No Smoke Without Fire ?

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DrK said:
... btw by how much did that Desmond (PAP) guy lost to Yaw (WP)? Who has the data to share? If Desmond lost by big margin, then fielding him will be a waste of time for PAP.

General Election 2011 - SMCs 2011

Yaw 14850, 64.8%

Choo 8065, 35.2%
 
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The Singapore Democratic Party's primary concern is that the constituency of Hougang remains in the hands of the opposition. It must not be re-captured by the PAP. This being the case, and if the circumstances remain the way they are, the SDP will not contest in a by-election in Hougang.

Chee Soon Juan
Secretary-General
Singapore Democratic Party

SDP will not contest in an Hougang by-election
 
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kenntona;754222 said:
The Singapore Democratic Party's primary concern is that the constituency of Hougang remains in the hands of the opposition. It must not be re-captured by the PAP. This being the case, and if the circumstances remain the way they are, the SDP will not contest in a by-election in Hougang.

Chee Soon Juan
Secretary-General
Singapore Democratic Party

SDP will not contest in an Hougang by-election

Smart move. No three-corner fights please. Whoever wins in this boxing match is the cleanest victor.
 
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Ah sham also got scandals??? Spore political scene is gonna follow M'sia footstep sia...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52KantcuK4[/ame]
 
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unfortunately Choo or PAP just might win.
all the work that Mr Low built over the 20 years with the Hougang constituency has been eroded overnite with the Yaw episode. rite now, WP can only do damage control.
just like potong pasir, the residents are jaded with the lack of development in their area coupled with more push factors, things just might change.
even my colleague living at PP was saying "wow, the corridors so bright nowadays cos now they have 6 lights between 3 household corridor instead of the previous 2 only"
just the hard truth, shit happens
 
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sszone;755226 said:
unfortunately Choo or PAP just might win.
all the work that Mr Low built over the 20 years with the Hougang constituency has been eroded overnite with the Yaw episode. rite now, WP can only do damage control.
just like potong pasir, the residents are jaded with the lack of development in their area coupled with more push factors, things just might change.
even my colleague living at PP was saying "wow, the corridors so bright nowadays cos now they have 6 lights between 3 household corridor instead of the previous 2 only"
just the hard truth, shit happens

Hope not that's the case... Will be sad to see PAP win Hougang... :mad:
 
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Why the political potshots against WP and Yaw Shin Leong? | The Flipside - Yahoo!

Why the political potshots against WP and Yaw Shin Leong?

In a new column called "The Flip Side", local blogger Belmont Lay lets loose on local politics, culture and society in his weekly musings. To be taken with a pinch of salt and with parental permission advised. In his latest post, he wonders why the PAP has been taking potshots at WP and Yaw Shin Leong.

With the expulsion of Yaw Shin Leong from the Workers' Party for his alleged indiscretions, the People's Action Party has come out with guns blazing.

The political potshots are too blatant to miss. The cattiness of the remarks are difficult to read past.

Take for example, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who said: "WP has let down the voters of Hougang."

Or PAP chairman Khaw Boon Wan, who said: "I think it is sad that the voters in Hougang have been misled."

Both spoke about the issue within a day of WP's media conference announcing Yaw's dismissal.

However, if the PAP wants to apply stringent standards of accountability and transparency to any opposition party by calling WP to explain itself fully, it is going to be a tight rope to walk.

Because the one question the public-at-large have in their collective mind is: How candid has the PAP been in the first place?

Remember Steve Tan?

Let's go back in time, shall we?

The most memorable incident that should have elicited heightened calls of transparency and accountability was at last May's General Election.

At the eleventh hour, Tampines GRC PAP candidate Steve Tan was pulled out unceremoniously and substituted by auntie-killer and the very metrosexual Baey Yam Keng.

In the hustle and bustle, not much was explained, except that Tan had to withdraw due to personal reasons.

Right.

For any observer, the PAP did a fine job explaining very little about the circumstances surrounding the last-minute switch.

All the public got from mainstream media reports subsequently about Tan's substitution was a reiteration and smattering of cryptic clues that referred to "allegations" and "female colleagues".

I don't remember reporters stalking Tan, questioning his wife relentlessly or staking out at his home while rummaging through his trash.

No one bothered to ask our founding grandfather Lee Kuan Yew what he thought as well.

To further clear the air unconvincingly, the 39-year-old Tan then infamously said in an exclusive interview last year with a broadsheet about his pull-out: "I did not have an ideal love story or love life, and I dated people. But my conscience is clear."

Oh wow. That sure explains a lot, you almost-Member-of-Parliament, you.

And then what happened next?

Yup, nothing. The mainstream media wasn't too interested being on his case.

So why the sudden interest with Yaw Shin Leong now?

Lee Hsien Loong's verbosity

But whatever, let's turn our attention to the prime minister for the moment.

Within hours of Yaw's expulsion, PM Lee Hsien Loong spontaneously developed an opinion or two.

You see, this is very unique for a man who is known for his taciturnity and measured views in comparison to his father who could raise hell with each word he spoke.

For those of us who remember, Lee junior remained resolutely silent when Jemaah Islamiyah leader Mas Selamat Kastari escaped from the Whitley Road Detention Centre almost exactly four years ago in late February 2008.

How long did it take for him to make his first public comments about the jailbreak then? Yup, that's right. He spoke on the issue after 12 whole days had elapsed.
Well, I mean, I guess I can see where his priorities lie.

I mean, what's more important than winning back Hougang SMC, right?

Public vs. private

Regardless, we've got to love Khaw Boon Wan, who is also Minister for National Development.

This is a man who is presently tasked to clean up the housing mess that his predecessor Mah Bow Tan wrought.

And this is what Khaw, the PAP chairman, had to say about the Yaw debacle that has resulted in many people getting hot, bothered and rattled: "… once a person enters politics, there is no difference between his or her public and private life."

Oh, really?

Since you said there is no difference between public and private life, may I know what is your salary? Care to publish an itemised list -- with the bonuses factored in?

Lest we forget, you are paid with taxpayers' money but we still have no clue how much dough that's worth even after all that song and dance in parliament earlier this year.

Well, the fact is the chasm between the public and private life of a politician is as wide as the politician wants it to be.

So, that being the case, was the comment about public versus private life made out of convenience or conviction?

To further enhance making a poignant point, I'd like to propose a hypothetical scenario: should a Cabinet Minister's divorce ever become public fodder?

Will Khaw go so far as to suggest that a Cabinet Minister is not entitled to his bit of privacy and his personal life should be an open book just because he owes taxpayers a living?

But what I'm assured is that the public is noticing that this Yaw Shin Leong matter is allowing WP to come out even stronger than before.

The public realises that the WP has gone to the extent of cutting off a limb just to preserve its integrity and standing as a trusted political party -- as far as accountability and transparency goes.

But to ask the Workers' Party to be upfront and truthful with every detail is something that is even too much to ask for of the PAP itself.

And the public knows that, too.

Belmont Lay is one of the editors of New Nation. In his free time, he contemplates about what Khaw Boon Wan gets up to in his personal life.
 
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PM Lee Soot Lawya Letter... No wonder no time to think abt by-erection...

PM Lee's lawyers take Temasek Review Emeritus editor to task

SINGAPORE: Four days after sociopolitical website Temasek Review Emeritus (TRE) editor Richard Wan made a first public appearance at a social media forum, he was served a lawyer's letter on Sunday by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong for carrying allegedly defamatory remarks on his website.

This is the second time in the past week that a political leader has sent a legal warning to a website regarding allegedly defamatory comments.

In TRE's case, Mr Lee's lawyers are asking Mr Wan to retract a Feb 16 post and to publish an apology on his website within the next four days.

The five-page letter, which was sent by Drew and Napier's Senior Counsel Davinder Singh, made reference to an excerpt of a post on TRE which questioned Madam Ho Ching's position in Temasek Holdings.

In the letter, Mr Singh said the excerpt "alleged that Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong secured or was instrumental in securing the appointment of his wife, Mdm Ho Ching, as the chief executive officer of Temasek Holdings (Private) Limited for nepotistic motives".

"This is a false and baseless allegation. As is publicly known, Mdm Ho Ching was appointed on merit and through proper process."

The letter also outlined the circumstances behind Mdm Ho's appointment and highlighted past instances where other media outlets had to apologise for similar allegations.

Mr Singh also noted that Mr Wan confirmed his identity as TRE's editor after attending a public forum on Wednesday.

Mr Lee has requested that TRE immediately remove the article and all related comments as well as to publish an apology and the undertaking. But Mr Singh added: "Although our client has suffered damage and incurred costs as a result of the libel, he has not made any demand for damages or cost." Legal proceedings and damages and costs will nonetheless be pursued if TRE does not comply, he added.

Mr Wan, who is one of the five editors behind TRE but is the only one based here, told Today that the post was made by one of their contributors.

He added that TRE is "very sorry for causing unnecessary duress to the PM" and will comply with all the remedial actions.

Mr Wan said that TRE vets through all its articles before publishing them but it is challenging to vet through the feedback received each day. Going forward, Mr Wan said that they will be "more careful" before any publication.

Last Tuesday, Foreign and Law Minister K Shanmugam sent a lawyer's letter to well-known blogger Alex Au, asking him to remove from his website allegedly defamatory comments about the minister. Mr Au did so, saying he took Mr Shanmugam at his word.

Nominated Member of Parliament Eugene Tan, who is a law academic at the Singapore Management University, said that the approach taken by the political leaders has been consistent in protecting their reputation especially when it comes to defamatory remarks.

He noted that Mr Lee and Mr Shanmugam are not asking for damages and costs. "This perhaps suggests that the political leaders have recognised the new political environment we are in, and the need and value of a greater diversity of views being expressed by Singaporeans. Benefit of the doubt is extended in the first instance but it is not to be regarded as a licence for defamation," he said. - TODAY
 
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I am a Member of Parliament, not a private investigator: WP chief Low
By Fann Sim

Low Thia Khiang asks: Why should I take responsibility for Yaw's actions?

Workers' Party (WP) chief Low Thia Khiang has revealed that he had neither the means nor right to investigate Yaw Shin Leong's private matters and private life, stressing that he is a Member of Parliament and not a private investigator.

Low was responding to a forum letter written by former Senior Parliamentary Secretary Ho Kah Leong to Chinese daily Lianhe Zaobao on 18 February. Ho had called WP's decision to sack Yaw a rash and hurried one and he also asked Low to take responsibility for the Yaw Shin Leong saga.

However, Low's response via a letter published on the Chinese daily's forum page, he wrote that WP's decision was not rash and hurried as it had given Yaw a month to account to WP's Central Executive Council. WP had expelled Yaw last Wednesday after he was alleged to have had an extra-marital affair with a married female opposition party member.

"Although I have worked with Mr Yaw for many years, the members of the Party's election committee and I had no knowledge of the allegations about him," Low wrote. "I have neither the means nor right to investigate his private matters and private life. I am a Member of Parliament, not a private investigator!" he added.
Singaporeans Yahoo! spoke to felt that Low should not be held responsible for Yaw's slip-up.

Said a Hougang resident who declined to be named, "I guess Low is partly right. He can't be responsible for everyone and there are so many people in the party."

"But he's known him for the past 10 years so there should have been telltale signs of his behaviour," the resident added.

23-year-old graphic designer Cynthia Lim felt that there is nothing Low can do other than to apologise for not guiding his protege well.

"How else can he take responsibility? Low was like a teacher to Yaw and there is only so much that a teacher can do without interfering with Yaw's personal life," Lim said.

"This whole issue is blown out of proportion, but no surprise given we are a conservative society. It's a private issue and it has got nothing to do with politics," said Daryl Goh, 29, communications student.

"It's like employment -- where the employer can take action if it affects the company image but other than that, it shouldn't concern the employer," Goh added.

Meanwhile, the WP has reinstated two WP veterans back to Hougang Constituency Committee (HGCC) from Aljunied Constituency Committee to ensure continued functioning of the party's grassroots activities. The two are deputy webmaster Png Eng Huat and organising secretary Ng Swee Bee, reported Today.

I am a Member of Parliament, not a private investigator: WP chief Low | SingaporeScene - Yahoo!
 
Re: No Smoke Without Fire ?

1. SMRT ¢♂£k-up, many many delay, tie-down straps break, passengers up lorry - Transport Minister, please take responsibility & resign
2. Mas Selamat "Selamat Datang to Johor", Home Minister makes life unbearable for Singaporeans as we're all thumbprinted leaving the causeway - Home Minister, please take responsibility & resign
3. Orchard Road - flash flood & ponding, once in 50 year event, flash flood & ponding 12 months later (didn't know 50 years passed so quickly) - Environment & Water Resource Minister, please take responsibility & resign
4. Youth Olympics, budget blow up - taxpayers foot the bill, but hush-hushed & pooh-poohed in Parliament - MCYS minister, please take responsibility & resign
5. Foreign Workers, Foreign Losers, Economic Refugees, PRC scholars (with lousy results), White Trash influx, causing HDB prices to shoot sky-high, costs to go stratospheric - will the relevant ministers please stand up & take responsibility & resign please?

I could go on, but I'm afraid of wasting forum pages....
 
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Hit-and-run leh? Heard Hitmee like do that to lion.
 
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wobbles;756996 said:
1. SMRT ¢♂£k-up, many many delay, tie-down straps break, passengers up lorry - Transport Minister, please take responsibility & resign
2. Mas Selamat "Selamat Datang to Johor", Home Minister makes life unbearable for Singaporeans as we're all thumbprinted leaving the causeway - Home Minister, please take responsibility & resign
3. Orchard Road - flash flood & ponding, once in 50 year event, flash flood & ponding 12 months later (didn't know 50 years passed so quickly) - Environment & Water Resource Minister, please take responsibility & resign
4. Youth Olympics, budget blow up - taxpayers foot the bill, but hush-hushed & pooh-poohed in Parliament - MCYS minister, please take responsibility & resign
5. Foreign Workers, Foreign Losers, Economic Refugees, PRC scholars (with lousy results), White Trash influx, causing HDB prices to shoot sky-high, costs to go stratospheric - will the relevant ministers please stand up & take responsibility & resign please?

I could go on, but I'm afraid of wasting forum pages....


You Already did
 
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How come our Spore society and politicians' personal assessment cannot loosen up and be more like this one - >

?????? - ???

This is what I called transparent reporting.

Damn erotic. Politicans can also be poets..... shessh.

The gal is chio. Definitely MILF standard. Ok irrelevant here.
 
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extracted from Printed from straitstimes.com

PM explains why Steve Tan dropped out

By Rachel Chang
PRIME Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that 'there is no absolute certainty in any process of choosing people,' when explaining the unprecedented last-minute pullout of unionist Steve Tan from the PAP slate on Nomination Day.
'We're looking for many attributes, strengths and capabilities, and also testing for weaknesses, and there's no process which is 100 per cent accurate.'
'And even if you're accurate now, something may happen later on and we have to revise our assessment,' he said at a press conference after nominations closed on Wednesday.
Mr Tan, 37, told reporters that he had stepped down for 'personal reasons'. MP Baey Yam Kheng replaced him in the Tampines GRC lineup, while new face, surgeon Chia Shih Lu, took Mr Baey's place in Tanjong Pagar GRC.
Mr Lee was unequivocal that party leadership had not known about Mr Tan's past troubles, arguing that the change would not have been at the eleventh hour if they had.
He said that the party and Mr Tan could have 'pretended there was no problem and just carried on'.
'But Steve Tan is honourable, we are (as well), and we decided that awkward as it is, we just had to go through with this and made the last-minute change and explain to people: I'm sorry, something has come up...we have had to make a change.'
Separately, Labour chief Lim Swee Say said Mr Tan was put up as a candidate 'based on our knowledge of his track records over the last 10 years'.
On Mr Tan's decision to drop out of the contest, he said: 'I'm glad he took the decision before the GE. I suppose he came to the decision in the interest of the party, in the interest of the voters. I take consolation that we have responsible people who put the bigger voter interest ahead of personal interest.'
 
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In my opinion, ALL political parties are like that - it's all about keeping oneself in power, and making the other guys look bad. ALL political parties, no exceptions. What is really distasteful is the hypocrisy that somehow, the only 'clean' party in Singapore is the PAP.

That's horseshit. And downright insulting to insinuate that any other Singaporean that shares a different ideal/viewpoint/aim/hope for Singapore is somehow corrupt & dirty.

FYI Hougang & Aljunied sons serve NS too.
 

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