars have to lane change then lane change again. You expect cars to wait and travel at 10kph behind these cyclists?

Your actions at .51 of the video, cutting dangerously into a space within the pack of the cyclists then last minute signaling.... Via 3 short clicks.... Proves and reinforces that you are one of those inconsiderate and reckless drivers. Nothing more nothing less.... Why couldn't you have braked and slowed down and waited for the group to cycle past then stop behind the stationary car outside toyota?

Btw.... Your video is essentially 3 seperate videos..... Your video editing sucks.

I cut out some parts of the video when I dropped my friends off and had a short conversation. You should have seen how they cycled with traffic passing them. IMHO, tax money went to build PCNs for a reason. If it exists, use it and plan your cycling route with PCNs in mind.

May I remind cyclists that cycling on the road is permitted ONLY IF there's no dedicated cycling path available, e.g. PCN.

And you may only ride with the flow of traffic, max two-abreast and must keep to the left at all times.

I have seen several fatal accidents. I don't think I want to see another one.

I am also a cyclist myself, and I rather cycle on the pavement even if you tell me it's against the law.

I may have cut the pack a little too close near the end of the video after looking at it again, I agree with you. I am, however, certain I was NOT traveling fast or jamming my brakes, I merely found the gap between the pack and filtered in as you would with any other type of traffic.

 

[detach8]

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..hmm..Jason, 2 be fair, Cyclists got 2 abide by rules, not only for their own safety, but for that of ours too. How many accidents hve we have read over the years, about motorists hitting cyclists, just becos either their rear lights r not working, or that they are cycling abreast each other...or tt they r being mistaken as tree branches...

..unfortunately...a tad too many....

Yes, give and take, whenever and wherever we can, road courtesy for all, definitely.

Antagonizing anyone, be it cyclists, bikers or motorists, is childish. And egoistic.

Truth is, SG roads r now oso getting increasingly endangered by, unfortunately, increasing numbers of China cyclists, lacking in grace, blatantly ignoring our roads regulations....most times. These type, needs to booked & charged heavily.


SINGAPORE LAWS ON CYCLING

Signals under rule 5 shall be made in sufficient time to enable traffic to take appropriate action for the avoidance of danger. Travelling abreast prohibited.
(1) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of another vehicle proceeding in the same direction except when overtaking such other vehicle.
(2) No bicycle shall be ridden on the right of any two other bicycles proceeding abreast in the same direction except when overtaking such other bicycles or on parts of roads or paths set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles.
(3) Wherever part of a road or a path adjacent to a road has been set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles, no bicycle shall be used on any other part of the roadway.

Bicycle to be ridden on left side of road

Every bicycle shall be ridden close to the left hand edge of the roadway and in such a manner as not to obstruct vehicles moving at a faster speed. Load on bicycle not to exceed 18 kg.
(1) No load on any two-wheel bicycle shall weigh more than 18 kg or be of such dimensions as to cause or be likely to cause danger, obstruction or annoyance to persons using the road, and every load shall be properly and rigidly secured to the bicycle. Limitations of height, etc. of load.
(2) No load on any pedal tricycle shall overhang the body fitted thereto nor shall the height of any such load be more than one metre from the ground. Bicycle to be ridden in an orderly manner.

No bicycle shall be ridden or propelled otherwise than in an orderly manner and with due regard for the safety of others. Lights to be carried by bicycles during darkness.
(1) Every pedal bicycle or power-assisted bicycle shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp showing to the front a white light visible from a reasonable distance.
(2) Every pedal tricycle and trishaw shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp fixed to the offside of the vehicle and showing to the front a white light visible from a reasonable distance.
(3) Every bicycle shall, during the hours of darkness, carry a lamp or a red reflector showing to the rear a red light or a red reflector visible from a reasonable distance.
Restriction on nature of lights 12.
(1) No bicycle shall show a red light to the front.
(2) No bicycle shall show any light other than a red light to the rear. Requirements for use of power-assisted bicycle.

Reference: http://www.pedal.sg/pedal/Singapore_Laws.html

Thanks Chocs for spelling this out.

 

[DriveAllDay]

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I have been a car driver, mountain biker, and road biker for over 10 years.

During this time I have seen inconsiderate users in both drivers and bikers:
1. Drivers endangering cyclists by driving too close to them, and coming out of junctions or opening doors right in front of them
2. Cyclists hogging lanes, going against traffic, running traffic lights, going on pedestrian paths; and some cyclists showing self-righteous attitude that upsets everyone

There are a number of problems with today's system:
1. No proper road rules regarding cycling: e.g. which lane should a cyclist occupy on a multi-lane road when making a right turn - right of right most lane, left of first right turn lane (ie. middle of the road), or stop and push along pedestrian crossing? None of these are specified
2. No dedicated cycling lanes; in rare instances where they are, they are dangerously or badly marked
3. Overcrowded road use for all modes of transport: cars, heavy vehicles, motorbikes, and bicycles. Our roads were never meant to carry today's traffic load

I have stopped road biking after being pushed onto a curb by a bus, nearly run over by cars and buses despite cycling

 

[diablo_728]

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To me bottom line is this, If you hit or are hit by a Cyclist ultimately only the the cyclist will be hurt leading to more trouble with law for you. So just keep away from cyclist. Its just like ppl who jay walk, if you hit them you are screwed bc ultimately the law will say you didn't keep a proper lookout. The most important question u have to ask yourself is can you accept that you hurt/killed someone trying to prove you are right.

 

[Racebred]

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Actually, rules are rules, but reality is different from who's right or who's wrong. Cyclists have a right to be on the road, but looking at today's singapore's traffic conditions, i'd prefer not to cycle because the odds are highly stacked against you. The logic is madness. You have zero protection against unpredictable movements of numerous chunks of one and a half tons of metal blocks. You are putting your life on the line based on the faith that random strangers with varying degrees of driving skills and attention levels will avoid you.These metal chunks just happen to be cars, which we are mentally used to. If it was an obstacle course involving metal blocks swinging beside you at 80kmh, and your army commander ask you to go for it, you'd be thinking about murder.

With odds like this, why bother eating right, saving up, exercising to keep fit, etc, when your life can suddenly be taken away from you through no fault of yours, other than the rightful choice of having the faith that random strangers will keep your life safe.

 

[jasonmaxima]

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@ detach8.....Pls send your video to TP or LTA if you feel you need justice served..... Not anonymously but as a 'concerned' member of the public, leaving your full contact details etc.


Correct me if i am wrong, judging from the type of bikes used... Its probably brompton foldable bikes, maybe you can go to their forum and air your views and share your video.

A little more patience from everyone is needed.....Our roads aren't designed to be shared by cyclists, plus the surge in cars over the last few years driven by a drivers of varying capabilities, mental eq and iq.


Thanks chocs for stating the traffic rules for cyclists. Agree with the need for lights, riding distance from the left kerb etc.

The unker was flouting traffic rules, i don't agree with his actions.

However, it was at night, extremely light traffic. The oncoming bike appeared in the video and left the video frame at earlier than @.36 in the video.

 

[Bat69]

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To me bottom line is this, If you hit or are hit by a Cyclist ultimately only the the cyclist will be hurt leading to more trouble with law for you. So just keep away from cyclist. Its just like ppl who jay walk, if you hit them you are screwed bc ultimately the law will say you didn't keep a proper lookout. The most important question u have to ask yourself is can you accept that you hurt/killed someone trying to prove you are right.

I am a road cyclist and a driver. I do not condone cyclist breaking traffic rules, beating a red light or riding through a T junction being the most common. As a cyclist, I have had drivers trying to run me off the road trying to prove a point or just being bad drivers with improper lookout. When I run/walk at Tampines, I have had my run in with cyclist riding on pavement and refuse to yield to pedestrian.

I have seen quite a few arguments on all sorts of forums if cyclist belongs on the my father's road, the worse on mycarforum, with some Internet heros suggesting that the recent death of cyclist Jude Tan, on Changi Coastal road, was 'deserving' as he cycled on the road. What have Singapore became ??? This is not the Singapore I know...

To sum it all up, you can't win it all or please everyone. Diablo_728 last sentence sums it all up nicely ! So, thank you.

I will keep cycling on my (your) father's road and I will also keep on driving, live and let live.

 

[snowmanyee]

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I fully agree. I often got hoarded by groups of cyclists along the single lane roads and despite having pavement speciall for them along Loyang Ave, they just chose to cycle on the road. There was once a cyclist riding along the opposite lane and i suddenly stopped while turning right cos it was about 11pm on a dimly lit street and he wore darkcoloured clothes and no lights so i cant really see him, but in time to let him passed. He pointed middle finger at me abd scolded vulgar language at me some more. Was very frustrated then but decided to let it go.

 

[iScoupe]

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cycle on Gym cycle in front a 60 inch LCD TV with youtube video - [video=youtube;6P_1c7fAn8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P_1c7fAn8M[/video]

 

[detach8]

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@ detach8.....Pls send your video to TP or LTA if you feel you need justice served..... Not anonymously but as a 'concerned' member of the public, leaving your full contact details etc.


Correct me if i am wrong, judging from the type of bikes used... Its probably brompton foldable bikes, maybe you can go to their forum and air your views and share your video.

A little more patience from everyone is needed.....Our roads aren't designed to be shared by cyclists, plus the surge in cars over the last few years driven by a drivers of varying capabilities, mental eq and iq.


Thanks chocs for stating the traffic rules for cyclists. Agree with the need for lights, riding distance from the left kerb etc.

The unker was flouting traffic rules, i don't agree with his actions.

However, it was at night, extremely light traffic. The oncoming bike appeared in the video and left the video frame at earlier than @.36 in the video.

jasonmaxima,

the guy whom i honked seems like a "safety bike", i.e. he's watching the rest from the back of the pack. i think the strawberry engine sound and horn is very loud in the video and seems distracting. i was not speeding and in no part was i "picking a fight". i don't quite understand how is that deduced. if i didn't give a shit about them I wuld have just overtaken them and i think that would be more dangerous than honking them and making them aware that a car is actually behind them. if you listen to the conversation in the car my wife actually said something like slow down... later if one of them falls down you can't react.

my concern here is their safety, my safety and other road users' safety. they could have kept to the left and not force vehicles to cross over to the oncoming direction. or even better, use the pavement. i am never against the use of the pavement. i cycled since young to school, i have always taken the pavement if possible... IMHO nothing wrong with cycling on the pavement. just be considerate to all other people on the pavement and cycle slowly around people.

i have nothing wrong with cyclists on the road but if cyclists are inexperienced and think that they can still go cycling on the tarmac road however empty they may be, i think there is really something wrong. especially at night where you have speeding cars and drunk drivers.

i have organized several night group cycling events with friends together with my juniors from my ex-CCA group. as long as there are inexperienced cyclists, we never go on the road. we plan our route using the well built PCN and usually start on east coast park. our damn tax money went to NPARKS so i advocate fully utilizing them. sometimes going via PCN the distance may be longer, but some of them are quite scenic... it's a leisure cycle, these folks aren't rushing to work or anything.

i was on the way to bmw performance academy event on a saturday morning when i saw the fatal accident along changi coast road. and on the right side of them is a popular cycling path leading to east coast and i thought to myself, why are these people on the road? the cycling path is well maintained and these people decide to risk their lives by cycling on a road known for speeding lorries and container trucks literally "rushing to the airport" freight terminals at the back. i feel sorry for the person who passed away, but i also feel angry at whoever organized that cycling trip to let everybody ride along the changi coast road.

 

[MW]

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Now I need to say something about cycling on a PEDESTRIAN pavement to those cyclists who think just because they ring their bells incessantly, it means we pedestrians have to give way to you.... FCUK YOU

I will NOT give way to rude cyclists and if any bike touches me, I WILL NOT hesitate to kick you off your bike

 

[detach8]

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Now I need to say something about cycling on a PEDESTRIAN pavement to those cyclists who think just because they ring their bells incessantly, it means we pedestrians have to give way to you.... FCUK YOU

I will NOT give way to rude cyclists and if any bike touches me, I WILL NOT hesitate to kick you off your bike

it's all about courtesy. just like if i honk you and you are on a bike you can also say FCUK YOU and not give way

 

[MW]

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Yes and that's why do not just assume anything. As long as everyone respects each other and shows consideration to every other user, then peace on earth

 

[VolanteDB9]

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Now I need to say something about cycling on a PEDESTRIAN pavement to those cyclists who think just because they ring their bells incessantly, it means we pedestrians have to give way to you.... FCUK YOU

I will NOT give way to rude cyclists and if any bike touches me, I WILL NOT hesitate to kick you off your bike

i have stood in the way of banglas and prc riders doing that thru crowded bus stop opposite my work place...some bangla dare to glare at me sia...prc will just act blur

but classic is those PRC going diagonally thru a huge cross junction la...knn i see liao also i wonder if some car i cant even see in my car bang into him.

 

[MW]

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If bang then orh bee lor. If u don't value your own life n think u r invincible then like I said...orh bee

 

[detach8]

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come on lah since a long time ago bicycle has been on pavements until a fucker go and bang somebody on pavement then newspaper say bicycle must go on road. cocks.

ps my bike no bell. i have a mouth to say excuse me, sorry and thank u. dun think its necessary for bell

 

[VolanteDB9]

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how about cyclist at zebra crossings...

Law says need to get down and push the bike...lol

 

[detach8]

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logic to me is because if u go too fast people cant react so i say watch for traffic n go slowly... on wheel or foot does not matter