E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

[centurion]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Ken

You watch me. If I a get a 335i, I will keep to the "stock is best" motto (cosmetic mods excluded). Otherwise, I buy you a big ice lemon tea from MacDonalds.

Ken is a vendor now. You'd have an even harder time to resist the poison compared to before....

 

[kenntona]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

You watch me. If I a get a 335i, I will keep to the "stock is best" motto (cosmetic mods excluded). Otherwise, I buy you a big ice lemon tea from MacDonalds.

I will take the bet, knowing you !!!

Ken is a vendor now. You'd have an even harder time to resist the poison compared to before....

Please lah.

I don't whore-sell the mods like they are snake-oil products. So things like Procede and JuiceBox, I am not carrying it. That should clear up the air.

I am carrying only commoditised products plus DPE wheels.

 

[edlms]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Please lah.

I don't whore-sell the mods like they are snake-oil products. So things like Procede and JuiceBox, I am not carrying it. That should clear up the air.

I am carrying only commoditised products plus DPE wheels.

not to jump to centurion's defence, but i didn't read his post that way.

i read it as - now that ken is a vendor, he'll be able to recommend good quality stuff at even better prices, so it'll be harder for you to resist.

but i'm only mind-reading at this point...

cheers

 

[kenntona]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Perhaps..........

 

[edlms]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Perhaps..........

ha ha...
but given that i have much respect for your views, opinions and knowledge that your previous posts have revealed, it did not cross my mind that you'd whore-sell anything (except maybe your body for worthy causes... ha ha...).

cheers

 

[centurion]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

ha ha...
but given that i have much respect for your views, opinions and knowledge that your previous posts have revealed, it did not cross my mind that you'd whore-sell anything (except maybe your body for worthy causes... ha ha...).

cheers

Wah thanks for mind reading in a flattering sense both ken and Ed.

What I'm saying is, in the past, Ken was neutral though maybe a fanboy.

Now there is commercial side to things. He is no longer neutral and will push product. His product.

Inevitable, not Ken's fault.

But today marks a transition. Ken is not merely a neutral friend. He's a vendor friend.

 

[kenntona]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

What I'm saying is, in the past, Ken was neutral though maybe a fanboy.

Now there is commercial side to things. He is no longer neutral and will push product. His product.

Inevitable, not Ken's fault.

But today marks a transition. Ken is not merely a neutral friend. He's a vendor friend.

I cannot. Cause my products are "commoditised."

Things like Brembo BBK. Either you like it or you prefer Alcon or AP. If you prefer the latter, I will not convinced you to switch. These are not new products like Procede or JB........

Same with KW or PSS9. As with Eisenmann exhaust. Or even Vorsteiner bonnet or spoiler. Do I need to do promotion on them? Nah. This forum knows them well enough. I simply provide another avenue for distribution.

You have that need, you have that want, I will get it for you at the lowest possible price.

So I can still be neutral. Why do I need to push A over B?

 

[edlms]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

I cannot. Cause my products are "commoditised."

Things like Brembo BBK. Either you like it or you prefer Alcon or AP. If you prefer the latter, I will not convinced you to switch. These are not new products like Procede or JB........

Same with KW or PSS9. As with Eisenmann exhaust. Or even Vorsteiner bonnet or spoiler. Do I need to do promotion on them? Nah. This forum knows them well enough. I simply provide another avenue for distribution.

You have that need, you have that want, I will get it for you at the lowest possible price.

So I can still be neutral. Why do I need to push A over B?

only problem is that when you are asked for purchase advice (between A or B), there will be a PERCEPTION of inherent bias due to potential monetary incentives.

fortunately, for those you know, understand or trust you, they will accept that your advice will be neutral and objective. They will also know that you do not carry competitive products cos (a) you were not able to secure the rights (or competitive pricing) to do so, and/or (b) you do not believe in that particular product.

there will be detractors and this cannot be avoided. but like i said earlier, your track record of opinion and knowledge should stand against scrutiny for most. that said, you will also have to continue to work hard to maintain your good reputation...

congrats and good luck on your new venture.

cheers

 

[Darth Vader]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Kenn, not really so easy and cheap lar. From the US BMW forums, the `simple' piggyback system places extra stress on the engine and turbos beyond engineering design parameters, which requires you to add similarly uprated devices like an intercooler to cool down the charge and probably uprated diverter valves. Seems to be necessary mods for piggybacked cars, from accounts from Arizona and Singapore, and on the track, even more so.

Failure to do so has resulted in ECU retard, diverter valve failures requiring turbo replacement, etc. And who knows what it's doing to the engine.

Modding a 335 seems not to be as easy as modding an Evo.

dear centurion

let me tell you a story.

i am sure you heard of tiger and panther tanks from germany during world war 2 ?
the germans make their drivetrain super precise and as technically best as they could.so they can perhaps last more than a year on the field.

but they only last on average 2 weeks on the eastern front being destroyed by the russians.
so my point is,german products are always overengineered and overbuilt.its their culture.

i am sure that the 335 being the first turbo production car in 2 decades ? will be built stronger than usual.germans are more ka su than most.

 

[Crufty Dusty]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

The car is a well engineered car but certain parts HAVE to be changed to run the kind of mods some of us are doing. It simply will put more stress on the motor and drive train if you run everything stock except the engine. As far as modding the 335 goes, its far simpler than modding an evo. Which car allows you to boost 100hp over stock and still run the same fuel injectors, same fuel rail system, same spark plugs, etc? Not many cars in todays generation where manufacturers go all out to reduce their costs on cheaper parts to run the car at stock levels. Think abt it.

As far as i know, evos that mod HAVE to change all of these to get the power they require. For that reason, I think the 335 is much easier to mod though ineveitably, the evo and rexes will undoubtly give you more power than the 335 as they have more options available to them. For most of us that have the 335 as the first turbo car, most of the stuff have already been spoonfed for us. I cant ask for anything else. The goal of modded 335s should be sustainaility and keeping the engine cool. With this 2 elements, I believe that the car will serve you well. Well to make us more consoled on the reliability of our turbos, rumours have it that we are running the EXACT same turboes as the bugatti veyron. Of course its just 2 of them. But for the same 2 to go into the veyron is a testament of the parts that is going into our car. Its sad BMW sacrificed things like DV and FMIC without having more room for running the boost levels we are seeing.

So a 335 with parts that need to be changed is an "easy mod" whereas an Evo that changes injectors is considered "not as easy to mod"? I dunno about the 335 but it takes less than 30 minutes for a competent mechanic to swap injectors on an Evo. And that's being generous.

You don't have to change parts on Evos if you don't want to. Evos on standard injectors using pump gas have been running about 300 whp for decades. If you want to go higher than that then larger injectors are recommended because the last thing you want is a new engine when injectors are cheap insurance. An easy method to get around this problem is to run better better fuel or raise fuel pressure. We like to do things the proper way so we usually swap injectors instead.

You also have to understand that the fuel flow demand out of 4 cylinders is more than 6 to support a given HP figure, so there is usually some headroom for engines with more cylinders.

The use of turbos in whatever car is irrelevant IMO.

Everything is built to a budget. Yes, even the 335. It has been handicapped with rear torsion bar suspension so that it won't handle as well as the M3. So all this talk about "superiority" or whatever is just silly.

My 2 psi.

 

[centurion]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Everything is built to a budget. Yes, even the 335. It has been handicapped with rear torsion bar suspension so that it won't handle as well as the M3. So all this talk about "superiority" or whatever is just silly.

My 2 psi.

FARK! TORSION BAR REAR????? DID YOU SAY - TORSION BAR???

 

[centurion]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

FARK! TORSION BAR REAR????? DID YOU SAY - TORSION BAR???

but it's a multilink 5-link. we can even say that it's akin to a double wishbone.

 

[Mockngbrd]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

torsion bar? ?

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

So a 335 with parts that need to be changed is an "easy mod" whereas an Evo that changes injectors is considered "not as easy to mod"? I dunno about the 335 but it takes less than 30 minutes for a competent mechanic to swap injectors on an Evo. And that's being generous.

You don't have to change parts on Evos if you don't want to. Evos on standard injectors using pump gas have been running about 300 whp for decades. If you want to go higher than that then larger injectors are recommended because the last thing you want is a new engine when injectors are cheap insurance. An easy method to get around this problem is to run better better fuel or raise fuel pressure. We like to do things the proper way so we usually swap injectors instead.

You also have to understand that the fuel flow demand out of 4 cylinders is more than 6 to support a given HP figure, so there is usually some headroom for engines with more cylinders.

The use of turbos in whatever car is irrelevant IMO.

Everything is built to a budget. Yes, even the 335. It has been handicapped with rear torsion bar suspension so that it won't handle as well as the M3. So all this talk about "superiority" or whatever is just silly.

My 2 psi.

I am not really talking about how easy or difficult it is to remove the injectors on evos or rexes. What i am trying to say is that given a stock 335, for the power gains, there is less things that you possibly need to change. What i am actually really trying to say is given about 100hp increase like the 335i with a piggyback, most other makes require and i stress require, to change other things to allow the car to run without any problems. I also agree that with the inline 6 cylinders there is less fuel demand as opposed to the 4 cylinder. I hope you know where I am coming from. And i admit with no objections that a stock 335 will not handle as poised as an M3 also because there is no LSD on our cars. Everything is a compromise. Every car we buy today has compromises. Its really what you want at the end of the day. As long as you ackownledge the weaknesses in any car you buy, then you have an educated purchase because there is something really in a car that attracts individuals and some which detracts them away from it.

 

[The Mixmaster]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

So, if you want a car that is more "performance oriented", is it better to buy (i) a used E46 M3 that is left stock, or (ii) a new 335i and then spend some money to mod it up?

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

So, if you want a car that is more "performance oriented", is it better to buy (i) a used E46 M3 that is left stock, or (ii) a new 335i and then spend some money to mod it up?

If stock is your best motto, go for the m3. You wont get a car as sorted out as the M3. The car is fun to drive, way more even than a modded 335 which would get you bored of straight line power after a while. Problem is can you get a good conditioned M3. If you can, i'd say take it.

 

[Crufty Dusty]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Looks like a torsion bar to me.

 

[Crufty Dusty]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

I am not really talking about how easy or difficult it is to remove the injectors on evos or rexes. What i am trying to say is that given a stock 335, for the power gains, there is less things that you possibly need to change. What i am actually really trying to say is given about 100hp increase like the 335i with a piggyback, most other makes require and i stress require, to change other things to allow the car to run without any problems. I also agree that with the inline 6 cylinders there is less fuel demand as opposed to the 4 cylinder. I hope you know where I am coming from. And i admit with no objections that a stock 335 will not handle as poised as an M3 also because there is no LSD on our cars. Everything is a compromise. Every car we buy today has compromises. Its really what you want at the end of the day. As long as you ackownledge the weaknesses in any car you buy, then you have an educated purchase because there is something really in a car that attracts individuals and some which detracts them away from it.

I see where you're coming from and respectfully disagree. Because you are using the term "stock" very loosely... a piggyback ECU is not part of the stock hardware (i.e. it did not come with the car). You don't need a piggyback ECU on an Evo to get 100 bhp more than stock, and even then 100 bhp more out of an Evo is not news.

 

[satinGHOST|r!der]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

I see where you're coming from and respectfully disagree. Because you are using the term "stock" very loosely... a piggyback ECU is not part of the stock hardware (i.e. it did not come with the car). You don't need a piggyback ECU on an Evo to get 100 bhp more than stock, and even then 100 bhp more out of an Evo is not news.

Perhaps you did not fully understand my post. Given a stock 335, and with an addition of just a piggyback, you are able to extract about 100 ponies. Stock meaning, the rest of the engine internals with stock config. I know you dont need a piggyback on an EVo to get 100hp. Its simple as a few mods. Hell changing turbos give you already around that given its tuned properly. What i am saying is that given a STOCK 335i with just a piggyback, you get 100 ponies.For those who dont want to touch anything else like exhaust or downpipes or even air intake for that matter. 100bhp out of an evo is definitely not news. Its a defacto enthusiast car. But really, how many stock internals do you have to change before you can really and reliably use the extra 100bhp? You have to involve changing more items that just even adding a piggyback for that matter. Thats what i am saying. I am not referring to the realiability of both the cars when i say reliably use 100hp. I mean to change items in tandem that would allow you to run that amount of power over an otherwise stock evo. What i am referring to the ease of modding the 335 which gives you a proven 100hp over stock config without touching anything else. Not even 1 other part of the car.

 

[Crufty Dusty]

Re: E46 M3 CSL or E82 1 Series Coupe???

Perhaps you did not fully understand my post. Given a stock 335, with just a piggyback, you are able to extract about 100 ponies. Stock meaning, the rest of the engine internals and stck config. I know you dont need a piggyback on an EVo to get 100hp. Its simple as a few mods. Hell changing turbos give you already around that given its tuned properly. What i am saying is that given a STOCK 335i with just a piggyback, you get 100 ponies.For those who dont want to touch anything else like exhaust or downpipes or even air intake for that matter. 100bhp out of an evo is definitely not news. Its a defacto enthusiast car. But really, how many stock internals do you have to change before you can really and reliably use the extra 100bhp? Thats what i am saying. I am not referring to the realiability of both cars but i am referring to the ease of modding the 335 which gives you a proven and reliable 100hp over stock config.

And I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying either... on the one hand you allow the 335 a piggyback to raise the power by 100 bhp yet you deny a street legal exhaust and intake with reflash on an Evo? How is that a fair comparison when the very definition of a piggyback is that it's not stock?

You do not need to change your cams, internals or the turbo to get 100 bhp more out of an Evo or to use it reliably. It is 4WD so no traction issues. The car and engine has been proven in rally and road course racing for years, so I don't see why the need to bring reliability into the discussion. A reasonable person would expect the newer car to prove its worth instead.