Ignition Upgrades

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

Especially, tests will runs up to thousands.... just to prove to customers and sell them a S$100++ product?????

It costs nothing to do a 4 run averaged acceleration test before and after. In this case an alleged 17hp at 3000 rpm would show up. This option has been mentioned and offered before, but never taken up.

Of cos, there is libel and defamatory inuendos in all your posts. So can i suggest that our MM is too old and unfit and say that they cannot sue me? We did check with lawyers and they did say you were threading the line very closely. We reserve the right to bring accusers to task and bear all responsibilities.

So don't pretend to be nice and inviting in public when long ago you already threatened to sue. Don't be two faced

Why not, you brought us down this road? We say the G-force readings are not accurate to the 0.01G. Prove it.

Who is we? You? You are saying you want G accuracy to the 0.01 G? That's your demand or your claim! You can prove it and go buy it. It'll cost you a lot though.. the sensor, the wiring so properly shielded, and the software to do proper filtering.

Nothing personal..... Yes there are rubber mounts made for this special purpose. Are you using them? Can a F1 team afford to have additional holes in their already optimised frames?

The lord mount natural frequencies are lower than a solidly mounted cup and so their errors are induced at a different frequency. Yet they all still have errors

Exactly. Cos all their heavier stuff is there.

No. You have no idea what you are talking about. If it was important they can place it there. They have the budgets to. They can even cast sensors into solid metal if they want. Or mould it into carbon.

They are multi-million dollar organisations and they too take such liberties. R2D operates at the lower levels and you want us to fund tests at the higher levels?

What is your logic? Pay $300 for dyno session and check every car, every part, every filter for every $200 mod...

Nope, run a basic half hour check of the car, especially the ignition system. Have a witness throughout the test. Run A, B, A. at least or more. Record temps. Don't leave the facility. These are simple things and completely practical and affordable compared to in block casting, stereolithography, 0.01G resolution measurements.

You are obfuscating the issue on purpose. Why is clear.

 

[jinooi]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

Tire in steady state lateral is 95% determinant of corner speed. All else equal with only tire changed, the lateral acceleration and time difference shows up immediately. Back to back testing, logged. Driver inputs logged too. Back to back tire swap, driver swaps, all done before. Everything inline

You have no clue as to how things go in real tests, how or what to measure on track. I do. So please don't even try. It's hilarious

dude, the joke's on you... there you go again assuming that you are the most knowledgeable, just because...

ok, even if i concede that you know better, since i've got nothing to lose... so kindly explain...

you mean to say that the 4sec improvement in timing is solely attributed to the tyre and nothing else?

all other parameters are the same? and you have taken all other factors like temps out of the equation?

the problem lies with the statement "... all else equal...", because that is not what happens on the track.

but i digress...

on one hand, in the parameters you have set (to determine the efficacy of the ignition upgrade), that as much as possible, try your best to replicate that same conditions. that is what you are trying to imply if i read correctly. hence the question on the 3-hour interval, etc. if there are any deviations in between, we will need to find out if they affect the results directly or indirectly.

on the other hand, you are saying that the improvement in lap time is solely attributed to the tyre and nothing else, when there are different drivers, the test was conducted on the track (albeit with a lot of logging equipment, multiple witnesses, etc. etc.)

i would like to see you consistently log the same time on the track, with the same tyre, in the same car (not considering the differences in time of day and how it affects the performance of the car). so unless you are saying that all your test drivers are comparable to those in F1.

but what do i know, i'm just a layman, trying to prove a self-appointed mythbuster wrong...

 

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

You say we are fakes, prove it.

Burden of proof is for you to prove that your claim is true. That's the way the world works.

As for evidence to show your test is invalid, I have already shown it.

baseline pull, another $150

You think we so free? No you start to say we should check this and that, Stop squirming and stand up and say you too have no right to question my methods. who are you? you are not even my customer.

I am a forum member that's who I am.

Yes I think you are so free. Free enough to sit here and argue, obfuscate the point. You could be running a proper valid test, proving your claim true and making money mate. Filling that ricebowl with rice. etc.

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Would you like me to forward everything you have put up on this thread to the largest Honda forum in the world and have 10 guys who are 10 times worse than me, tear everything you have said apart?

They would all laugh themselves silly at your dyno test, and your excuses, and the claim that it is still valid, and the supposed 17hp@3000 RPM gain.

 

[hitmee]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

take this off line la.

effective or not no one knows.
but dun break ppl's rice bowl when it is still not confirmed.

site sponsorship not cheap lei. milk say one.

 

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

you mean to say that the 4sec improvement in timing is solely attributed to the tyre and nothing else?

Same driver back to back within a few minutes of each other, nothing else changed except tires. The time drops immediately. 4 sec out of 150 sec is a lot in the track world, but you wouldn't know because you haven't tracked enough.

It is as close to a back to back test as you can get. Back to back testing is carried out internationally, changing one variable at a time.

It is no use that you question it. It is what every raceteam everywhere does. For drivers, tires, damper clicks, spring rates, ARB settings, aero, etc.

You want to talk about locking track conditions down to the second, it'll never happen.

Rig testing also shows grip levels. Forces generated by the tire in actual conditions are recording in lab controlled conditions.

on the other hand, you are saying that the improvement in lap time is solely attributed to the tyre and nothing else, when there are different drivers, the test was conducted on the track (albeit with a lot of logging equipment, multiple witnesses, etc. etc.)

i would like to see you consistently log the same time on the track, with the same tyre, in the same car (not considering the differences in time of day and how it affects the performance of the car). so unless you are saying that all your test drivers are comparable to those in F1.

Yes in fact I have done testing with drivers who have come from F1, LMP, DP, A1, GT1, GT2, JGTC too.

But driver short of F1 are still capable of very consistent times in cars they are used to driving, be it road car, touring, GT, whatever.

 

[milk15]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

It costs nothing to do a 4 run averaged acceleration test before and after. In this case an alleged 17hp at 3000 rpm would show up. This option has been mentioned and offered before, but never taken up.

Pai seh.... maybe i've missed that post...........
btw 4 run averaged acceleration test is Free??? or cost minimum only????

But i think in some of your posts, you required to do a fair or up to standard test by doing dyno at certain requirements...... as far as i know, it does not come cheap either...... (and cheap or not is depends on individual spending power.......)

For me.... pay a PRC S$400 to overnite is expensive..... but to SLK69 or Terry.... it's cheap and worth it.... :nehnehhh:

 

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

Pai seh.... maybe i've missed that post...........
btw 4 run averaged acceleration test is Free??? or cost minimum only????

But i think in some of your posts, you required to do a fair or up to standard test by doing dyno at certain requirements...... as far as i know, it does not come cheap either...... (and cheap or not is depends on individual spending power.......)

For me.... pay a PRC S$400 to overnite is expensive..... but to SLK69 or Terry.... it's cheap and worth it.... :nehnehhh:

Yup it's free

No prob with witnesses either. Everything recorded and out in the open

ABAB testing, both ways, runs averaged. 6 would be better just to be sure.

 

[hitmee]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

Pai seh.... maybe i've missed that post...........
btw 4 run averaged acceleration test is Free??? or cost minimum only????

But i think in some of your posts, you required to do a fair or up to standard test by doing dyno at certain requirements...... as far as i know, it does not come cheap either...... (and cheap or not is depends on individual spending power.......)

For me.... pay a PRC S$400 to overnite is expensive..... but to SLK69 or Terry.... it's cheap and worth it.... :nehnehhh:

u only eat thai chicken rice ............jeff say one

 

[jinooi]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

Same driver back to back within a few minutes of each other, nothing else changed except tires. The time drops immediately. 4 sec out of 150 sec is a lot in the track world, but you wouldn't know because you haven't tracked enough.

It is as close to a back to back test as you can get. Back to back testing is carried out internationally, changing one variable at a time.

It is no use that you question it. It is what every raceteam everywhere does. For drivers, tires, damper clicks, spring rates, ARB settings, aero, etc.

You want to talk about locking track conditions down to the second, it'll never happen.

Rig testing also shows grip levels. Forces generated by the tire in actual conditions are recording in lab controlled conditions.



Yes in fact I have done testing with drivers who have come from F1, LMP, DP, A1, GT1, GT2, JGTC too.

But driver short of F1 are still capable of very consistent times in cars they are used to driving, be it road car, touring, GT, whatever.

2 things i would like to dispute, and a simple 'yes' or 'no' would do...

1. your tyre test is accurate because everything was constant besides the tyre.

2. 'You want to talk about locking track conditions down to the second, it'll never happen' - so this applies to you but not to rodney?

if both your answers are 'yes', then there is no point arguing any further - it would be simply pointless. you are always right, because you know the best, no one else is qualified to even talk to you, and the standards you apply on everyone else does not apply to you.

wondering who was it who died and gave you the god-given right to be so judgemental...

 

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

of cos you have done that... so that gives you the morale high ground to speak down to others? We have no interest in what were the conditions of your education process. That was your baptism of fire. For your benefit.

Likewise, of what interest is your four coil B16 to anyone looking at whether this ignition mod really works or not? Or you building a loom? What does that have to do with a real test?

You have had the opportunity to learn and follow your dream. Who funded you education? how are you earning your keep to replay ypur parents? Are you financing your house, a wife, kids? how dare you come and disturb a business and say its not personal, only the truth?

What does this have to do with the ignition mod test?

My greatgrandma funded everything
I don't intend to repay her, sadly she passed a while ago
I'm financing my new PC

Why perform the test according to your specs? Again back to you. your specs, your conditions.

Not my specs, basic scientific specs.

A procedure all can agree on before hand
Witnesses
Basic temps logged

You say we are fakes, prove it.

The way the world works is, you say your mod is true, prove it.

Burden of proof is on you dear Rodney.

Don't ask me to prove I can't fly. Ask the guy who claims he can fly, to prove it

 

[Shaun]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

2. 'You want to talk about locking track conditions down to the second, it'll never happen' - so this applies to you but not to rodney?

Rodney's test does not take place at the track. There is no in built correction at the track on a lap. There is inbuilt correction in the dyno

On a lap there is no option of pausing at low load for temperatures to match the baseline. At the dyno, there is.

 

[ryan]

Re: Ignition Upgrades

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