STOMP Features burning Cayman

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I guess no one can really be positive whether there was a proton or not ;)

That being said - if there was one, and he/she saw a line or porkers coming at it, how sensible a decision is to cut in front suddenly? Whether you are going +10 or +100 over the speed limit - something faster than you IS something faster than you. The speed limit needs to be observed by the driver, but if the driver decides not to (which would be the case for pretty much every driver on the NS highway), then it the machine that defines.

See porker racing up, dont pull out - see a kelisa coming up, safely pull out, overtake, dig your nose and pull back in...

Not taking anything away from the porky drivers - shouldve had more sense - but ( still carrying on with the assumption that there *was* a proton and assumptions are the mother of all fuckups) it would be squarely the proton driver's fault here - just my personal (and probably biased) opinion.

As for speeding - my favourite quote is (think it's from Jeremy Clarkson, not sure though) - Speed doesn't kill, it is the abrupt stop that does the trick...
 
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I have a question...... if you decide to test your car and try to earn some bragging rights at say close to 300 km/h, and some animal dashes across your path causing you to steer into an accident (or drive into the animal), would you and/or the convoy blame the animal?

What if it was a human who dashes across? All his/her fault whether you run him/her down or steer/brake into an accident?

My take is that both parties are to be blamed. Sure, the Proton was reckless (benefits given to the P convoy), but hey, when you speed on NSH, you should be responsible for your actions - and reactions, or the lack of, at those speeds. Both parties should bear the consequences. If only car crashes, it is fortunate. If human lives are involved, finger pointing is useless.
 
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kenntona;304259 said:
Both parties should bear the consequences. If only car crashes, it is fortunate. If human lives are involved, finger pointing is useless.
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Point taken. As for the rest, my POV is immaterial... so will let it be.
 
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axl;304231 said:
Just trying to point out that there's only a thin grey line between facts
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I don't think any car on the NSH should be expected to know how to deal with cars approaching at near or over 200% (sometimes approaching 300% the legal speed limit.
If this were the autobahn with officially no speed limit then I would think differently, but it's NSH where people go to abuse the system.

In cases where the everyday person fails to judge things like that properly, they can't really be faulted. They can really only be faulted if they hang around in the lane after realizing they're in the way. When the approach speed is high, then obviously the obstruction posed by a car driven by an inexperienced driver at normal speeds will be large and brake will be required. That is a result of the ridiculously high speeds of the approaching car, not the intent of the slower car to get in the way (he knows no better). We shouldn't expect people to be like race drivers and learn to deal with moron drivers.

Also I think there is a need in some cases where signs are obvious, to look at the circumstances and call the situation for what it, without a reasonable doubt, is.
 
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cant be him..he is a good driver. manual expert some more. also he cant be so stupid to tailgate at such high speeds....no la cannot be him. i hv many many faith in him. i read all his postings in details....hence many many confidence in his abilities. if its him i chop! centurion dun let me down! u r my hero...
 
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Maybe elma would know?


totoseow;304353 said:
cant be him..he is a good driver. manual expert some more. also he cant be so stupid to tailgate at such high speeds....no la cannot be him. i hv many many faith in him. i read all his postings in details....hence many many confidence in his abilities. if its him i chop! centurion dun let me down! u r my hero...
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Phew! I'm alive. I haven't posted in days because I went abroad for an urgent business trip, all the time my phone was buzzing with SMSes and some even phoned up to find out my status. Thanks for the concern, very touching.

No that was not me, but it could well be any of us if we don't take care. toto I'm flattered but don't share your total confidence in myself, but I'll try my damndest to avoid such situations.

It matters not much who is at fault really, in this context. But what to do to avoid or minimize such situations.

I've been up and down the NSH so many times, but still I often `almost' kenna this kinda situation, and the heavier the car the closer the call. My Honda Odyssey is especially prone to have to ebrake because some TRUCK or PROTON went right into the overtaking lane.

When I see a slow moving vehicle with faster vehicles behind him, I'd automatically (now) flash my lights, turn on my right indicator, and when near enough sound the horn. Too many times of near crash experiences have taught me that. Even when I do that, I slow down to something like 150 or less, try my best to sense the behaviour of the drivers behind the slow vehicle. If I can't sense I travel at constant speed, not faster, until I nervously pass the slow convoy.

When very near to the convoy, there is a great temptation to speed up when you see such a slow convoy, but that's a fool who takes that decision because you never know when anyone in the slow convoy will change their mind. There is always a temptation to slow down, which I don't recommend, because if you do slow down it will cause someone in the slow convoy to change their mind and think that you are inviting them to cut into the overtaking lane, thus causing you to have to brake.

This kind of accident is the MOST LIKELY kind of accident for fast drivers on the NSH. 250-300km/h is DAMN DIFFICULT to judge for the driver of the slow vehicle, I have experienced it for myself in trying to judge Ferraris coming back from Sepang during the F1 race day. They think you are REALLY far away but in a blink of an eye you're behind them. They usually assume a speed differential of 30km/h (140-110) but in fact, the speed differential is more than 140km/h (250-110) which is almost 5X the speed differential which normal drivers are exposed to, which means only ONE FIFTH 1/5 THE TIME they are accustomed to. What they assume to be 10 seconds of time to overtake now reduced to 2 seconds. Therefore, you must expect the worst, and slow down to create the speed differential which the slow driver is accustomed to.

And always always try to `think like the slow driver' ... one needs to empathize with the slow driver, possibly worse and less confident driver than the average, with a car which has much less accelerative performance than a typical performance car.

I don't let these incidents stop me from going to Malaysia on convoys, but one must be confident of stopping to zero in the gap you create in front of you. And the convoy leader must think like what I wrote above, or think even better than what I wrote. The NSH is a very very complicated road to drive in traffic, and a very dangerous one. 2 lanes is really a dangerous proposition, but fortunately more and more of the NSH is increasing to 3-4 lanes now. 3 lanes is far safer, with the slowest traffic 1 lane isolated from the fastest traffic.

The key is high SPEED DIFFERENTIAL kills. Minimize the speed differential in traffic and your chances of avoiding an accident increases greatly.
 
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Good stuff Centurion, happy to know it wasn't you... keep the lengthy postings coming :p
 
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centurion - Great to hear that it wasn't you or your car that was involved in the accident. There would have been a few on this forum who saw the white Cayman being cooked, noticed the absence of your regular posts, and thought - shit, hope it wasn't centurion. It's probably of little consolation to the owner of the car involved. Poor bugger, losing your car is one thing but watching it being consumed by the flames and not being able to do anything about it must have been torture.

Where exactly is the fuel tank in a Cayman / Boxster anyway?
 
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gas tank location: it's in front of the bulkhead and behind the partition at the rear of the front trunk - below where the nav system and CD changers sit.

I don't think that this is a case of the gas tank breach. Even if it did, it is difficult to imagine the petrol reached ignition temperature from anything there.

What was more likely, my speculation, is that the fuel lines got pushed to the rear really hard, and the metal fuel pipes snapped at the engine, spraying fuel all over the engine, reaching ignition temp and just start to burn.

If his car burn, can claim insurance lah! Put it towards the 2008 Cayman .... perhaps lose 20-30K thereabouts.
 
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Gas tank not where I thought it would be, but it is a back-to-front car after all.

Just as well the car was barbequed. Insurance companies, being what they are, will do anything to avoid an expensive payout. This could include removing the car's black box and interrogating it to find evidence of excessive speed prior to impact. Serious breaches of road rules could void an insurance claim.

As an aside - does anyone know whether an on-board fire extinguisher is a compulsory requirement of tracking at Sepang?
 
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OK ed, excellent. prompted me to type some searches and you're rite:

Flammable brake fluid

so all brake fluid is flammable .!

though the cayman, it's a stretch, coz the exhaust manifold is right at the back ... but it sure sounds better than my sucky theory...
 
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centurion;304801 said:
though the cayman, it's a stretch, coz the exhaust manifold is right at the back ... but it sure sounds better than my sucky theory...
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oh yah... back to front car... i forget... ha ha... my bad. front the pics, the rear looks more charred than the front, leading me to assume the rear was burning longer than the front. can you think of anything? i'm really curious.

anyways, though we haven't met, from the concern shown for you on this forum, i'm also happy to know that you weren't involved in the incident.

cheers
 
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PerverTT;304710 said:
Gas tank not where I thought it would be, but it is a back-to-front car after all.

Just as well the car was barbequed. Insurance companies, being what they are, will do anything to avoid an expensive payout. This could include removing the car's black box and interrogating it to find evidence of excessive speed prior to impact. Serious breaches of road rules could void an insurance claim.

As an aside - does anyone know whether an on-board fire extinguisher is a compulsory requirement of tracking at Sepang?
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Mate, Sepang is not Calder park, wear t shirt is also ok at Sepang. probably thongs to!!
 
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Sepang sounds like a pretty relaxed place for a quiet weekend drive.

Bring VB (or Bintang or Heineken or whatever) and drink when you are thirsty - can or not?
 
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actually that's a damn good question!!!!!! I have no idea! Just for self preservation I never did that ... but why not, damnit??
 
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