Really Ass Luck !!!!
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156F1
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Hi Andrew, RFTs are not that expensive if buy from friendly shop (of course it is expensive when compared with normal tyre). I got my CSC3 SSR 245/40/18 at $425 a piece. The shop (Leong Seng) indicated that 17" would cost around $350'ish.
All shops selling RFT also claimed that RFT cannot be patched because the sidewall already weakened by driving on it deflated. I do not really understand the logic as a normal tyre would be worse of when punctured (with much weaker sidewall) and yet it is okay to patch.
Andrew68;865193 said:
Hi Andrew, RFTs are not that expensive if buy from friendly shop (of course it is expensive when compared with normal tyre). I got my CSC3 SSR 245/40/18 at $425 a piece. The shop (Leong Seng) indicated that 17" would cost around $350'ish.
All shops selling RFT also claimed that RFT cannot be patched because the sidewall already weakened by driving on it deflated. I do not really understand the logic as a normal tyre would be worse of when punctured (with much weaker sidewall) and yet it is okay to patch.
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sotongking
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...Wah! No lah! ...This one not me. If I kanna langgar rear bumper plus this ...I think should sell ride liao. Hahah!
wobbles;865095 said:
...Wah! No lah! ...This one not me. If I kanna langgar rear bumper plus this ...I think should sell ride liao. Hahah!
Re: Really Ass Luck !!!!
Hey bro, thks for the ref ( Leong Seng). Let me tell you the logic ..... They make more $$$ to sell a tyre than patching.
After leaving PML (Dunearn Rd), I drop by Shell station outside Vanda rd where a tyre shop is there. The uncle said he sells RFT but it's crazy for me to change a new one as mine is only afew days old. He said He had patched many RFT, what's the problem. He is really an honest guy. At last he charged $8 and I gave me $10 and KEEP THE CHANGE MAN !!!!!
Irregardless of whether the patching last, this uncle really earn my respect.
156F1;865467 said:
Hey bro, thks for the ref ( Leong Seng). Let me tell you the logic ..... They make more $$$ to sell a tyre than patching.
After leaving PML (Dunearn Rd), I drop by Shell station outside Vanda rd where a tyre shop is there. The uncle said he sells RFT but it's crazy for me to change a new one as mine is only afew days old. He said He had patched many RFT, what's the problem. He is really an honest guy. At last he charged $8 and I gave me $10 and KEEP THE CHANGE MAN !!!!!
Irregardless of whether the patching last, this uncle really earn my respect.
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http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/1...s.htm?page=all
Feature: Can you repair run-flat tires?
By Paul Williams; photos courtesy Bridgestone
Run-flat tires are becoming more common as original equipment on new vehicles. They save space, weight, and are designed to increase safety. But owners of vehicles with run-flat tires are asking, “In the event of a puncture, can a run-flat tire be repaired?”
The answers are “yes,” “no,” and “maybe,” depending on who you ask. For the definitive answer, read on.
The use of Bridgestone run-flat tires on the BMW 3 Series was the first large-scale, original equipment (OE) application of these tires in the North American market. At the time, there was a directive from tire-supplier Bridgestone to retailers not to repair damaged run-flat tires, instead sending them back to headquarters for inspection. Mark Kuykendall, Bridgestone’s Engineering Manager for Bridgestone Light Vehicle and Truck Tires, explained, “Initially, we didn’t want the tires repaired because we didn’t have sufficient field data.”
In other words, although the tires had been tested in controlled situations, there wasn’t data from thousands of applications over time upon which to base general conclusions concerning the effectiveness of run-flat tire repairs. Being cautious, Bridgestone requested that retailers fit a new tire, and send damaged/worn tires back for inspection, ultimately determining that the tires can safely be repaired.
Consequently, Bridgestone issued a Repair Procedure in May, 2005 for run-flat tires.
The procedure specifies that the inside of the tire must be professionally inspected (which means the tire must be off the wheel), and if it passes, then a patch/plug combination will effect a satisfactory repair.
This is confirmed by local Ottawa tire retailer, Frisby Tire. Manager Francis Peori states that his shop has successfully repaired many run-flat tires using the patch/plug method. “No problem at all,” says Mr. Peori, who has consulted with representatives of the major brands that make run-flat tires, including Bridgestone.
As an aside, it’s possible that the initial directive by Bridgestone not to repair its run-flat tires has circulated more widely than expected, leading to the mistaken conclusion that run-flat tires are not to be repaired, period. This conclusion is obsolete.
In some situations, however the tire won’t pass inspection and can’t be repaired. Contributing factors would be excessive heat compromising the structure of the tire (run-flats do run hotter than conventional tires), excessive load, and/or running the tire with no pressure for too long at excessive speeds.
How long is too long, and what’s too fast? The International Standards Organization (ISO) indicates that for a tire to be called “run-flat” it must be able to run at 80 km/h for 80 kilometres with no pressure. Beyond these minimums, your chances of successfully repairing the tire decrease.
Another indication of whether the tire can be repaired is via the car’s Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), which is part of the run-flat specification.
The TPMS system is informed by sensors in the wheels, and typically generates a two-stage warning consisting of a visual (light) and audible phase. When the light comes on, Mr. Kuykendall suggests, it means the pressure is low; when the audible warning sounds, indicating that the pressure is minimal or gone; you effectively have a “flat” tire (although it won’t look flat, as the sidewall provides support).
In both cases, adding air to the tire may help. If the tire pressure is low, adding air may temporarily solve the problem; if the pressure is gone, the tire may still hold some air for a while, which may extend the time you have to get to a garage or retailer. Carrying a small foot pump or 12-volt compressor in the car is a good idea for owners of vehicles with run-flat tires, therefore, especially if you drive in remote areas.
Mr. Kuykendall cautions against the use of aerosol products to inflate and/or repair a tire. Aerosol products are “90-percent water,” he says. Put that in your tire and you’ll ruin your TPMS wheel sensor (which may cost as much as a new tire to replace).
As far as repair sealants are concerned, Mr. Kuykendall’s opinion is that once a sealant goes in, the tire is unrepairable. However, temporary repair products such as Slime Spair are recommended by their manufacturers as TPMS-friendly, and plug/patch repairable.
In conclusion, the answer to the question, “Can run-flat tires be repaired?” is “Yes”. A run-flat tire can be repaired as long as it passes inspection by an authorized retailer who uses a plug/patch method (following the manufacturer’s recommended repair procedure). Opinions to the contrary are out of date.
Note that no tire, run-flat or conventional, can be repaired if the sidewall is perforated.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/1...s.htm?page=all
Feature: Can you repair run-flat tires?
By Paul Williams; photos courtesy Bridgestone
Run-flat tires are becoming more common as original equipment on new vehicles. They save space, weight, and are designed to increase safety. But owners of vehicles with run-flat tires are asking, “In the event of a puncture, can a run-flat tire be repaired?”
The answers are “yes,” “no,” and “maybe,” depending on who you ask. For the definitive answer, read on.
The use of Bridgestone run-flat tires on the BMW 3 Series was the first large-scale, original equipment (OE) application of these tires in the North American market. At the time, there was a directive from tire-supplier Bridgestone to retailers not to repair damaged run-flat tires, instead sending them back to headquarters for inspection. Mark Kuykendall, Bridgestone’s Engineering Manager for Bridgestone Light Vehicle and Truck Tires, explained, “Initially, we didn’t want the tires repaired because we didn’t have sufficient field data.”
In other words, although the tires had been tested in controlled situations, there wasn’t data from thousands of applications over time upon which to base general conclusions concerning the effectiveness of run-flat tire repairs. Being cautious, Bridgestone requested that retailers fit a new tire, and send damaged/worn tires back for inspection, ultimately determining that the tires can safely be repaired.
Consequently, Bridgestone issued a Repair Procedure in May, 2005 for run-flat tires.
The procedure specifies that the inside of the tire must be professionally inspected (which means the tire must be off the wheel), and if it passes, then a patch/plug combination will effect a satisfactory repair.
This is confirmed by local Ottawa tire retailer, Frisby Tire. Manager Francis Peori states that his shop has successfully repaired many run-flat tires using the patch/plug method. “No problem at all,” says Mr. Peori, who has consulted with representatives of the major brands that make run-flat tires, including Bridgestone.
As an aside, it’s possible that the initial directive by Bridgestone not to repair its run-flat tires has circulated more widely than expected, leading to the mistaken conclusion that run-flat tires are not to be repaired, period. This conclusion is obsolete.
In some situations, however the tire won’t pass inspection and can’t be repaired. Contributing factors would be excessive heat compromising the structure of the tire (run-flats do run hotter than conventional tires), excessive load, and/or running the tire with no pressure for too long at excessive speeds.
How long is too long, and what’s too fast? The International Standards Organization (ISO) indicates that for a tire to be called “run-flat” it must be able to run at 80 km/h for 80 kilometres with no pressure. Beyond these minimums, your chances of successfully repairing the tire decrease.
Another indication of whether the tire can be repaired is via the car’s Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS), which is part of the run-flat specification.
The TPMS system is informed by sensors in the wheels, and typically generates a two-stage warning consisting of a visual (light) and audible phase. When the light comes on, Mr. Kuykendall suggests, it means the pressure is low; when the audible warning sounds, indicating that the pressure is minimal or gone; you effectively have a “flat” tire (although it won’t look flat, as the sidewall provides support).
In both cases, adding air to the tire may help. If the tire pressure is low, adding air may temporarily solve the problem; if the pressure is gone, the tire may still hold some air for a while, which may extend the time you have to get to a garage or retailer. Carrying a small foot pump or 12-volt compressor in the car is a good idea for owners of vehicles with run-flat tires, therefore, especially if you drive in remote areas.
Mr. Kuykendall cautions against the use of aerosol products to inflate and/or repair a tire. Aerosol products are “90-percent water,” he says. Put that in your tire and you’ll ruin your TPMS wheel sensor (which may cost as much as a new tire to replace).
As far as repair sealants are concerned, Mr. Kuykendall’s opinion is that once a sealant goes in, the tire is unrepairable. However, temporary repair products such as Slime Spair are recommended by their manufacturers as TPMS-friendly, and plug/patch repairable.
In conclusion, the answer to the question, “Can run-flat tires be repaired?” is “Yes”. A run-flat tire can be repaired as long as it passes inspection by an authorized retailer who uses a plug/patch method (following the manufacturer’s recommended repair procedure). Opinions to the contrary are out of date.
Note that no tire, run-flat or conventional, can be repaired if the sidewall is perforated.
