Bull vs Horse
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Re: Bull vs Horse
When people say they'll never find the limits of a car, what is stopping them? No time? The $ risk? Cos it can't be the physics.
If you run a car to 99% limit using pro factory driver as a reference, surely you are still appreciating almost all of car and can differentiate between a different make or model of the car also at 99%. If you run the same or better times vs pro factory driver does it mean that the factory driver doesn't drive the limit and doesn't even understand the marque for which he drives? At what point has someone used 100% of a car?
When people say they'll never find the limits of a car, what is stopping them? No time? The $ risk? Cos it can't be the physics.
If you run a car to 99% limit using pro factory driver as a reference, surely you are still appreciating almost all of car and can differentiate between a different make or model of the car also at 99%. If you run the same or better times vs pro factory driver does it mean that the factory driver doesn't drive the limit and doesn't even understand the marque for which he drives? At what point has someone used 100% of a car?
clar
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Re: Bull vs Horse
I don't think we are talking abt limits here. Any idiot can reach the limits. In fact, idiots are better at finding limits. We are talking about extracting the most performance out of a car. This is limited by both skills and opportunities, and of course, potential $$ losses. On public roads, not much to talk abt here. Unless one takes the car up North to track, there is not much opportunity to explore the limits safely.
Shaun;885831 said:
I don't think we are talking abt limits here. Any idiot can reach the limits. In fact, idiots are better at finding limits. We are talking about extracting the most performance out of a car. This is limited by both skills and opportunities, and of course, potential $$ losses. On public roads, not much to talk abt here. Unless one takes the car up North to track, there is not much opportunity to explore the limits safely.
Re: Bull vs Horse
Who ask you to kart?
That's why I don't kart. My bones will turn to talcum powder.
If Shaun buys my M3 at S$350,000, then I will get a Camry for daily drive and go karting on weekends.
100% of the car's ability is utilised when pulling chicks. The question that nobody wants to ask yet want the answer to is: Fezza or Lambo gets you more pussy?
All these cars are no doubt fast and give good lateral Gs, but the difference is how it gets it done. Not driving at the limit experience but how does the driver feel piloting the car around town, perhaps going a bit faster than average? How can we quantify and describe driving feel accurately? What does the marques stand for and represent? Ownership costs must, and have rightfully, been discussed. In an ideal world, we would have one of each in every colour combination. So it's never about the physics. It's about how all these physics on a paper tickle our senses.
Precisely. I thought they will give the best offer to support the prices of their own cars. I was mistaken. SGCarmart people are overly optimistic on their pricing. Of course, dealers will always low ball, so if you look at the middle ground, it is $300k to $320k after one year, there abouts. Super sad state.
I want to experience all the different kinds of cars out there and find the one best for me. It is a quest. Also so I can tell people I have owned many cars, so I da Man!
totoseow;885830 said:
Who ask you to kart?
That's why I don't kart. My bones will turn to talcum powder.
If Shaun buys my M3 at S$350,000, then I will get a Camry for daily drive and go karting on weekends.
Shaun;885831 said:
100% of the car's ability is utilised when pulling chicks. The question that nobody wants to ask yet want the answer to is: Fezza or Lambo gets you more pussy?
All these cars are no doubt fast and give good lateral Gs, but the difference is how it gets it done. Not driving at the limit experience but how does the driver feel piloting the car around town, perhaps going a bit faster than average? How can we quantify and describe driving feel accurately? What does the marques stand for and represent? Ownership costs must, and have rightfully, been discussed. In an ideal world, we would have one of each in every colour combination. So it's never about the physics. It's about how all these physics on a paper tickle our senses.
clar;885833 said:
Precisely. I thought they will give the best offer to support the prices of their own cars. I was mistaken. SGCarmart people are overly optimistic on their pricing. Of course, dealers will always low ball, so if you look at the middle ground, it is $300k to $320k after one year, there abouts. Super sad state.
golfgti;885840 said:
I want to experience all the different kinds of cars out there and find the one best for me. It is a quest. Also so I can tell people I have owned many cars, so I da Man!
Re: Bull vs Horse
Obviously I meant the limit under control (the edge), not over limit and in a wall. Idiots cross over the limit; they don't try and find the limit and drive it.
The fact that almost all the supercar guys prefer to use the car only cruising or in a straight line, or on rails with the electronics working overtime - all of which requires almost no skill or effort, does not mean that no one will, can, or should try to push limits on track and really understand the car and feel what its designers intended.
The limited 5 or so samples of data, video, and times off factory drivers from different marques, driving roadcars, as well as F1, GT, Touring car drivers in supercars, roadcars, lower end trackcars and racecars, also driven by the sharpest enthusiasts, has never been much different or surprising. The nature of these physically limited vehicles doesn't allow the pros to really differentiate themselves - unlike with classes designed to run much higher limits (more difficult to drive).
I just think that instead of just repeating that it's unattainable or a far out goal, it should be encouraged and listed as feasible with a little bit of effort. It's all choice. Chances are after doing so the owners will appreciate the car so much more, having realized the large difference vs lesser cars. Not just looks and noise, but dynamics...more in the direction of real sport driving. Sportscars, sport driving
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Tanzy, your post is exactly that of the typical wanker. Ferrari relies on wankers to fund racing and is the only reason they are tolerated, entertained. If Ferrari had other funding, they would have nothing to do with you.
clar;885839 said:
Obviously I meant the limit under control (the edge), not over limit and in a wall. Idiots cross over the limit; they don't try and find the limit and drive it.
The fact that almost all the supercar guys prefer to use the car only cruising or in a straight line, or on rails with the electronics working overtime - all of which requires almost no skill or effort, does not mean that no one will, can, or should try to push limits on track and really understand the car and feel what its designers intended.
The limited 5 or so samples of data, video, and times off factory drivers from different marques, driving roadcars, as well as F1, GT, Touring car drivers in supercars, roadcars, lower end trackcars and racecars, also driven by the sharpest enthusiasts, has never been much different or surprising. The nature of these physically limited vehicles doesn't allow the pros to really differentiate themselves - unlike with classes designed to run much higher limits (more difficult to drive).
I just think that instead of just repeating that it's unattainable or a far out goal, it should be encouraged and listed as feasible with a little bit of effort. It's all choice. Chances are after doing so the owners will appreciate the car so much more, having realized the large difference vs lesser cars. Not just looks and noise, but dynamics...more in the direction of real sport driving. Sportscars, sport driving
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Tanzy, your post is exactly that of the typical wanker. Ferrari relies on wankers to fund racing and is the only reason they are tolerated, entertained.
If Ferrari had other funding, they would have nothing to do with you.
Re: Bull vs Horse
Cause I kum gong and used cars got bubble tea residue on the seat which is disgusting.
Plus chicks dig new car smell. Like new notes from bank. $$$
Since most sponsors of Ferrari and Lambo simply do not desire to bring their cars to the limits, there really isn't any need to carry on about how they drive on the track or at the limit. It remains largely academic, and in real life, nihilistic. Never the less, talking about these cars are as entertaining as it is pointless. Like popcorn; delicious but mostly air.
I represent all wankerdom and speak their mind. I am honest. Karts are ugly.
Ugly is a fashionable word in the forum right now along with bubble tea.
golilok;885875 said:
Cause I kum gong and used cars got bubble tea residue on the seat which is disgusting.
Plus chicks dig new car smell. Like new notes from bank. $$$
Shaun;885880 said:Obviously I meant the limit under control (the edge), not over limit and in a wall. Idiots cross over the limit; they don't try and find the limit and drive it.
The fact that almost all the supercar guys prefer to use the car only cruising or in a straight line, or on rails with the electronics working overtime - all of which requires almost no skill or effort, does not mean that no one will, can, or should try to push limits on track and really understand the car and feel what its designers intended.
The limited 5 or so samples of data, video, and times off factory drivers from different marques, driving roadcars, as well as F1, GT, Touring car drivers in supercars, roadcars, lower end trackcars and racecars, also driven by the sharpest enthusiasts, has never been much different or surprising. The nature of these physically limited vehicles doesn't allow the pros to really differentiate themselves - unlike with classes designed to run much higher limits (more difficult to drive).
I just think that instead of just repeating that it's unattainable or a far out goal, it should be encouraged and listed as feasible with a little bit of effort. It's all choice. Chances are after doing so the owners will appreciate the car so much more, having realized the large difference vs lesser cars. Not just looks and noise, but dynamics...more in the direction of real sport driving. Sportscars, sport driving
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Tanzy, your post is exactly that of the typical wanker. Ferrari relies on wankers to fund racing and is the only reason they are tolerated, entertained.
Since most sponsors of Ferrari and Lambo simply do not desire to bring their cars to the limits, there really isn't any need to carry on about how they drive on the track or at the limit. It remains largely academic, and in real life, nihilistic. Never the less, talking about these cars are as entertaining as it is pointless. Like popcorn; delicious but mostly air.
I represent all wankerdom and speak their mind. I am honest. Karts are ugly.
Ugly is a fashionable word in the forum right now along with bubble tea.
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Re: Bull vs Horse
Because quality posts get "likes" and "thanks" which increases your points, which Ryan said can be exchanged for Munich vouchers.
Why is Aston Martin often left out from supercar parties?
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I didn't know you were part of the family.
No membership fee if you subscribe to the simple philosophy of:
"Give a man a vagina and he will spick for the day, teach a man to use his hand as a vagina and he will spick for a life time." - General Aladeen
clar;885889 said:Is it the bloody haze or is it something else, but everybody seems to be writing poetry today!
Because quality posts get "likes" and "thanks" which increases your points, which Ryan said can be exchanged for Munich vouchers.
Why is Aston Martin often left out from supercar parties?
Used Aston Martin DBS Car for Sale in Singapore, Aston Martin Lagonda (S.E.A) - sgCarMart
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wobbles;885891 said:
I didn't know you were part of the family.
No membership fee if you subscribe to the simple philosophy of:
"Give a man a vagina and he will spick for the day, teach a man to use his hand as a vagina and he will spick for a life time." - General Aladeen
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Re: Bull vs Horse
Yet all these marketing department releases, mag tests and videos, are full of the specs and descriptions you list as academic. And they get tons of purchases, views, discussion. Let's not confuse lack of desire, with being fearful, lazy, pussy-whipped, incapable, etc.
Tanzy;885881 said:
Yet all these marketing department releases, mag tests and videos, are full of the specs and descriptions you list as academic. And they get tons of purchases, views, discussion. Let's not confuse lack of desire, with being fearful, lazy, pussy-whipped, incapable, etc.
Re: Bull vs Horse
N I still dunno wat u r trying to say. Data face. Pls use more full stops. So do I m sense or not? I did say few ppl will xploit all these cars. So buy wat u wanna pose best with but consider after sales
Shaun;885895 said:Yet all these marketing department releases, mag tests and videos, are full of the specs and descriptions you list as academic. And they get tons of purchases, views, discussion. Let's not confuse lack of desire, with being fearful, lazy, pussy-whipped, incapable, etc.
N I still dunno wat u r trying to say. Data face. Pls use more full stops. So do I m sense or not? I did say few ppl will xploit all these cars. So buy wat u wanna pose best with but consider after sales
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You no like my popcorn analogy? Top Gear magazine is largely entertainment to me. How can words convey the driving experience? I read it to get the latest news and facts to win Top Trumps. Plus it's like a catalogue with nice photos to see what I want to buy next, similar to Victoria's Secret. Hmmmm...
And, most Fezza and Lambo drivers really are not interested to bring the car to the track, scared or not scared.
Shaun;885895 said:Yet all these marketing department releases, mag tests and videos, are full of the specs and descriptions you list as academic. And they get tons of purchases, views, discussion. Let's not confuse lack of desire, with being fearful, lazy, pussy-whipped, incapable, etc.
You no like my popcorn analogy? Top Gear magazine is largely entertainment to me. How can words convey the driving experience? I read it to get the latest news and facts to win Top Trumps. Plus it's like a catalogue with nice photos to see what I want to buy next, similar to Victoria's Secret. Hmmmm...
And, most Fezza and Lambo drivers really are not interested to bring the car to the track, scared or not scared.
