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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
yah who is 1984?? lucky my pager bo hiang...
yah who is 1984?? lucky my pager bo hiang...
ECU tuning on the F20
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BimmerHead
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
U install kellener ? What's the damage?
Blanc;856518 said:
U install kellener ? What's the damage?
Singsider
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
Bro,
Had a look at the site and the product picture. Its similar to TMC. In fact its the same red resin casing. I'm willing to bet they have the same map installed. Cos they all come from Speed-buster.de.
Full power will come in after a short run-in period (100 to 200 km). Not super smooth, but you should find it torquey once boost kicks in at 2000rpm. For more linear results, its best to ecu-tune (assuming it can be safely bench-tuned). So far its been nearly impossible to bypass OBD protection, cos its encrypted. Bench tuning has its inherent risks and you can forget about warranty.
unknown;857006 said:
Bro,
Had a look at the site and the product picture. Its similar to TMC. In fact its the same red resin casing. I'm willing to bet they have the same map installed. Cos they all come from Speed-buster.de.
Full power will come in after a short run-in period (100 to 200 km). Not super smooth, but you should find it torquey once boost kicks in at 2000rpm. For more linear results, its best to ecu-tune (assuming it can be safely bench-tuned). So far its been nearly impossible to bypass OBD protection, cos its encrypted. Bench tuning has its inherent risks and you can forget about warranty.
Forrestgum
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Singsider;857048 said:
Are you on any of these box?
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Singsider
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leslie11;857224 said:
Yup. These big tuners often offer better, more comprehensive guarantees and warranties. So they tend to be safer options. Its best to go with a tuner that has a strong working relationship with the manufacturer (like MTM and Audi). The price is not cheap but you do pay for what you get.
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Singsider
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
Hi Bros,
Spoke to Calvin today as well. Nice chap!
He's given me some indication on price and min order quantity. Basically he charges $1.5K for each customer. This I think is a reasonable amount as the outlay on his end is considerable (about 30k Euro), and this is the average price for custom tunes. He also has his own dyno, so you can expect a high level of precision mapping for each car (Calvin is among the best in this business). Lastly, its the same protocol as the manufacturer, so it will not trigger the ecu flash counter.
He needs 30 customers to break even. While this sounds alot, his system allows for tuning of all F -series models (F10, F20, F30, etc). So we can actually combine with other F-series bros to hit this number. Btw, I'm not affiliated to Eurosports in any way, and my purpose is only to get my car tuned eventually and reliably.
If you are keen, please indicate here. Feel free to invite other F-series bros here as well!
Nick/Name/Model
1. Sunstorm/Lawrence/F20
2. Darren/F20 116i
3. Singsider / F20 118i
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Hi Bros,
Spoke to Calvin today as well. Nice chap!
He's given me some indication on price and min order quantity. Basically he charges $1.5K for each customer. This I think is a reasonable amount as the outlay on his end is considerable (about 30k Euro), and this is the average price for custom tunes. He also has his own dyno, so you can expect a high level of precision mapping for each car (Calvin is among the best in this business). Lastly, its the same protocol as the manufacturer, so it will not trigger the ecu flash counter.
He needs 30 customers to break even. While this sounds alot, his system allows for tuning of all F -series models (F10, F20, F30, etc). So we can actually combine with other F-series bros to hit this number. Btw, I'm not affiliated to Eurosports in any way, and my purpose is only to get my car tuned eventually and reliably.
If you are keen, please indicate here. Feel free to invite other F-series bros here as well!
Nick/Name/Model
1. Sunstorm/Lawrence/F20
2. Darren/F20 116i
3. Singsider / F20 118i
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5.
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ginmin
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
If is piggy back got to ask Peter to teach us how to plug out or if he can take out fr us like one day prior to service at pml n plug back in fr us. Usu piggy back not detectable unless something webt wrong. But what is the GB price fr the kellener?
leslie11;856978 said:
If is piggy back got to ask Peter to teach us how to plug out or if he can take out fr us like one day prior to service at pml n plug back in fr us. Usu piggy back not detectable unless something webt wrong. But what is the GB price fr the kellener?
leslie11
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
Guys, pls note that Juzz It Up and Juzz 4 Cars have gone their separate ways. I agree that the GB price should be 10-15% off. How much is the KS if we buy from them direct?
The installer for the piggyback will usually provide the removal and re-installation service as part of the piggyback package.
Added: Sorry Sunstorm for the OT, if you meant this thread for the custom tuner's discussion.
ginmin;865395 said:
Singsider;865409 said:My gut feel is around 2k.
Guys, pls note that Juzz It Up and Juzz 4 Cars have gone their separate ways. I agree that the GB price should be 10-15% off. How much is the KS if we buy from them direct?
The installer for the piggyback will usually provide the removal and re-installation service as part of the piggyback package.
Added: Sorry Sunstorm for the OT, if you meant this thread for the custom tuner's discussion.
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sunstorm
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
Hi Leslie,
no issues. I'm also quietly monitoring the thread to see if I can sufficiently get enough people interested. Once we have a suitable mass, then the conversations can start with Calvin.
On another note, while waiting for the critical mass to happen, I came across another tuning box from Koch. Custom map from Helmut Koch for 1 Series specifically addressing low end performance.
The price tag is alot more affordable compared to Kelleners and is marketed by Monster Tune. List Price is $1300 but I'm pretty sure a GB can bring it down too.
Numbers wise, similar to just about every tuning box currently in the market for the F20.
cheers
leslie11;865463 said:
Hi Leslie,
no issues. I'm also quietly monitoring the thread to see if I can sufficiently get enough people interested. Once we have a suitable mass, then the conversations can start with Calvin.
On another note, while waiting for the critical mass to happen, I came across another tuning box from Koch. Custom map from Helmut Koch for 1 Series specifically addressing low end performance.
The price tag is alot more affordable compared to Kelleners and is marketed by Monster Tune. List Price is $1300 but I'm pretty sure a GB can bring it down too.
Numbers wise, similar to just about every tuning box currently in the market for the F20.
cheers
Singsider
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Re: ECU tuning on the F20
Also quite an interesting tuning solution, especially for those who don't want to take risks on ECU tuning. Tuning boxes provide an affordable and reversible way to up your boost.
However if you want a smoother ride and more linear acceleration, then ecu tuning would be the best way to go. If Calvin can guarantee that the tune is undetectable by BMW diagnostics, then this would be a winner. Also good for those intending to mod their intake and exhaust later on.
sunstorm;865740 said:
Also quite an interesting tuning solution, especially for those who don't want to take risks on ECU tuning. Tuning boxes provide an affordable and reversible way to up your boost.
However if you want a smoother ride and more linear acceleration, then ecu tuning would be the best way to go. If Calvin can guarantee that the tune is undetectable by BMW diagnostics, then this would be a winner. Also good for those intending to mod their intake and exhaust later on.
