CAD arrests 5 City Harvest Church members

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iScoupe;842480 said:
at least he never say 2012 is end of the world , let spend all the money.

maybe all the donations and monies were for 'fast track....ticket to heaven' cos of end of the world??
 
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what i commented in another forum:

for a non Christian, I have not openly criticized Kong Hee and his gang (not the church, it’s the leaders that has been suspected) as what some of my friends on FB who are from the church said: a lot of the non Christian and those who are not from the Church has been quick to criticized Kong Hee and quick to judge. What right have they got? Firstly, they are not from the church and secondly, they didn’t even make any donations. Some even said its human to error.. we have all sinned so why are we so quick to judge?

So what I have been thinking is: let’s not consider this a church, let’s take it as an organization, a regular company. What Kong Hee has been suspected is embezzlement of company funds. Firstly, in a company, any embezzlement of funds is a criminal offence and there are no 2 ways about it. So I asked myself, maybe it’s a moment of folly, let’s say he didn’t mean it. Then it brings me to my next point, if it was not premeditated then can someone explain to me why there was a multipurpose account setup? Why was this channeling of money going on for 2 years amounting to 50million dollars? There were also signs of covering up when CAD started investigations.

So at the end of the day.. while I sit on the fence I would be watching how this plays out for honestly, it means more than just a group embezzling some money from a mega church
 
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Funding Sun's Singing a bit similar to using CDAC money to make FT happy. Anyone feels the same way?
 
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jerms;842494 said:
what i commented in another forum:

for a non Christian, I have not openly criticized Kong Hee and his gang (not the church, it’s the leaders that has been suspected) as what some of my friends on FB who are from the church said: a lot of the non Christian and those who are not from the Church has been quick to criticized Kong Hee and quick to judge. What right have they got? Firstly, they are not from the church and secondly, they didn’t even make any donations. Some even said its human to error.. we have all sinned so why are we so quick to judge?

So what I have been thinking is: let’s not consider this a church, let’s take it as an organization, a regular company. What Kong Hee has been suspected is embezzlement of company funds. Firstly, in a company, any embezzlement of funds is a criminal offence and there are no 2 ways about it. So I asked myself, maybe it’s a moment of folly, let’s say he didn’t mean it. Then it brings me to my next point, if it was not premeditated then can someone explain to me why there was a multipurpose account setup? Why was this channeling of money going on for 2 years amounting to 50million dollars? There were also signs of covering up when CAD started investigations.

So at the end of the day.. while I sit on the fence I would be watching how this plays out for honestly, it means more than just a group embezzling some money from a mega church


Why garmen is sticky about this because they are charitable or non-profit organization, so likely tax-free and enjoy many perks and media support or publicity. Do you know it is so hard to get this licence. I just realized that most charitable and non-profit organizations are run by either rich, influential or people of backings. Not like any other common folks who can run it. So they are funded by public and garmen's exceptional financial aids or programme for them.

TT Durai spent extravangance but seems like money didnt go into pocket, no evidence. The Ming Yi monk caught giving foundation money to his "boyfriend" and sex VCDs at home (discredit him). Kong Hee is big time, 50 million into own pocket.. If he runs a profitable organization with consent from directors, 50 million into pocket, i guess no-one care. Probably IRAS will invite to kopi and see if the tax coming from his income or other channel companies.
 
If Mr Roland Poon's queries to the Church founders in 2003 have been answered responsibly instead of being struck down like how some our MIW has done...would it have been better and not lead to doubts like these today?
 
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jerms;842494 said:
what i commented in another forum:

for a non Christian, I have not openly criticized Kong Hee and his gang (not the church, it’s the leaders that has been suspected) as what some of my friends on FB who are from the church said: a lot of the non Christian and those who are not from the Church has been quick to criticized Kong Hee and quick to judge. What right have they got? Firstly, they are not from the church and secondly, they didn’t even make any donations. Some even said its human to error.. we have all sinned so why are we so quick to judge?

So what I have been thinking is: let’s not consider this a church, let’s take it as an organization, a regular company. What Kong Hee has been suspected is embezzlement of company funds. Firstly, in a company, any embezzlement of funds is a criminal offence and there are no 2 ways about it. So I asked myself, maybe it’s a moment of folly, let’s say he didn’t mean it. Then it brings me to my next point, if it was not premeditated then can someone explain to me why there was a multipurpose account setup? Why was this channeling of money going on for 2 years amounting to 50million dollars? There were also signs of covering up when CAD started investigations.

So at the end of the day.. while I sit on the fence I would be watching how this plays out for honestly, it means more than just a group embezzling some money from a mega church

its 50 million for god's sakes...not 50 bucks or even 50000.
this kinda thing dun just happen without planning.
so with planning, so there must be intention rite?

its an honest mistake? let's move on? keke :wtf:

just like the civil service expecting their own staff to be of even higher discipline and ethics.
likewise, it would be expected of leaders of such organisation.

just like what jerms said, if it was a listed co....MD channelled most funds to his private account, will or should all the shareholders say "let's forgive him, i am willing to be cheated by him?"
probably stoned the fella rite
 
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Re: CAD arrests 5 City Harvest Church members

i know of alot of other reasons why people want to join or be on the board of non profit bodies or charity.... something linked to taxes as well.. i knew it when i first left school to work and i was a freelance cameraman. :) i shot a corp video for them.
 
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its 20 years or life for the sith lord donkey kong.if the judge buddhist maybe 20 years, if not gone case.

i guess he is coming out of prison in a box.
 
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jerms;842530 said:
i know of alot of other reasons why people want to join or be on the board of non profit bodies or charity.... something linked to taxes as well.. i knew it when i first left school to work and i was a freelance cameraman. :) i shot a corp video for them.

That's why I still believe in buying tissue packet from the aunties/uncles at the hawker centres or food court. Direct money to those who need it and yearn to earn it. Even those disabled selling tissue packet too.
 
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Samuel Tan See Teng;842544 said:
That's why I still believe in buying tissue packet from the aunties/uncles at the hawker centres or food court. Direct money to those who need it and yearn to earn it. Even those disabled selling tissue packet too.

I know you believe you are doing good but sad to say, some of them are syndicates. I have seen these sellers being dropped off in groups at hawker centers by vans. Seriously, the guy at the back passing them the bags of tissue look like a pimp.
 
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Tanzy;842549 said:
I know you believe you are doing good but sad to say, some of them are syndicates. I have seen these sellers being dropped off in groups at hawker centers by vans. Seriously, the guy at the back passing them the bags of tissue look like a pimp.

We are all part of a MUCH LARGER syndicate. We have been robbed, duped and unjustified! Every single day.

Feel the 'THUNDER'? ;)
 
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Why this Bizman withdraws allegations against CHC and Sun Ho
quote:

Businessman withdraws allegations about City Harvest Church and singer Ho Yeow Sun, and church prays to forgive him over the weekend
The Straits Times (Singapore), Jan. 27, 2003
The Straits Times
By Samuel Lee

The man who made allegations about City Harvest Church’s support of pastor-singer Ho Yeow Sun’s pop career has apologised publicly.

And in five sermons over the weekend, Ho’s husband, church founder and senior pastor Reverend Kong Hee, asked the congregation to forgive the man.

Two weeks ago, Mr Roland Poon Swee Kay contacted the press to complain about what he said were improper practices by Rev Kong and his wife.

Last Friday, the 53-year-old businessman issued four apologies in The Straits Times, Lianhe Zaobao, Lianhe Wanbao and Shin Min Daily News. A fifth apology appeared in The New Paper last Saturday.

In all, they cost $33,372.06. A source close to Mr Poon said yesterday that the amount was paid by an anonymous donor who knew of the businessman’s financial difficulties.

In the half-page apology in The Straits Times, Mr Poon, a member of the church, said he had fed false information to journalists from Life! and Today via e-mail and telephone conversations.

He also retracted all previous statements he had made regarding Rev Kong, Ho and the church.

Some of his earlier remarks were aired on Channel NewsAsia on Jan 17. This was followed by a Page 1 story in Today on Jan 18, which claimed that some church members had expressed uneasiness over City Harvest’s support of Ho’s pop career.

After reading the report, Ho, 31, who was then in Taiwan, broke down in tears.

In a Life! story published last Monday, she said that she had done nothing wrong.

Her husband also denied Mr Poon’s allegations. Rev Kong said that no church funds had been used for Ho’s pop career promotion, and that it was normal practice for the church to support and celebrate the secular success of its members.

The Chinese press also picked up the story.

Ho, who has been the church’s music pastor since 1993, launched her pop career last year.

Her first album, Sun With Love, sold more than 100,000 copies last year.

She recently launched her second work, Sun*day. All proceeds from both albums are pledged to charity.

She also sang at last Friday’s MTV Asia Awards, and was nominated for Favourite Artiste – Singapore.

As a result of all the news, members of City Harvest, which is in Jurong West, say they have been under a lot of ‘unnecessary’ scrutiny.

UFM 1003 DJ Danny Yeo, 30, for one, said he had been bombarded with phone calls.

‘I tell people that I’m still attending City Harvest and that it takes more than reading headlines and newspapers to make a judgment about the church,’ he said.

Last Friday, Life! also published a response from the City Harvest management board.

The letter reiterated Rev Kong’s stand that no church funds were used to finance Ho’s pop career. It added that there was no hard-selling of her two CDs in the church and no question of a personality cult forming.

That Mr Poon’s retraction in The Straits Times appeared on the same day as the church’s reply has raised some eyebrows among observers.

However, Rev Kong and church board member Chew Eng Han explained yesterday that it was pure coincidence.

The board had already submitted its statement to the newspaper last Wednesday, before the church received a call from Mr Poon later that day.

‘He voluntarily met up with me and a few board members at Fullerton Hotel on Wednesday evening,’ said Mr Chew, 42, a general manager of an American bank.

‘There, he told us he realised his foolishness after reading the positive remarks from other members of the church in the Life! article last Monday.’

He added that Mr Poon’s turn-around came after the businessman telephoned Sri Lanka-based clergyman, Bishop Jebanayagam, for advice last week.

Mr Poon could not be reached for comment and has not been attending service since Jan 18.

A source close to him said that he had met the bishop during the latter’s visits over the past eight years.

Bishop Jebanayagam apparently told him to come clean with City Harvest if he wished to be truthful, and that he would be forgiven.

Together with Mr Chew, Mr Poon drafted the apology last Wednesday night, got it vetted by City Harvest’s lawyers last Thursday and submitted it for publication the same day.

Mr Chew said that Mr Poon also revealed that his quotes to Today were attributed to several church members, including two identified as ‘Mr Png’ and ‘Mr Lee’.

He had contacted The Straits Times variously as ‘Roland Poon’ and ‘Swee Kay’.

Mr Chew said: ‘We have already forgiven him and have also asked him to come back to church next week.’

Rev Kong asked his congregation, which numbers 14,000, during his five weekend services to forgive the businessman.

‘My wife and I have forgiven him and so has the church. We’re not going to single him out and he can remain anonymous. That’s the good thing about being in a big church,’ he said.

Still, he felt that the church’s credibility – especially that of its community service here and in the region – had been unfairly undermined by the episode.

Rev Kong also said his wife remained badly shattered.

He said: ‘All she has been saying since she came back from Taiwan last week for MTV is how all her hard work has been for nothing.

‘Her success, which has been achieved through her own talent and efforts, has been unfairly discredited by the false allegations. However, she believes that in time, the truth will dawn.’
 
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sszone;842560 said:
Rev Kong said that no church funds had been used for Ho’s pop career promotion

The letter reiterated Rev Kong’s stand that no church funds were used to finance Ho’s pop career.the truth will dawn.’

indeeed . :liar:
 
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I only know that these tissue paper sellers (be it uncles, aunties, xiao mei mei or yan tao) were provided the avenue by the pimp (be it resembles MW, me, Kenntona or you) how to gain source of income. The key is, money earned is legal and $$$ portion split between the pimp and sellers is being agreed with not evil tricks, never get siphon-off or misappropriation……..still clean and from lowly commoners somemore.
 
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I can see that Jee Leng is horny
 
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quick question ... is IRAS taxman sleeping
how come no investigate Kong Hee assets ???
 
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wt_know;842643 said:
quick question ... is IRAS taxman sleeping
how come no investigate Kong Hee assets ???

Not yet. I trust their quiet efficiency.
 
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pengful;842674 said:
Not yet. I trust their quiet efficiency.

I agree... Before a storm, the sea is calm... IRAS can suddenly hoot and demand to see your last 5 years business expenses...
 
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The guy who retracted his complaint got his ticket to heaven revoked.... Cos he bao toh kia.
 

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