E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Crufty Dusty;320637 said:
And I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying either... on the one hand you allow the 335 a piggyback to raise the power by 100 bhp yet you deny a street legal exhaust and intake with reflash on an Evo? How is that a fair comparison when the very definition of a piggyback is that it's not stock?

You do not need to change your cams, internals or the turbo to get 100 bhp more out of an Evo or to use it reliably. It is 4WD so no traction issues. The car and engine has been proven in rally and road course racing for years, so I don't see why the need to bring reliability into the discussion. A reasonable person would expect the newer car to prove its worth instead.

I made myself clear when i used the term 'reliably'. Yes the newer cars indeed has to prove its worth. No question about that. Let me rephrase it since we are getting all tangled up.

1. The 335 ONLY requires a piggback to extract 100 ponies. Nothing else has to be changed or replaced to run it. How many items do you similarly need to change on the Evo retrospectively? All this refers to ease of modding. I am not in a debate on the extent of modding to give you the same power. To some changing 2 or more items is fine to get the power. To some, they would like to leave everything that is physically stock in the car and play with the ECU (Software side) for power.

2. The 335 do not hold traction well after an increase in power because it doesnt have the 4wd system like the EVOs which have been proven in rallies and road racing. To have 50hp less in an evo and 50hp more in a 335, I would rather have 50hp less and able to put down the power. Power is nothing without control.

In light of the points mentioned above, I clearly define that the 335 is a much easier car to modify for fast extraction of power without changing anything physically. Especially, for those who are not all out for max power but for a little oomph.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

elmariachi;320602 said:
If stock is your best motto, go for the m3. You wont get a car as sorted out as the M3. The car is fun to drive, way more even than a modded 335 which would get you bored of straight line power after a while. Problem is can you get a good conditioned M3. If you can, i'd say take it.
Bro

I did get a M3 cab that is in good condition, low mileage somemore. Very happy that I made the decision to buy my M3 cab.

Is it possible to mod the 335 with aftermarket suspension, rims, antiroll bars, etc to the extent that the 335's handling becomes as good or close to an E46 M3's handling?
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

The Mixmaster;320663 said:
Bro

I did get a M3 cab that is in good condition, low mileage somemore. Very happy that I made the decision to buy my M3 cab.

Is it possible to mod the 335 with aftermarket suspension, rims, antiroll bars, etc to the extent that the 335's handling becomes as good or close to an E46 M3's handling?

Thats great news man!

I regret to inform you that even with aftermarket suspension, rims and anti-roll bars, the 335s handing will never even come close to the E46 M3's handling. All post 2007 335s have welded differentials making it hard to install an LSD. With an LSD, I'd say it will come close to the E46 M3's handling. Without it, it wont hold a candle to the E46 M3. That much i can guarantee you. Remember an M car may not necessarily be as powerful as the 335, but on the track, its a deadly tool in the hands of the right driver. In the 335, you enjoy unquestionable straight line speed but thats beginning to wear out for me at least. You dont enjoy corners and bends like a thoroughbred sports car or sports coupe fully loaded with a limited slip differential. Trust me, its a world of difference.
 
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The Mixmaster said:
Is it possible to mod the 335 with aftermarket suspension, rims, antiroll bars, etc to the extent that the 335's handling becomes as good or close to an E46 M3's handling?
No way.,,,,,, The M3 will reign supreme on the track.....
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

elmariachi;320668 said:
With an LSD, I'd say it will come close to the E46 M3's handling. Without it, it wont hold a candle to the E46 M3.

I never realised that the LSD makes such a difference. The capabilities of the M3 are largely wasted on me as I hardly track my car but it is nice to know that it is a very capable car.
 
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The Mixmaster;320676 said:
I never realised that the LSD makes such a difference. The capabilities of the M3 are largely wasted on me as I hardly track my car but it is nice to know that it is a very capable car.

You dont have to track the car to feel it. Drive a 335 first, stock or modded. Then drive the M3. Remember forget about power. Take corners at your pace with both cars, overtake, etc. That sweet spot is the M3. Dont believe it, try it for yourself and see.
 
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DJ Mixmaster
Hey man, wots up?

U want to trade ur current M3CAB for the 335?
or is it an addition? If addition then sweet But if replacement then we need to talk..
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

The Mixmaster;320580 said:
So, if you want a car that is more "performance oriented", is it better to buy (i) a used E46 M3 that is left stock, or (ii) a new 335i and then spend some money to mod it up?
yes lar already say, get E46 M3.
 
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Crufty Dusty;320611 said:
IMG_7864.jpg


Looks like a torsion bar to me.
dusty, the M3 and the E92 335 suspension is totally different in components (only shares the lower long. ctrl arm I read) but the design philosophy is same and principle is same. The photo you show, sorry for my bad, but I don't see what you show as showing me a torsion bar suspension. From other pics: http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=138251&stc=1&d=1205933131 looks like it's multilink and almost a double wishbone arrangement.
 
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centurion;320774 said:
dusty, the M3 and the E92 335 suspension is totally different in components (only shares the lower long. ctrl arm I read) but the design philosophy is same and principle is same. The photo you show, sorry for my bad, but I don't see what you show as showing me a torsion bar suspension. From other pics: http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=138251&stc=1&d=1205933131 looks like it's multilink and almost a double wishbone arrangement.
this look like multilink to me:
335-Susp.jpg
 
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Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

The Mixmaster;320663 said:
Bro

I did get a M3 cab that is in good condition, low mileage somemore. Very happy that I made the decision to buy my M3 cab.

Is it possible to mod the 335 with aftermarket suspension, rims, antiroll bars, etc to the extent that the 335's handling becomes as good or close to an E46 M3's handling?
I thought as a principle any car can be made to handle well .... need to tune though. not the components, they matter less. You gotta get a good guy to tune your suspension and probably custom-make some components for you.

At the end of the day probably buy M3 betta .... cheaper ...
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

totoseow;320779 said:
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* Tactical play: key session ahead with RSIs looking oversold:
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