Mods and mods- The outcome!
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Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
I know lah.. u got ICE i dun have..
Huay is right... my cyberspeed CAI did not increase my FC at all... Had it installed for almos 2 weeks liao.. Infect i realize there is a slight reduce in FC.... hmmmmm??... well let me monitor for awhile more than feed back hor.
BTW.. T6, your CF sticker sucks man... Redo Redo Redo Redo Redo Redo!!! hahahah
T6 said:
I know lah.. u got ICE i dun have..
Huay is right... my cyberspeed CAI did not increase my FC at all... Had it installed for almos 2 weeks liao.. Infect i realize there is a slight reduce in FC.... hmmmmm??... well let me monitor for awhile more than feed back hor.
BTW.. T6, your CF sticker sucks man... Redo Redo Redo Redo Redo Redo!!! hahahah
Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
Increase BHP i dun know cos cannot feel on my ride.. so i guess NO.. but high end torque yes.... din loss low end too. Can remove the cover meh?? The CF cover look so nice... Got discount if removing the cover or not? Since u dun want too noisy i say the cover should stay.
silky6 said:
Increase BHP i dun know cos cannot feel on my ride.. so i guess NO.. but high end torque yes.... din loss low end too. Can remove the cover meh?? The CF cover look so nice... Got discount if removing the cover or not? Since u dun want too noisy i say the cover should stay.
reardriven
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Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
If I recall, top speed is a function of power and aerodynamics of the car and not related to its mass.
If I recall, top speed is a function of power and aerodynamics of the car and not related to its mass.
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JuzzforCars
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Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
I seriously would like you to do the dyno @ DTC but you say no. I would also like to prove that hiop reflash is a total waste of money.
Don't let your money go wasted, we 1 2 prove it.
So how many horses you gain from the DMS?
rex7_vtec said:
I seriously would like you to do the dyno @ DTC but you say no. I would also like to prove that hiop reflash is a total waste of money.
Don't let your money go wasted, we 1 2 prove it.
So how many horses you gain from the DMS?
Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
as a customer this is my stand and POV. Not out to defame HIOP or J4C in anyway so dun get it wrong k.
1.) Base dyno was done at ST Power, pulled a 227.4bhp (Car STOCK standard)
2.) Dyno again after the camshafts, pulleys, air intake and exhaust went in dyno pulled a 221.8bhp
3.) Informed you of the dyno session and the disappointment, then u recommended ECU upgrade and said HiOP will increase the rev cut on my AUTO gearbox.
4.) Went back to J4C to do an upgrade ECU reflash
5.) Went back to ST Power again and pulled a 232bhp (Ironically, you said the ECU upgrade was not suppose to give me 10bhp)
6.) Dragged with a standard rex and was on par only
7.) Was told by you that ST Power's dyno is lousy and inaccurate
8.) You then recommended Autowerks Dynapack dyno
i) I did not do my base run there before, how would I know if the readings from this particular
dyno is high or low?
ii) You suggested that I put my car in to return to stock go for dyno at Autowerks and then put
back all the mods and go for the dyno again.
9.) I totally gave up because it is just unjustifiable for me to use my time during working hours to run here and there and have no transport during this period of putting in and taking out the mods business. I did say I was not satisfied and would want a refund. But was rejected flatly. I even asked what's gonna happen if I did go through with your suggestion of removing mods and putting back again and still no difference. The answer was a simple, "Then we shall feedback to HiOP and see wat other solutions are available"
Seetoh, you have to understand that when I purchased the mods. I expected a gain in bhp not a loss. I am already very disappointed and yet I still could not even get a refund. You gave me the impression that (If i interpreted correctly) we will go on and on and on and on trying to squeeze that power out and yet still no refund. All I asked for is the simple $750 refund.
The mods were very simple stuff ECU reflash $750, HiOP camshafts $2500, UUC pulley, Blitz air intake. Out of these 4 very basic mods, 2 of which that is supposed to yield the most power was purchased from you. 3 out of the 4 items are straight forward hardwares that results in either the engine will start or just die off.
All I put across is that I am not satisfied that I have to go through all these extra trouble to set things right when I already did what you suggested before in waiting, sending car back for the ECU upgrade and going for the dyno again.
At this point I want to make it clear, the ECU reflash may not have worked for my car for some particular unknown reason. I retract all statements (if I have made any) that indicates the HiOP ECU reflash DOES NOT WORK AT ALL for all cars. However I will not back down from displaying my disappointment when I am asked (I am not those that will start a thread to display my unhappiness) for my opinions.
I did not do a dyno run after I have had my car done by DMS. I did however have a drag with the same rex again (this time boosted up) and I was 3 cars ahead.
Seetoh,snowdog said:
as a customer this is my stand and POV. Not out to defame HIOP or J4C in anyway so dun get it wrong k.
1.) Base dyno was done at ST Power, pulled a 227.4bhp (Car STOCK standard)
2.) Dyno again after the camshafts, pulleys, air intake and exhaust went in dyno pulled a 221.8bhp
3.) Informed you of the dyno session and the disappointment, then u recommended ECU upgrade and said HiOP will increase the rev cut on my AUTO gearbox.
4.) Went back to J4C to do an upgrade ECU reflash
5.) Went back to ST Power again and pulled a 232bhp (Ironically, you said the ECU upgrade was not suppose to give me 10bhp)
6.) Dragged with a standard rex and was on par only
7.) Was told by you that ST Power's dyno is lousy and inaccurate
8.) You then recommended Autowerks Dynapack dyno
i) I did not do my base run there before, how would I know if the readings from this particular
dyno is high or low?
ii) You suggested that I put my car in to return to stock go for dyno at Autowerks and then put
back all the mods and go for the dyno again.
9.) I totally gave up because it is just unjustifiable for me to use my time during working hours to run here and there and have no transport during this period of putting in and taking out the mods business. I did say I was not satisfied and would want a refund. But was rejected flatly. I even asked what's gonna happen if I did go through with your suggestion of removing mods and putting back again and still no difference. The answer was a simple, "Then we shall feedback to HiOP and see wat other solutions are available"
Seetoh, you have to understand that when I purchased the mods. I expected a gain in bhp not a loss. I am already very disappointed and yet I still could not even get a refund. You gave me the impression that (If i interpreted correctly) we will go on and on and on and on trying to squeeze that power out and yet still no refund. All I asked for is the simple $750 refund.
The mods were very simple stuff ECU reflash $750, HiOP camshafts $2500, UUC pulley, Blitz air intake. Out of these 4 very basic mods, 2 of which that is supposed to yield the most power was purchased from you. 3 out of the 4 items are straight forward hardwares that results in either the engine will start or just die off.
All I put across is that I am not satisfied that I have to go through all these extra trouble to set things right when I already did what you suggested before in waiting, sending car back for the ECU upgrade and going for the dyno again.
At this point I want to make it clear, the ECU reflash may not have worked for my car for some particular unknown reason. I retract all statements (if I have made any) that indicates the HiOP ECU reflash DOES NOT WORK AT ALL for all cars. However I will not back down from displaying my disappointment when I am asked (I am not those that will start a thread to display my unhappiness) for my opinions.
I did not do a dyno run after I have had my car done by DMS. I did however have a drag with the same rex again (this time boosted up) and I was 3 cars ahead.
JuzzforCars
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Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
Hi Barry, my reply as follows:
Hi Barry, my reply as follows:
rex7_vtec said:
Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
5.) Went back to ST Power again and pulled a 232bhp (Ironically, you said the ECU upgrade was not suppose to give me 10bhp)
It is true that just by optimising the program, it will not give your car the 10 bhp increase.
If this is the case, then what's the point of getting me to upgrade the ECU?
6.) Dragged with a standard rex and was on par only
Base or STi Rex?
It does not even matter is it an STi or base rex, both times I dragged was with the same car. It was a the 225 rex btw
7.) Was told by you that ST Power's dyno is lousy and inaccurate
That was told by many others that went there
In that case, you should tell ST Power that their dyno is inaccurate and causing your customer (which in this case me) alot of confusion.
8.) You then recommended Autowerks Dynapack dyno
i) I did not do my base run there before, how would I know if the readings from this particular
dyno is high or low?
ii) You suggested that I put my car in to return to stock go for dyno at Autowerks and then put
back all the mods and go for the dyno again.
So that's why the putting everything back to stock is necessary to prove the truth.
9.) I totally gave up because it is just unjustifiable for me to use my time during working hours to run here and there and have no transport during this period of putting in and taking out the mods business. I did say I was not satisfied and would want a refund. But was rejected flatly. I even asked what's gonna happen if I did go through with your suggestion of removing mods and putting back again and still no difference. The answer was a simple, "Then we shall feedback to HiOP and see wat other solutions are available"
We never reject you flatly becoz we would also like to prove a point if the hiop program works or not? I have also told you that if its a matter of power loss or very little power gain, we will give the full refund. Did you remember?
Seetoh, you have to understand that when I purchased the mods. I expected a gain in bhp not a loss. I am already very disappointed and yet I still could not even get a refund. You gave me the impression that (If i interpreted correctly) we will go on and on and on and on trying to squeeze that power out and yet still no refund. All I asked for is the simple $750 refund.
We have done about 250 cars with the hiop program and we do not believe that it does not work for your car. For a refund, we would like to prove the program is worthless even thou its only for your car.
The mods were very simple stuff ECU reflash $750, HiOP camshafts $2500, UUC pulley, Blitz air intake. Out of these 4 very basic mods, 2 of which that is supposed to yield the most power was purchased from you. 3 out of the 4 items are straight forward hardwares that results in either the engine will start or just die off.
Honestly, with all these mods, how can the bhp drops?
Bro, you tell me then.... My BASE dyno was done at ST Power and after mods was done there as well. Your the salesman, I'm the consumer. You tell me why my BHP dropped. Is it totally becoz of an inaccurate dyno? If so, I will print this dialogue session and send it to ST Power to refund for all the dyno sessions I've done there.
All I put across is that I am not satisfied that I have to go through all these extra trouble to set things right when I already did what you suggested before in waiting, sending car back for the ECU upgrade and going for the dyno again.
If you don't do the reverting and putting the stuffs back, how are we to prove that its the program that causes the problem? And further to that, we have agree to pay for all the expenses for the dyno (before & after the re-do) + the labour costs. Not a cent on your end. True time is wasted here.
Dude, you still do not get my point. If it was a stated fact that I would have to spend my time running here and there just to prove the bhp gains, then I would not, I repeat WOULD NOT have purchased the mods.
At this point I want to make it clear, the ECU reflash may not have worked for my car for some particular unknown reason. I retract all statements (if I have made any) that indicates the HiOP ECU reflash DOES NOT WORK AT ALL for all cars. However I will not back down from displaying my disappointment when I am asked (I am not those that will start a thread to display my unhappiness) for my opinions.
Truly I understand you are not this type of person. I give you great respect for that.
I hope you do understand this. If I had went through everything you had suggested to do and got my refund in the end, who is going to be responsible for the cab fares I will incur and the time away from my work? If I were to be responsible then wouldn't I feel like a dumbass? Meaning I did not get my bhp increase I had hoped for and yet I had to fork out time and transporation charges just to verify that?
I did not do a dyno run after I have had my car done by DMS. I did however have a drag with the same rex again (this time boosted up) and I was 3 cars ahead.
Sounds great. Howe much did you spent on the DMS?
It cost me $2500 for the ECU tuning, yes it may cost 3 times more. But I feel very much satisfied having the person itself sit in my car, look through the ENTIRE map section by section and recalibrating them. By the way I'm just curious, how do you increase the rev limit on an auto car? Isn't the rev limited by the gearbox?
Seetoh, I am not seeking a refund anymore. Not because I have been proven wrong but I just feel $750 is not worth the trouble at all. So with all due respect, you get to keep the money while I have erased the HiOP reflash. However you must not blame me for feeling disappointed with the whole encounter and also try to dissuade me in anyway should I be asked for my experiences with HiOP. I feel this is only fair.
5.) Went back to ST Power again and pulled a 232bhp (Ironically, you said the ECU upgrade was not suppose to give me 10bhp)
It is true that just by optimising the program, it will not give your car the 10 bhp increase.
If this is the case, then what's the point of getting me to upgrade the ECU?
6.) Dragged with a standard rex and was on par only
Base or STi Rex?
It does not even matter is it an STi or base rex, both times I dragged was with the same car. It was a the 225 rex btw
7.) Was told by you that ST Power's dyno is lousy and inaccurate
That was told by many others that went there
In that case, you should tell ST Power that their dyno is inaccurate and causing your customer (which in this case me) alot of confusion.
8.) You then recommended Autowerks Dynapack dyno
i) I did not do my base run there before, how would I know if the readings from this particular
dyno is high or low?
ii) You suggested that I put my car in to return to stock go for dyno at Autowerks and then put
back all the mods and go for the dyno again.
So that's why the putting everything back to stock is necessary to prove the truth.
9.) I totally gave up because it is just unjustifiable for me to use my time during working hours to run here and there and have no transport during this period of putting in and taking out the mods business. I did say I was not satisfied and would want a refund. But was rejected flatly. I even asked what's gonna happen if I did go through with your suggestion of removing mods and putting back again and still no difference. The answer was a simple, "Then we shall feedback to HiOP and see wat other solutions are available"
We never reject you flatly becoz we would also like to prove a point if the hiop program works or not? I have also told you that if its a matter of power loss or very little power gain, we will give the full refund. Did you remember?
Seetoh, you have to understand that when I purchased the mods. I expected a gain in bhp not a loss. I am already very disappointed and yet I still could not even get a refund. You gave me the impression that (If i interpreted correctly) we will go on and on and on and on trying to squeeze that power out and yet still no refund. All I asked for is the simple $750 refund.
We have done about 250 cars with the hiop program and we do not believe that it does not work for your car. For a refund, we would like to prove the program is worthless even thou its only for your car.
The mods were very simple stuff ECU reflash $750, HiOP camshafts $2500, UUC pulley, Blitz air intake. Out of these 4 very basic mods, 2 of which that is supposed to yield the most power was purchased from you. 3 out of the 4 items are straight forward hardwares that results in either the engine will start or just die off.
Honestly, with all these mods, how can the bhp drops?
Bro, you tell me then.... My BASE dyno was done at ST Power and after mods was done there as well. Your the salesman, I'm the consumer. You tell me why my BHP dropped. Is it totally becoz of an inaccurate dyno? If so, I will print this dialogue session and send it to ST Power to refund for all the dyno sessions I've done there.
All I put across is that I am not satisfied that I have to go through all these extra trouble to set things right when I already did what you suggested before in waiting, sending car back for the ECU upgrade and going for the dyno again.
If you don't do the reverting and putting the stuffs back, how are we to prove that its the program that causes the problem? And further to that, we have agree to pay for all the expenses for the dyno (before & after the re-do) + the labour costs. Not a cent on your end. True time is wasted here.
Dude, you still do not get my point. If it was a stated fact that I would have to spend my time running here and there just to prove the bhp gains, then I would not, I repeat WOULD NOT have purchased the mods.
At this point I want to make it clear, the ECU reflash may not have worked for my car for some particular unknown reason. I retract all statements (if I have made any) that indicates the HiOP ECU reflash DOES NOT WORK AT ALL for all cars. However I will not back down from displaying my disappointment when I am asked (I am not those that will start a thread to display my unhappiness) for my opinions.
Truly I understand you are not this type of person. I give you great respect for that.
I hope you do understand this. If I had went through everything you had suggested to do and got my refund in the end, who is going to be responsible for the cab fares I will incur and the time away from my work? If I were to be responsible then wouldn't I feel like a dumbass? Meaning I did not get my bhp increase I had hoped for and yet I had to fork out time and transporation charges just to verify that?
I did not do a dyno run after I have had my car done by DMS. I did however have a drag with the same rex again (this time boosted up) and I was 3 cars ahead.
Sounds great. Howe much did you spent on the DMS?
It cost me $2500 for the ECU tuning, yes it may cost 3 times more. But I feel very much satisfied having the person itself sit in my car, look through the ENTIRE map section by section and recalibrating them. By the way I'm just curious, how do you increase the rev limit on an auto car? Isn't the rev limited by the gearbox?
Seetoh, I am not seeking a refund anymore. Not because I have been proven wrong but I just feel $750 is not worth the trouble at all. So with all due respect, you get to keep the money while I have erased the HiOP reflash. However you must not blame me for feeling disappointed with the whole encounter and also try to dissuade me in anyway should I be asked for my experiences with HiOP. I feel this is only fair.
Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
Dear snowdog and rex7_vtec,
I believe we have very much detracted from the topic title. Can you guys resolve this offline? It is not conducive to have an arguement like this in this forum as different people may experience different results from different mods, due to much variance in vehicles.
I have removed your posts, but i have saved both of your posting logs. Please do let me know if you would like to retrieve these logs by sending me a PM or dropping an email to [email protected]
Thank you.
Dear snowdog and rex7_vtec,
I believe we have very much detracted from the topic title. Can you guys resolve this offline? It is not conducive to have an arguement like this in this forum as different people may experience different results from different mods, due to much variance in vehicles.
I have removed your posts, but i have saved both of your posting logs. Please do let me know if you would like to retrieve these logs by sending me a PM or dropping an email to [email protected]
Thank you.
Whisky_Tango
Core Group Members
Re: Mods and mods- The outcome!
Bro... top speed is limited by the final drive gear.
Even if you have high power or lighter weight car, once it reaches the final gear drive ratio (say 5th gear) the speed will hang there, unless u have another gear ratio (say 6th gear) so that it can still go faster.
Cheers
TripleM said:
Bro... top speed is limited by the final drive gear.
Even if you have high power or lighter weight car, once it reaches the final gear drive ratio (say 5th gear) the speed will hang there, unless u have another gear ratio (say 6th gear) so that it can still go faster.
Cheers
