Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
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bleachberu
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Re: Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
Personally, love the look of the 991. Many argue it has gone soft and more lux etc but if this is what the markets demand, porsche will supply it. They need to sell cars to stay in business. Plus they have they GT3, GT2, RS to cater for the sub segments and the 'hardcore' drivers amongst us.
However, given the current COE climate, IMO, the 991 is way overpriced. For a 991 C2S with decent options, you are looking high 500s? I rather buy a used horse or bull. The maser stradale also looking good.
In fact, I am looking to sell my M3 although I agree it is a brilliant all-rounder car. No presence unfortunately.
Perhaps better value for the 991 with PIs. Hear they are at the 400 plus mark.
Personally, love the look of the 991. Many argue it has gone soft and more lux etc but if this is what the markets demand, porsche will supply it. They need to sell cars to stay in business. Plus they have they GT3, GT2, RS to cater for the sub segments and the 'hardcore' drivers amongst us.
However, given the current COE climate, IMO, the 991 is way overpriced. For a 991 C2S with decent options, you are looking high 500s? I rather buy a used horse or bull. The maser stradale also looking good.
In fact, I am looking to sell my M3 although I agree it is a brilliant all-rounder car. No presence unfortunately.
Perhaps better value for the 991 with PIs. Hear they are at the 400 plus mark.
Re: Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
ya , u dont need 2 M, sell the M3, since u got a M5, and get a focused sports car like the 911.
skip the cayman/boxster..
ya , u dont need 2 M, sell the M3, since u got a M5, and get a focused sports car like the 911.
skip the cayman/boxster..
clar;828018 said:PM sentU are right, the big question is whether it's WORTH THE $ to do the change. I did consider the upcoming Cayman S, but decided to just narrow my choices to cars that i can actually buy. Boxster is not an option as i don't like open top.
The main reason to consider a change is mainly due to having gotten the M5. The M5 now takes on the duty of people lugging with 4 doors and that spacious interior. That means i no longer need an all-rounded car. The M3 is the best all-rounded sports car in the world. When damn bean counters in M decided not to build a Z4M, I am left to look else where for a 2 seater sports car. I am likely to trade in my M5 for the next M3 sedan as I don't really need all that size. All my kids are still tiny at the moment.
I will prob go do a test drive one of these days...
jasonmaxima
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Re: Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
@ clar.....used horse or bull FTW!!!!
toto, ryan & satinghostrider say one....
hetraa;828174 said:
@ clar.....used horse or bull FTW!!!!
toto, ryan & satinghostrider say one....
clar
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Re: Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
Horse is the ultimate car left in my bucket list. It's reserved for the pinnacle of my career and after I pay off my mortgage. I am not ready for that yet. Bulls are not my cup of tea. At this price range, I feel there is no better engineered cars than Porsches.
jasonmaxima;828184 said:
Horse is the ultimate car left in my bucket list. It's reserved for the pinnacle of my career and after I pay off my mortgage. I am not ready for that yet. Bulls are not my cup of tea. At this price range, I feel there is no better engineered cars than Porsches.
clar
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Porsche 991 C2S Driven
Called up my fren in Stuttgart yesterday afternoon and the C2S happened to be available for test drive so headed down to sample it myself...
The long story short, I was not impressed. I tried separating the issues i encountered into genuine dislikes (d) and "matter of getting used to. (u)" What really shocked me the most was that i dislike the interior design quite a bit. It has never been mentioned in any reviews i have read, but the damn signal stalk (d) looks to have been raided from the parts bin of Saab when they went belly up. It looked and felt like a thinner version of the crappy signal stalk in the Saab 95/93 from a decade ago. I do not expect this in a car of this league. My fren was shaking his head at that as well. In fact, he was all praise for the new Boxster and kept asking me to try it out even before i started the C2S drive.
Steering (u): Some slag off center like most steering, but a little less compared to my M3. Once loaded, it is very responsive and accurate. A loaded C2S steering is a tad more direct and responsive than the M3. However, while there is quite a bit of feedback when loaded, the feedback felt a bit artificial unlike the natural feel of the M3's. The steering is a also too light for my liking and the wheel lacks girth. This i figure, is becos i am so used to the meaty wheels on M cars.
Suspension: Not much to report here. It felt firm, but pliant, so ok.
Interior Ergonomics (d): Buttons galore and the dash board is a mess. The speedo is puny and hard to check out the speed cos they used only half a circle to illustrate quite a big speed range. The tacho dominates too much. Here on SG roads, i need to know my speed quickly for obvious reason, but maybe on the track, having the tacho in the middle could be useful. The test car did not come with a generous leather interior, so it was nothing spectacular on the inside, but nothing a few leather options can't solve. The gear knob felt too tall and girly (u), but this is prob cos i am so used to the short and simple looking M knob. I noticed the brake pedal is set up for left foot braking as it's located quite a fair bit to the left. The car also has a small turning radius and felt agile.
Drive train: (d) The PDK is no match for the M-DCT in terms of speed and responsiveness. The sound the M-DCT makes is also more visceral and mechanical. The PDK at auto mode is nothing like the telepathic M-DCT at D5 even when set to Sports mode. It is smoother when potting around at low speed however and moves when you take the foot off the brakes. My wife will love that. The test car did not come with Sports exhaust. It takes some getting used to having the sound coming exclusively from behind. The engine note is no where near the music produced by the S65 V8. The engine does rev eagerly and is deceptively fast in a similar fashion like the M3, but with less drama. The test car came with crappy push/pull shifter. I have had experience with push/pull shifters in my previous 2 1-series and they felt pretty ok and intuitive. The way the push is implemented is not intuitive on the Porker. You are pushing it into the steering wheel like a button. Fail on the shifters. Their test car should have the optional paddle shifters and nothing else.
Conclusion: No-go as far as upgrade is concerned. I walked away from the test drive taking away nothing with me as far as likes are concerned. I had expected more If only the next generation Aston Vantage is upon us now. The current model is too dated to be a viable option...
Called up my fren in Stuttgart yesterday afternoon and the C2S happened to be available for test drive so headed down to sample it myself...
The long story short, I was not impressed. I tried separating the issues i encountered into genuine dislikes (d) and "matter of getting used to. (u)" What really shocked me the most was that i dislike the interior design quite a bit. It has never been mentioned in any reviews i have read, but the damn signal stalk (d) looks to have been raided from the parts bin of Saab when they went belly up. It looked and felt like a thinner version of the crappy signal stalk in the Saab 95/93 from a decade ago. I do not expect this in a car of this league. My fren was shaking his head at that as well. In fact, he was all praise for the new Boxster and kept asking me to try it out even before i started the C2S drive.
Steering (u): Some slag off center like most steering, but a little less compared to my M3. Once loaded, it is very responsive and accurate. A loaded C2S steering is a tad more direct and responsive than the M3. However, while there is quite a bit of feedback when loaded, the feedback felt a bit artificial unlike the natural feel of the M3's. The steering is a also too light for my liking and the wheel lacks girth. This i figure, is becos i am so used to the meaty wheels on M cars.
Suspension: Not much to report here. It felt firm, but pliant, so ok.
Interior Ergonomics (d): Buttons galore and the dash board is a mess. The speedo is puny and hard to check out the speed cos they used only half a circle to illustrate quite a big speed range. The tacho dominates too much. Here on SG roads, i need to know my speed quickly for obvious reason, but maybe on the track, having the tacho in the middle could be useful. The test car did not come with a generous leather interior, so it was nothing spectacular on the inside, but nothing a few leather options can't solve. The gear knob felt too tall and girly (u), but this is prob cos i am so used to the short and simple looking M knob. I noticed the brake pedal is set up for left foot braking as it's located quite a fair bit to the left. The car also has a small turning radius and felt agile.
Drive train: (d) The PDK is no match for the M-DCT in terms of speed and responsiveness. The sound the M-DCT makes is also more visceral and mechanical. The PDK at auto mode is nothing like the telepathic M-DCT at D5 even when set to Sports mode. It is smoother when potting around at low speed however and moves when you take the foot off the brakes. My wife will love that. The test car did not come with Sports exhaust. It takes some getting used to having the sound coming exclusively from behind. The engine note is no where near the music produced by the S65 V8. The engine does rev eagerly and is deceptively fast in a similar fashion like the M3, but with less drama. The test car came with crappy push/pull shifter. I have had experience with push/pull shifters in my previous 2 1-series and they felt pretty ok and intuitive. The way the push is implemented is not intuitive on the Porker. You are pushing it into the steering wheel like a button. Fail on the shifters. Their test car should have the optional paddle shifters and nothing else.
Conclusion: No-go as far as upgrade is concerned. I walked away from the test drive taking away nothing with me as far as likes are concerned. I had expected more
If only the next generation Aston Vantage is upon us now. The current model is too dated to be a viable option...
Re: Porsche 991 C2S Driven
i think u need to compare m3 vs 991 gt3 when its out, cos the c2s will be too soft and consumer-like and not guillotine sharp like GT3.
C2s can compare with consumer 3 series like 320-330..
Steering : now the 991 uses electro steering, which will put off purists..maybe too loose compared to hydraulic version. but i think new tech, sure to stay. its like last time aircool to water cool tech, purists were pissed off, but over time pple used to it..
Interior Ergonomics: porsche tacho design been there for some time...its their style...some pple love it. for the interior, it follows the panamera look...which is a improvement from the 997.
i think u need to compare m3 vs 991 gt3 when its out, cos the c2s will be too soft and consumer-like and not guillotine sharp like GT3.
C2s can compare with consumer 3 series like 320-330..
Steering : now the 991 uses electro steering, which will put off purists..maybe too loose compared to hydraulic version. but i think new tech, sure to stay. its like last time aircool to water cool tech, purists were pissed off, but over time pple used to it..
Interior Ergonomics: porsche tacho design been there for some time...its their style...some pple love it. for the interior, it follows the panamera look...which is a improvement from the 997.
sandman369
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Re: Porsche 991 C2S Driven
how could one compare C2S with 3 series and M3 with GT3? Porsche is in a different class. The folks in Stuttgart would puke blood if they were to see this
hetraa;829047 said:
how could one compare C2S with 3 series and M3 with GT3? Porsche is in a different class. The folks in Stuttgart would puke blood if they were to see this
jasonmaxima
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Re: Anyone driven the new Porsche 991 C2S
the center tua tua tach is Porsche design language.... part of the racing heritage Porsche has passed down through the years.
the key hole on side of the driver's side door....meaning .... right hand drive, key hole on right side as you open and enter the car. left hand drive, key hole on left side as you enter the door....
reason is years ago...Lemans races.... cars are parked on one side, drivers get out the car and line up on the other side, when the green flag is waved, the drivers sprint / run into their cars, slot in the keys and start the race. Hence this design language.
as for steering feel... admittedly, yet to try the new 991... but I have driven a friend's 997 a few times, and the steering is so much 'sharper' than M3.
the center tua tua tach is Porsche design language.... part of the racing heritage Porsche has passed down through the years.
the key hole on side of the driver's side door....meaning .... right hand drive, key hole on right side as you open and enter the car. left hand drive, key hole on left side as you enter the door....
reason is years ago...Lemans races.... cars are parked on one side, drivers get out the car and line up on the other side, when the green flag is waved, the drivers sprint / run into their cars, slot in the keys and start the race. Hence this design language.
as for steering feel... admittedly, yet to try the new 991... but I have driven a friend's 997 a few times, and the steering is so much 'sharper' than M3.
clar
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Re: Porsche 991 C2S Driven
I wouldn't compare going electric steering with air cooled to water cooled. Cooling does not have that much of an influence when it comes to feel. It's more of an idea than anything. I do agree that electric steering will get better over time.
hetraa;829047 said:
I wouldn't compare going electric steering with air cooled to water cooled. Cooling does not have that much of an influence when it comes to feel. It's more of an idea than anything. I do agree that electric steering will get better over time.
clar
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Re: Porsche 991 C2S Driven
Agree. Don't think C2S should be spoken of in the same breath as a 3 series. It's fair game against the M3 though. It does seem i do not belong to the 911 loving group since i don't seem to like their signature design elements. It just doesn't feel special enough when i am seated behind the wheel.
sandman369;829067 said:how could one compare C2S with 3 series and M3 with GT3? Porsche is in a different class. The folks in Stuttgart would puke blood if they were to see this
Agree. Don't think C2S should be spoken of in the same breath as a 3 series. It's fair game against the M3 though. It does seem i do not belong to the 911 loving group since i don't seem to like their signature design elements. It just doesn't feel special enough when i am seated behind the wheel.
Re: Porsche 991 C2S Driven
Agree Porsche is different class. Norm 3 series cannot measure up. Diff league.
sandman369;829067 said:how could one compare C2S with 3 series and M3 with GT3? Porsche is in a different class. The folks in Stuttgart would puke blood if they were to see this
Agree Porsche is different class. Norm 3 series cannot measure up. Diff league.
