E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Mayhem;319817 said:
I mean I take care of my current ride too but there is still the usual wear and tear issues. pistons wearing out and stuff like that. wouldn't want to purchase the car then spend 1 month in the workshop trying to solve these problems. My mind is pretty much set on the 135 but there are also some thoughts about the M3 afterall its my dream ride as well as a quasi super car :)

Regards.


Regards

don't think you'll go wrong with either choice.

mileage is usually a strong indicator of wear and tear. so if a low mileage M3 is located, you may want to take a test drive. and bring a box of tissues to wipe the drool from your mouth... ha ha...

anyways, i think the 135 will make you a very happy person. good luck and hope to see pics of your ride once you get it, and maybe even see it at the meetups...

cheers
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

I just test drove the E46 M3 CSL last week. I would not classify it as hardcore in my context. If anything I feel that it is a great cruiser with the occasional weekend track warrior.

After 1 test drive, my E9 is now in the market so that I can purchase the CSL. Hopefully nobody steal it before me.
 
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AC Schnitzer;319967 said:
I just test drove the E46 M3 CSL last week. I would not classify it as hardcore in my context. If anything I feel that it is a great cruiser with the occasional weekend track warrior.

After 1 test drive, my E9 is now in the market so that I can purchase the CSL. Hopefully nobody steal it before me.

So where did u see the CSL again hehehe...

regards.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

In Perth. hiak hiak ...

Initial experience driving around town, it is just your ordinary M3. Maybe a slight hint of stiffer suspension, but nothing drastic. The moment we got on the freeway, switch to S6, engaged sports mode and floor the thing, its almost god like. I swear the induction noise is almost as loud as the exhaust itself if not louder.

Both M3 and CSL have 6 ITBs but what makes the CSL powerplant unique is the intake manifold. Unlike the M3 which is running a relatively restrictive intake manifold drawing air from an airbox, the CSL has a huge CFRP Intake manifold drawing air from an inlet no lesser than 4" in diameter.

While I was at the dealership, the salesman revved the throttle and at certain rpm, the flap opens 100% and air flow is at 100% free flow.

I'd have to say the CSL is no quicker than my current car. If anything I could probably give it a 10 second headstart at the local track and still cross the finishing line ahead of it.

But when you drive the CSL, its a CSL. No matter what you do to the Evo, its still a CSL. Totally whole new different experience.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

centurion;319977 said:
turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.

Wear and tear issues are inevitable. It is the speed at which wear and tear occurs. Given proper installation , tuning, maintainence and driving, they are reliable.

I've participated more Competitive Events than I have done guard duties during NS and it hasn't paused a single time.

I have withnessed various "makes" that are newer than mine and have never seen the track broke down before my 20,000km oil change. Gearbox blew, engine blew, etc. Everyone knows the owner doesn't track but upon inspection, gear 1 and 2 have been stripped clean.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

centurion;319689 said:
the 335 is hardly a hardcore. Too distant in fact. It is almost purely a cruiser in stock form, along the lines of Lexus GS, Merc CLS. Comfortable beyond compare, and the forced induction helps the engine get torque at lower rpms, even lowering noise levels beyond the benchmark set by the GS during semi-enthusiastic driving.

If so, if I get a BMW 335, I would have to leave it stock as I am looking for a good cruiser on the NS.
 
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The Mixmaster said:
I would have to leave it stock as I am looking for a good cruiser on the NS.
DJ, how to keep it stock when a simple piggyback system can add so much more torque ? Wahahahahahahaha, stop lying to yourself......
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

kenntona;320216 said:
DJ, how to keep it stock when a simple piggyback system can add so much more torque ? Wahahahahahahaha, stop lying to yourself......

You know, that is one reason why I don't dare to get a 335. Friends like you will be there to poison me. :)

How much does it cost to increase your 335's horse power beyond my E46 M3's 343 bhp?

Seriously, it is beyond my budget at the moment. PML also increased prices by $10k across the range I heard.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

U can go PI route...save the moolah for some other accidental mods
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

centurion;319977 said:
turbos do increase engine unreliability though, just a thought. Introduces many parts at high heat stress.

for a given displacement with the same target power levels, turbocharging might be more reliable than revving the balls off a NA engine with high compression though...
 
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The Mixmaster said:
How much does it cost to increase your 335's horse power beyond my E46 M3's 343 bhp?
Just bhp/torque numbers, S$2500 can get you Procede V2.02. S$1400 thereabout can get you the Juice Box..........

See the figures for yourself......

JUICE BOX 335i PERFORMANCE TUNER
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

I am currently in Nagoya and I happened to be brought to the BMW showroom to see and test drive the all new 120i cabrio ,135i and the M3 sedan. Like what I told Andrea before I came up a M3 is always a M3 the rigidity of the car and the handling of the M3 is just different from our 335i. I now love my 335i even more ever since Andre did some tuning for me. But I am afraid that my 335 will be very fast for sales as I think I will proceed to purchase the new M3 sedan. I always believe that the sedan handles better than the coupe is really true even for the M3.
For those who wants to buy a nice cabrio for yourself or wife the 120i is the car to get it is so beautiful in the flesh quality of the car is damn good and the of course the 135i I think in term of fun this car is really fun , buy it you will not regret it. This afternoon test drive prove to be very expensive as I am quite sure the M3 sedan and the 120i cabrio will be in my garage soon
 
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benz61;320231 said:
I now love my 335i even more ever since Andre did some tuning for me. But I am afraid that my 335 will be very fast for sales as I think I will proceed to purchase the new M3 sedan. ....... This afternoon test drive prove to be very expensive as I am quite sure the M3 sedan and the 120i cabrio will be in my garage soon

LOL, if you want to sell your 335i, please give me a shout hor. Although I am sure you will not be short of interested buyers in light of the waiting period for a new 335i.
 
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Kenn, not really so easy and cheap lar. From the US BMW forums, the `simple' piggyback system places extra stress on the engine and turbos beyond engineering design parameters, which requires you to add similarly uprated devices like an intercooler to cool down the charge and probably uprated diverter valves. Seems to be necessary mods for piggybacked cars, from accounts from Arizona and Singapore, and on the track, even more so.

Failure to do so has resulted in ECU retard, diverter valve failures requiring turbo replacement, etc. And who knows what it's doing to the engine.

Modding a 335 seems not to be as easy as modding an Evo.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

louis;320228 said:
for a given displacement with the same target power levels, turbocharging might be more reliable than revving the balls off a NA engine with high compression though...
the engine is pretty tough, so both for NA and FI engines are (mid-term) fine if you don't go crazy. It's the turbos which give trouble. Take a survey of the 335 owners in the bimmer boards in USA and see their turbo-related issues, including worn out components, plastic diverter valve failures, turbo failures.
 
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centurion said:
Kenn, not really so easy and cheap lar. From the US BMW forums, the `simple' piggyback system places extra stress on the engine and turbos beyond engineering design parameters, which requires you to add similarly uprated devices like an intercooler to cool down the charge and probably uprated diverter valves. Seems to be necessary mods for piggybacked cars, from accounts from Arizona and Singapore, and on the track, even more so.

Failure to do so has resulted in ECU retard, diverter valve failures requiring turbo replacement, etc. And who knows what it's doing to the engine.

Modding a 335 seems not to be as easy as modding an Evo.
You should know from Omar by now we dun discussed most 335 mods online anymore. Yes, not as straight forward. The heating issue was inherent in the 335, even stock is running 120 after a spirited drive. Hence the OC, not the IC, is a primary mod.

As for the rest, FMIC and DV, it is all in the pipeline. Many of us have already installed the DVs. Cheap mod. As with most of the mods we have come across so far. High yielding as well. Compare that to what those guys in the US tried to do.... 3-litre engine block swap, SCed and so on...... I still think it is a relatively easier-to-mod car.

Most of us have tried both the Procede V2 and the JBX piggyback systems - BOTH !!! And only we know whether it works or otherwise as per your depiction.
 
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kenntona;320283 said:
...we dun discussed most 335 mods online anymore. Yes, not as straight forward.

Right. Because nobody discusses the issues of 335 modding online anymore, it's fair that you mention now that, 335 modding is not as straightforward as just putting the ECU modifier online.

No I didn't talk to Omar about 335 mod online discussion.
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

kenntona;320283 said:
You should know from Omar by now we dun discussed most 335 mods online anymore. Yes, not as straight forward. The heating issue was inherent in the 335, even stock is running 120 after a spirited drive. Hence the OC, not the IC, is a primary mod.

As for the rest, FMIC and DV, it is all in the pipeline. Many of us have already installed the DVs. Cheap mod. As with most of the mods we have come across so far. High yielding as well. Compare that to what those guys in the US tried to do.... 3-litre engine block swap, SCed and so on...... I still think it is a relatively easier-to-mod car.

Most of us have tried both the Procede V2 and the JBX piggyback systems - BOTH !!! And only we know whether it works or otherwise as per your depiction.

The margin of moddability of the 335i is tremendously great. Increase boost by almost twice in terms of PSI. And the feeling is night and day difference. Of course running higher boost will definitely imply a higher rate of wear and tear. No doubt about that. That is why it is imperative that mods like FMIC, DV and DP are REQUIRED. They allow you to run consistent high boost. I have no doubts that the N54 engine is a strong motor. But i feel that the other parts like the FMIC, DV and DP are weak links in keeping the sustainability of the 335i.

In terms of power, i got a chance to drive a stock 335 again to show my friend who has just bought one. I realise with the stock power, the 335 handles like a charm. Not to say a modded one handles worse but its much more of a challenge to drive due to the rear end kicking out much quicker and faster. For that reason, the 335 is seriously lacking in one thing. An LSD. For our kind of power, it is pathetic that the car dont come with the M3 differential. Stock power lets you get away fine. Modded 335, you most definitely need an LSD unless you are a 1/4 mile kinda guy.

I think i have been running my car for 7 months now. I nail the car really hard to expose whatever weaknesses i could. I just went into service yesterday and they did a full check up. Rear disc pads had to be changed. The SA was puzzled how come it finished so fast. Simple. The rears cannot keep up with the braking power from the front. It is being overly stressed to the point I can feel much bias. No matter. Alcons got the rear kits out. Am definitely gonna get it. So i can say that the N54, being a BMW's first turbo engine since 2002, is relatively good. In e90post, certain cars are affected by fluttering noise and got their cams and wastegates replaced undfer warranty. Those are just a few cars. I have not since anything major, like someone blowing up the engine, or having a busted tranny. The car is a well engineered car but certain parts HAVE to be changed to run the kind of mods some of us are doing. It simply will put more stress on the motor and drive train if you run everything stock except the engine. As far as modding the 335 goes, its far simpler than modding an evo. Which car allows you to boost 100hp over stock and still run the same fuel injectors, same fuel rail system, same spark plugs, etc? Not many cars in todays generation where manufacturers go all out to reduce their costs on cheaper parts to run the car at stock levels. Think abt it.

As far as i know, evos that mod HAVE to change all of these to get the power they require. For that reason, I think the 335 is much easier to mod though ineveitably, the evo and rexes will undoubtly give you more power than the 335 as they have more options available to them. For most of us that have the 335 as the first turbo car, most of the stuff have already been spoonfed for us. I cant ask for anything else. The goal of modded 335s should be sustainaility and keeping the engine cool. With this 2 elements, I believe that the car will serve you well. Well to make us more consoled on the reliability of our turbos, rumours have it that we are running the EXACT same turboes as the bugatti veyron. Of course its just 2 of them. But for the same 2 to go into the veyron is a testament of the parts that is going into our car. Its sad BMW sacrificed things like DV and FMIC without having more room for running the boost levels we are seeing.

My 2 cents....
 
Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

kenntona;320283 said:
Yes, not as straight forward.
Ken

You watch me. If I a get a 335i, I will keep to the "stock is best" motto (cosmetic mods excluded). Otherwise, I buy you a big ice lemon tea from MacDonalds.
 

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