Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

canuck78

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Hi, any bros here have tried to detox your car engine that has mid to heavy levels of sludge in the engine?

Esp victims of those who followed the PML advice of 25k service intervals, or recipients of that by buying a used one that was serviced only 25k between 2005-2009.

Like to hear those that have done it and your engine is still "alive" and running now, i.e operation is successful.

There are so many conflicting remarks on the use of engine flush, using diesel oil, ATF, etc

Preferably bros that have done it to their engine, and resulted in cleaning up / de-toxing the engine.

What product did you used, how many times, the process, and your results after the application.

Short of an overhaul, or complete tear open the engine, and soak up all the affected parts in kerosene.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

I'm not sure why you are looking to detox your engine, but I would not risk using other chemicals for the cleaning. It might attack the gaskets and seals and cause oil leaks. And chances are that the sludge that you are cleaning out from an old engine is actually helping to stop oil leaks. :)

The most I would do is to go for more frequent oil changes. Maybe every 5k kms.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

douggie;881865 said:
I'm not sure why you are looking to detox your engine, but I would not risk using other chemicals for the cleaning. It might attack the gaskets and seals and cause oil leaks. And chances are that the sludge that you are cleaning out from an old engine is actually helping to stop oil leaks. :)

The most I would do is to go for more frequent oil changes. Maybe every 5k kms.
Para 1 - I agree with you. There was a video in youtube I think, that sounds the harmful effects on such 'detox' additives as it will wear out the internal stuff e.g. seals, etc. I forgot where otherwise would have link it here... and lazy to search for it :p

Para 2 - If I am not mistaken recommended by BMW (not PML or MA), service interval is 12k km. So if we do it at the typical 10k km interval, I believe it is fine and may not need 5k km intervals... of course unless e ride is heavily 'boosted', would be good.

Cents.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

For peace of mind and better engine efficiency.

Wary of using chemicals which is why asking all the bros here seems changing engine oil more frequently is the safest albeit slower solution, maybe 3-5k intervals.

Read another way is to drain and "rinse" by refilling with cheaper oil, then drain this to see how contaminated. Finally refill with good oil until next 5k OCI.

douggie;881865 said:
I'm not sure why you are looking to detox your engine, but I would not risk using other chemicals for the cleaning. It might attack the gaskets and seals and cause oil leaks. And chances are that the sludge that you are cleaning out from an old engine is actually helping to stop oil leaks. :)

The most I would do is to go for more frequent oil changes. Maybe every 5k kms.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

I get my oils from mxtradings.com... Think they might have it....
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

anyone tried redline sl-1 then do draining with cheaper oil ?

canuck78;882385 said:
For peace of mind and better engine efficiency.

Wary of using chemicals which is why asking all the bros here seems changing engine oil more frequently is the safest albeit slower solution, maybe 3-5k intervals.

Read another way is to drain and "rinse" by refilling with cheaper oil, then drain this to see how contaminated. Finally refill with good oil until next 5k OCI.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Ok will check with mxtrading

lkm;882431 said:
I get my oils from mxtradings.com... Think they might have it....
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Hi Canuck78, try autobac at Ubi, I saw an advertisement on a poster when going up the stairs that they do "de-tox" flushing your engine using their chemical solvent with a machine to remove all the sludge in your engine. If I never remember wrongly, about $148 for the service.

Maybe you can drop by to ask them. Hope this helps!
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Thanks bro, I saw this at autobacs but think its for jap cars only.

This method could be harzardous to engine seals/gaskets for older cars though.

So far all the solutions I read point to using the drain, rinse, re-top method over several oil changes would be safer for the engine.

Will go get pennzoil ultra or auto-rx to try out as that's done over several oil changes as well.

Deathchant;883236 said:
Hi Canuck78, try autobac at Ubi, I saw an advertisement on a poster when going up the stairs that they do "de-tox" flushing your engine using their chemical solvent with a machine to remove all the sludge in your engine. If I never remember wrongly, about $148 for the service.

Maybe you can drop by to ask them. Hope this helps!
 
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Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

i was told engine flush is useful only if you have done it consistently in the early stage. if it is a pre-owned car, my suggestions is to do more oil change. removing the oil sump and engine cover will also give you a general idea how clean/dirty your engine might be.

R2D has a thread detailing on fixing an oil leakage issue which back-track to the root cause - higher fuel consumption etc. its really a major overhaul and cleaning out the carbons and slut-dge i (around 5days if i did not remember wrongly)......didnt get more inform if there is any tone down version of that service.

if u manage to get a quote please share. cheers.
 
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Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

I think it's around 5k at least last I spoke to Dr Rod.

Going to try cheaper alternatives first before going down that route.


Niordian;884684 said:
i was told engine flush is useful only if you have done it consistently in the early stage. if it is a pre-owned car, my suggestions is to do more oil change. removing the oil sump and engine cover will also give you a general idea how clean/dirty your engine might be.

R2D has a thread detailing on fixing an oil leakage issue which back-track to the root cause - higher fuel consumption etc. its really a major overhaul and cleaning out the carbons and slut-dge i (around 5days if i did not remember wrongly)......didnt get more inform if there is any tone down version of that service.

if u manage to get a quote please share. cheers.
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

extracted "engine flush are use to keep clean engine cleaner....."
if you do not know the history of your ride i suggest to do more oil change.
if you realise, engine oil are a product with detail spec and meet industry standards but most engine flush are just off the shelf products without written product specification - again this is just my opinion.

me too wouldn't be jumping into spending that amount of money since my ride is good and smooth after the oil change. look into the engine cap tells me briefly my engine cleaniness and it might not be so bad after all...the fuel consumption is also pretty in-line and consistent.
i did a quick-fix by changing the air filter (stock) which gave me almost instant improvement.

do some search on youtube on engine flush, there are many interesting opinions etc :)
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Wilson0;909436 said:
Hi dear am newbie here and i want to say that i also have a car which name is BMW i recently bought

You name your car BMW?
 
Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Tried all different ways to de-sludge via engine flush kits, reduce oil change interval (OCI) from 10k to 5k in the last 8-9 months, but don't think it did any good given the thick level of engine sludge I had.

Finally took the plunge and did a full overhaul for my 2006 e90 320i, mileage 127,000 km after car was diagnosed with engine valve seals gone bad, and top overhaul is required to fix the valve seals.

Condition of engine before overhaul:
Very heavy levels of sludge, and burning oil (started with 1L per 1-2 months, until recently every 2 weeks, so from bad to worse).

Given i know how sludged up my engine was previously, decided to go all the way to de-sludge the engine and change the wear-and-tear parts along the way once for all.

Engine valve cover removed, see the dark colored sludge (oil gel) on every part of the cam shafts and rest of the valve-train:
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Cylinder head (top) with valve-train removed exposing the 16 hydraulic valve spring/top assembly, with the same bad sludge everywhere:
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Close up of the hydraulic valve-springs (set of 4 at top of cylinder head) with a thick oily gel substance, was advised might as well de-sludge the whole top and bottom:
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Cylinder head removed, showing the state of the intake (clean) and exhaust valves stems (carbon coated), this is the cause of the white exhaust smoke:
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Engine block (bottom), exposing the pistons. Conditions are worse than i thought, but to be expected with all the oil burning (hence the carbonised build-up):
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More oil stains/sludge at the crank-case, where the con-rod connected to the crank-shaft sits. This problem can't be solved with just a top overhaul since the engine oil burning problem affected the while engine block including valve stems, pistons, and also crank-case):
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After the entire engine block was stripped clean, this is the brand new result of the cleaned cylinder head totally rid of sludge that was all worth it:
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One of the 4 engine pistons with the piston rings replaced, and everything gleaming to a shiny metal finish:
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6 pieces of this "semi-circle seats" replaced as wear-and-tear on the crank-case:
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All the various engine components (left to right, top-bottom: engine block, crank-case, cylinder head, pistons, crank-shaft) after cleaning, inspected before the re-assembly:
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Overall, car spent one whole week in the workshop and after a few K's spent.

All the necessary wear and tie items was changed, including valve seals (16 pcs), engine cover gasket, pistons rings, con rod bearings, timing chain guide (plastic part), alot of other seals/gaskets etc

The result:
Engine revs like a lot smoother now, feels more power restored probably due to increased efficiency (was getting 8.5km/l, now 9.5- 9.8km/l) , and loads quieter than before too. Ticking sound from the hydraulic lifters which is common with e90, not so audible now. So far so good for the last 2 tanks of petrol, ar 1k + travelled (oil sensor level still at full mark) and white exhaust smoke problem solved. Funny thing, it now also smells like normal exhaust now, which i can't quite describe but when it was burning oil, it has this really weird "wet and pungent" smell esp noticeable after i stop the car and open the door.

Using BMW 5w-40 oil now, may want to try Liquid Moly 5w-40 next round as heard it's very smooth.

And finally no more traumatised by the engine sludge, was advised to keep to 5-8k OCI to keep it that way.
 
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Re: Tried and Tested Means to De-tox / De-Sludge Your BMW

Finally took the plunge and did a full overhaul for my 2006 e90 320i, mileage 127,000 km, condition of engine: very heavy levels of sludge, and burning oil (i started noticing maybe 1L per 1-2 months, towards now almost every 2 weeks).

Diagnosed engine valve seals are gone, and top overhaul is required to solve this problem once and for all.

Given i know how sludged up my engine was (engine valve cover was open in Jan 2012 for gasket change), decide to go all the way to rejuvenate the engine once and for all.

Took one week, and a few K's spent, the engine revs like butter now, quieter. It doesn't burn any oil (for the last 1 week from the oil sensor) and also no more white smoke in exhaust.

All the necessary wear and tie items was changed, including valve seals (16 pcs), engine cover gasket, pistons rings, con rod bearings, timing chain guide (plastic part), alot of other seals/gaskets etc

This is how it looks like with the engine valve cover open, see how sludge up my valvetrain is (esp cam shafts)

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