2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

[totoseow]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Family photo -- piglets / piggies overtaking pregnant mommy

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u hv this shot! i rememebr this very clearly. mommy had a little wriggle.

 

[jwwu]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Thanks for the helpful feedback.

1M Coupe? M3? Still too piggy?

JW, I don't know exact range of transmission and engine cooling options on the GTRs, but I am sure it varies widely.

Most tracked GTRs even those with aftermarket and extra coolers, go 2 + hotlaps, 3rd gets interrupted by warnings and limp soon after. The ones I've seen go longer than that, are all workshop GTRs and I would not doubt those are the ones with 20K spent on cooling, another 20K here, 20K there.

Read Vex's experience above with his GTR. Go ride around with some of the GTRs at the trackdays you go to. Look at the times and temps.

Please don't get a GTR if you really want to get your laps in on trackdays and progress as a driver. Instead, upgrade from pig to piglet, or from pig or piglet to focused cars Nice piglets to develop new level of appreciation for sport driving in (get manual)... GT3, Cayman, Boxster, Evora. Going more focused.. Exige, Elise. Then there are trackcars.

 

[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

u hv this shot! i rememebr this very clearly. mommy had a little wriggle.

Yes, I remembered as well -- white piggy very fast, overtook red piglet and pregnant mommy

 

[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Hahah Arthur, cool photo. No offense intended yeah? Not saying pigs aren't great cars in many other ways.. just less so in long stint track performance, running costs, driver education, etc.

Lol ... which is why we should move from the pig family to the TIE fighter -- like you said -- long stints, low costs, instant reaction and pull more Gs than a race prep piglet :whatthe:

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[Shaun]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Thanks for the helpful feedback.

1M Coupe? M3? Still too piggy?

M3 nimble for its weight, but far from nimble in the sport driver definition. Clearly a better daily and highway cruiser than a car for sustained, fun and intense track use.

1M, probably will be the cutest little pig to squeal its way down the Sepang main straight, for a while to come. Piglet size, but full grown pig weight. Short wheelbase helps yaw acceleration in terms of having major masses closer to center (lower yaw inertia), but at the same time the tires closer as well (lower yaw moment), so the major difference still comes from overall weight loss. Maintaining wheelbase while moving major masses closer to CG is best, but hardly ever done in road cars.

Fun and fast alone, or together... easy to do. But intense and sustained, almost without exception requires cornering capacity (for intensity) and light weight (sustainability). And IMO, sustained intensity is naturally fun. Some others disagree of course.

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Re: your Evo 3 lap fade.. pyrometer helps greatly, but you have data so there are ways to eliminate possibilities to narrow and confirm/deny tire fade without a pyrometer. Think of the process and then post it up in a new thread in track section. The process can be completed in a single track session with the help of just 1 friend for 20 minutes (say Kuvesh), and the rest can be solo.

 

[Shaun]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Lol ... which is why we should move from the pig family to the TIE fighter -- like you said -- long stints, low costs, instant reaction and pull more Gs than a race prep piglet :whatthe:

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Indeed, but few understand like you do and are willing to push through initial short term unfamiliarity to get really comfortable and quick at this much higher level of intensity, stay with the program, keep building on fitness. Focus on knocking tenths off one at a time. Equal platforms where anyone can whip anyone without large barriers of hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars. No electronic crutches, no excuses about fade, boost leaks, limp mode, just you vs the world in very equal machines. Facing the raw truth about quality of driving, tested at yaw accelerations, lateral accelerations, frequencies, sensitivities approaching and exceeding in many ways, F3 levels.

Instead sounding and looking good rolling around on jammed up city streets takes precedence. Monkey madness on the NSH, street ricer BS... then decry lack of hardcore local motorsport. Well it can't grow without support, so use everything we have.

Waiting for your new helmet to get in before getting FM down for some better photos

 

[AC Schnitzer]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Instead sounding and looking good rolling around on jammed up city streets takes precedence. Monkey madness on the NSH, street ricer BS... then decry lack of hardcore local motorsport. Well it can't grow without support, so use everything we have.

Right on the money

 

[harold996tt]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Different strokes for different folks.

Think that the varying degrees of intensity really depend on the individual. For me its about experiencing road cars at the limit of my skills. I'm not interested in competition with others, I'm not interested in intesity 100 percent of the time I am on a track. What I want to do is explore what the car magazines are talking about when they review road cars and gain a (bit) of an understanding about what makes a good car in different peoples minds. Fun, full manual, auto electronic everything. I want to experience the differences and be able to just say I have been there and done that.

Not interested in street racing, not interested in top speed blasts, not interested in go karts. But I am interested in bringing my road cars to the track and experiencing them in relative safety. I will one day bring my X5 to the track as well- just because I want to know what its about.

Competition is quite different. Going karting and comparing against others is the same as entering triathlons/mini tris versus someone that maintains max fitness but does not bother with competition. I go for regular 40km bike rides, 10km runs and 3km swims every week. But I'm doing it to explore my own bodies limits. Not to compare against another person. Hence I don'd bother with triathlons.

i only bother with improving my times against myself. With my equipment. Self improvement versus competition. As I know there will always be someone fitter and more genetically inclined out there so why compare with them. Self improvement is more than enough for me.

Same goes for driving. There will always be someone else with better natural ability, more balls etc. So why bother with the my schlong is bigger than yours world of competition. Around the corner there will always be better. Hence I don't bother to compete or compare with others. Thats my take on it and my reasons for just buying cars and enjoying them on the track, no matter how un track friendly and obese they may be.

But that's just my take and another side of the coin.

 

[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

.... 1M, probably will be the cutest little pig to squeal its way down the Sepang main straight, for a while to come ...

Shaun -- You are so fickle -- how quickly you forget the 1M's cute topless sister -- and she has 1 more gear too

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[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Indeed, but few understand like you do and are willing to push through initial short term unfamiliarity to get really comfortable and quick at this much higher level of intensity, stay with the program, keep building on fitness. Focus on knocking tenths off one at a time. Equal platforms where anyone can whip anyone without large barriers of hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars. No electronic crutches, no excuses about fade, boost leaks, limp mode, just you vs the world in very equal machines. Facing the raw truth about quality of driving, tested at yaw accelerations, lateral accelerations, frequencies, sensitivities approaching and exceeding in many ways, F3 levels ...

Lol ... and you forgot to mention the free built in Drift Box in the ribs that comes with the package :nehnehhh:

No pain = you're cornering on rails
Very pain = 2.5Gs baby :yikess:

 

[Shaun]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Harold mate, indeed in any form there is always the clock as a rough summary of efficiency across the lap.

What I wrote though, is in reference to the shadow class of driver that is always talking about how he's great, how at trackdays he never gets overtaken because he's the fastest car out there, tells everyone about his long list of kills on the street, how fast he's gone on the NSH, his SG to KL time record of 15 minutes, etc. Anecdotes about how years ago he matched times with such and such a race driver, so IF he had gone racing he'd probably be as good or faster than the guy who is now in GP2, etc. Always so skillful, brave, fast... yet all these comparisons don't even matter. It's just lowest of the low in terms of quality.

There are many drivers like this. Many are like that but won't admit it openly. I often find drivers at first always display such humility, but once you get to know them as a friend for a week or a month, all the concentrated ego slowly comes out.

And for anyone that says they like the challenge of control, high loads (if one enjoys pulling 1.4 G on a Hoosier vs just 1 G on a street tire, is it not logical that he would really enjoy pulling 2.5G ?), a vehicle that doesn't fade, so he can properly keep track of efficiencies and inefficiencies in his own driving, one that absolutely penalizes not applying the fundamentals of performance driving with no electronics to cover it up, it seems amazing that they would not like karting. Further complaints about how far away SIC is, how it is possible to waste an entire day if one goes there and a problem with the car comes up, overcrowded trackdays, etc. And here we have a track 15 minutes away with lots of empty slots (at times virtually your own track). That's all self, efficiency, the clock. No need for competition

But on the point of competition for those who choose to do it - there is always the full understanding that there'll always be others above, and below. The point is to see how far one can climb. It also allows one to check if his program is efficient. Say I drive a lotus, I keep practicing, times keep coming down and then plateau, and I feel it is really good. I am happy and pretty sure this is the limit of the car after 10 track sessions with it. Friend at Lotus says hey there's a factory lotus driver visiting and wants to check out SIC, willing to drive my car, set a time, give me some tips. Of course I'm happy to let him set a time so I can see how accurate my assessment is. Back to back he could turn an identical time, be slightly or massively quicker. And it may turn out that his advantage is not genetic and that the tips he gives or what I see him do, I can apply and it makes me more efficient, quicker. This is small scale competition and how it helps improve me. There'll always be guys faster than me, faster than this factory driver, but across time I just want to move up as far as possible. It's a constant fun challenge.

 

[Shaun]

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Shaun -- You are so fickle -- how quickly you forget the 1M's cute topless sister -- and she has 1 more gear too

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LOL... topless piggy... torsionally softer, heavier = floppy piggy

Joking! To be honest I feel it handles better than the M5 on dead tires. Haven't checked data but feel cornering speeds on the 1 are quicker. But then hot pressures on both were not set and unknowns (to me), so hard to compare I guess.

 

[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

... Haven't checked data but feel cornering speeds on the 1 are quicker. But then hot pressures on both were not set and unknowns (to me), so hard to compare I guess.

Can also compare the data for top up vs. top down -- if you recall, the best timings came end of the day when I had the top down, following Dave's M5 around -- you mentioned lower CG and better weight distribution with the roof tucked on the back

 

[harold996tt]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

And for anyone that says they like the challenge of control, high loads (if one enjoys pulling 1.4 G on a Hoosier vs just 1 G on a street tire, is it not logical that he would really enjoy pulling 2.5G ?), a vehicle that doesn't fade, so he can properly keep track of efficiencies and inefficiencies in his own driving, one that absolutely penalizes not applying the fundamentals of performance driving with no electronics to cover it up, it seems amazing that they would not like karting. Further complaints about how far away SIC is, how it is possible to waste an entire day if one goes there and a problem with the car comes up, overcrowded trackdays, etc. And here we have a track 15 minutes away with lots of empty slots (at times virtually your own track). That's all self, efficiency, the clock. No need for competition

2.5G on karts??? Ok there is the simple truth. I will black out before that even happens. And I need the straights of Sepang as recovery time from the corners....

 

[AC Schnitzer]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

Different strokes for different folks.

Think that the varying degrees of intensity really depend on the individual. For me its about experiencing road cars at the limit of my skills. I'm not interested in competition with others, I'm not interested in intesity 100 percent of the time I am on a track. What I want to do is explore what the car magazines are talking about when they review road cars and gain a (bit) of an understanding about what makes a good car in different peoples minds. Fun, full manual, auto electronic everything. I want to experience the differences and be able to just say I have been there and done that.

Not interested in street racing, not interested in top speed blasts, not interested in go karts. But I am interested in bringing my road cars to the track and experiencing them in relative safety. I will one day bring my X5 to the track as well- just because I want to know what its about.

Competition is quite different. Going karting and comparing against others is the same as entering triathlons/mini tris versus someone that maintains max fitness but does not bother with competition. I go for regular 40km bike rides, 10km runs and 3km swims every week. But I'm doing it to explore my own bodies limits. Not to compare against another person. Hence I don'd bother with triathlons.

i only bother with improving my times against myself. With my equipment. Self improvement versus competition. As I know there will always be someone fitter and more genetically inclined out there so why compare with them. Self improvement is more than enough for me.

Same goes for driving. There will always be someone else with better natural ability, more balls etc. So why bother with the my schlong is bigger than yours world of competition. Around the corner there will always be better. Hence I don't bother to compete or compare with others. Thats my take on it and my reasons for just buying cars and enjoying them on the track, no matter how un track friendly and obese they may be.

But that's just my take and another side of the coin.

Just sharing my experience. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you said.
I don't believe life should be full of competitions.

At the end of the day, you earned the money, ultimately you decide what you spend on and nobody owes anyone an explanation.

Perhaps what others may be trying to infer are individuals who purchase a vehicle and tailgate, instigate or bait anyone they see on the road into a street race, trying to prove a point. I think and I do hope that the general consensus in BMW.SG is in disagreement in that regards.

For me, competition provides the added drive or motivation for me to improve my personal best. At the same time I know where the competitor's benchmark is and I strive to surpass that benchmark and not the person who sets the benchmark.

There is a distinction between both. Many times, the line gets blurred, people get personal and they walk around with knives in their back unknowingly.

I am a firm believer that if one competes in motorsport for the sole purpose of comparing whose manhood is longer, then that person has the wrong Mindset and will pay for it dearly in later stages of his/her motorsport journey. This I have seen all too often.

It is in human's nature to assume that if nothing is going wrong, that means they are doing the right thing. When statistic catches up with them, they ask why. I look at the wreckage and say, perhaps you might want to sit down and rethink why you have entered motorsport in the first place.

Hence, if a person's mindset is to beat Mr so and so at the tracks/public roads or to prove my delorean is better than your batmobile, please don't. Dollars and cents in collateral damage is fine. Live is not. I say this with genuine intentions.

 

[Elite]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

2.5G on karts??? Ok there is the simple truth. I will black out before that even happens. And I need the straights of Sepang as recovery time from the corners....

Lol ... tell me about it, I'm still in pain from my bruised ribs aka the free Driftbox

 

[Shaun]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

2.5G on karts??? Ok there is the simple truth. I will black out before that even happens. And I need the straights of Sepang as recovery time from the corners....

No way mate.. you're so fit with all that running and cycling, it'll be easy for you Different open wheelers mid tier and onwards, pull 3, 4, 5 + G laterals, and approach 6 G in braking. 2.5G is nothing. There are kids and senior citizens pulling 2.5 G every day of the week, no prob. Cup cars on Michelin slicks pull only 1.7 G max

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Excellent post AC, differentiating competition from wang war heheh

 

[TripleM]

Re: 2012 GTR shaves 6secs off 'Ring time'. 0-60 in 2.9seconds!

No way mate.. you're so fit with all that running and cycling, it'll be easy for you Different open wheelers mid tier and onwards, pull 3, 4, 5 + G laterals, and approach 6 G in braking. 2.5G is nothing. There are kids and senior citizens pulling 2.5 G every day of the week, no prob. Cup cars on Michelin slicks pull only 1.7 G max

He's not as strong as u think...
Scuderia can attest to this..