Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
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Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Bo pian is like that one, people with head & face will always kenna headshot for every little thing they do.
Well with that being said I think that Danny TS guy is pretty upset because a lame excuse was given plus he is also a dog lover?
Cannot blame people for being emotional lah....
People say Jabba Hutt and Kenn are the same person, I refuse to believe and will stand by Kenn to fight all accusations!!!! He is DA MAN!!
Bo pian is like that one, people with head & face will always kenna headshot for every little thing they do.
Well with that being said I think that Danny TS guy is pretty upset because a lame excuse was given plus he is also a dog lover?
Cannot blame people for being emotional lah....
People say Jabba Hutt and Kenn are the same person, I refuse to believe and will stand by Kenn to fight all accusations!!!! He is DA MAN!!
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
I'm a dog lover and a driver and most of all, I'm human.
All the bashing has starting way before elections, throughout elections and post elections. So much emotions and all over cyberspace. All people know is to bash and bash and forget the basic of all humanity... Live and let live.
When you live in a neighbourhood with loads of cats blocking your driveway, you will know what I mean. You can horn, crawl at minimal speed and you can end up hitting them. But if you hit them, what can you do? Whose fault?
I love animals and I spent my fortune getting my dog's life back so don't be so quick to judge.
rex7_vtec;755623 said:
I'm a dog lover and a driver and most of all, I'm human.
All the bashing has starting way before elections, throughout elections and post elections. So much emotions and all over cyberspace. All people know is to bash and bash and forget the basic of all humanity... Live and let live.
When you live in a neighbourhood with loads of cats blocking your driveway, you will know what I mean. You can horn, crawl at minimal speed and you can end up hitting them. But if you hit them, what can you do? Whose fault?
I love animals and I spent my fortune getting my dog's life back so don't be so quick to judge.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
ya lor... how can ppl bang dog down liao after that come back say he thought brush tail only
the anger directed at him imo is due not him hitting the dog tho that is unfortunate, but how he handled the situation after. came back, buah bodoh, give cock excuse then give reporter another excuse...
BlackCookie;755619 said:
ya lor... how can ppl bang dog down liao after that come back say he thought brush tail only
the anger directed at him imo is due not him hitting the dog tho that is unfortunate, but how he handled the situation after. came back, buah bodoh, give cock excuse then give reporter another excuse...
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Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
look on the brightside... at least in Singapore people are bashing on the net... in some other countries they are bashing in real life...
in some countries remy might have been bashed to death for hitting the dog...
and in some countries... whoever wrote the report and make it big...also kena bash to death...
in sg its all words in the net.... we should be thankful
look on the brightside... at least in Singapore people are bashing on the net... in some other countries they are bashing in real life...
in some countries remy might have been bashed to death for hitting the dog...
and in some countries... whoever wrote the report and make it big...also kena bash to death...
in sg its all words in the net.... we should be thankful
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Don't we all say silly things when we're distressed? I'm not saying there's no fault... I'm just saying we should be kinder with words.
Don't we all say silly things when we're distressed? I'm not saying there's no fault... I'm just saying we should be kinder with words.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
I am not sure Remy has pet dogs....If he has and assuming he did hit the dog, I believe he would have stop and help...As long as u report police about the accident there is no issue....sorry..I have 2 dogs and one of them is an adopted stray outside my house...old and abandoned by some fcking^%$^&&**II SOB.
I am not sure Remy has pet dogs....If he has and assuming he did hit the dog, I believe he would have stop and help...As long as u report police about the accident there is no issue....sorry..I have 2 dogs and one of them is an adopted stray outside my house...old and abandoned by some fcking^%$^&&**II SOB.
DrK
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Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
I used to cycle along that path. When I was cycling there earlier this month around CNY on a weekday, I think I saw this dog. Heavily pregnant with alot of nipples. She was throtting happily but she was the only stray dog running past me. Sad to know she is gone, with an unborn puppy as well. Hopefully she will have a better afterlife, whoever believes in recarnation.
I don't wish to take sides or add oil to fire based on what car he drives or who he is. I don't even know this guy and I seriously have no interest in meeting him whatsoever. Famous or not famous, he doesn't stir my soul. To me, he is human. He has a brain and he can differentiate right from wrong and he has EQ which makes him having a conscience. The dog, on the other hand, has a lower IQ and definitely can't tell you this from that because well.. it is an animal afterall. To put things into better perspective, he was in a machine travelling at X km/h. The dog was moving on its legs. Legs vs machine.. you be the judge.
That road is prone to driver speeding. It is an empty stretch of road. Maybe the dog has a stretch of bad luck. Maybe the porsche was too low and he didn't see it coming. Maybe he was speeding. These are probable causes. What about the effects? He should have stopped. No questions about it. If it had been a small bird or squirrel, maybe the driver might not felt it under the wheel. A dog of this size, it is just impossible to ignore. It didn't have a chance I believe.
My beloved cat was a hit-and-run last year. I witnessed a terrible hit-and-run of a dog in AMK by 3 cars(yes 3 cars and none stopped) several years ago. 10 years ago, I saw a carcess of a dog (from another hit-and-run) with blood oozing from its mouth. The body had already hardened. These things have left a bitter taste in my mouth. To be compassionate requires alot of effort from humans. Because we are complicated beings. I can only say what goes around comes around. I hope he can repent and drive safely next time.
I used to cycle along that path. When I was cycling there earlier this month around CNY on a weekday, I think I saw this dog. Heavily pregnant with alot of nipples. She was throtting happily but she was the only stray dog running past me. Sad to know she is gone, with an unborn puppy as well. Hopefully she will have a better afterlife, whoever believes in recarnation.
I don't wish to take sides or add oil to fire based on what car he drives or who he is. I don't even know this guy and I seriously have no interest in meeting him whatsoever. Famous or not famous, he doesn't stir my soul. To me, he is human. He has a brain and he can differentiate right from wrong and he has EQ which makes him having a conscience. The dog, on the other hand, has a lower IQ and definitely can't tell you this from that because well.. it is an animal afterall. To put things into better perspective, he was in a machine travelling at X km/h. The dog was moving on its legs. Legs vs machine.. you be the judge.
That road is prone to driver speeding. It is an empty stretch of road. Maybe the dog has a stretch of bad luck. Maybe the porsche was too low and he didn't see it coming. Maybe he was speeding. These are probable causes. What about the effects? He should have stopped. No questions about it. If it had been a small bird or squirrel, maybe the driver might not felt it under the wheel. A dog of this size, it is just impossible to ignore. It didn't have a chance I believe.
My beloved cat was a hit-and-run last year. I witnessed a terrible hit-and-run of a dog in AMK by 3 cars(yes 3 cars and none stopped) several years ago. 10 years ago, I saw a carcess of a dog (from another hit-and-run) with blood oozing from its mouth. The body had already hardened. These things have left a bitter taste in my mouth. To be compassionate requires alot of effort from humans. Because we are complicated beings. I can only say what goes around comes around. I hope he can repent and drive safely next time.
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Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Remy Ong is a friend, not just a forumer. I have not spoken to him as yet. Everything I know about the case comes from forums and news media, and hence I am taking a neutral stance in this episode.
My take:
(1) He is at (some, if not all) fault for not stopping and staying back. I will not go deeper in any argument whether he should or should not have, but we need to know that the individual response can be very situational - dependent on circumstances and panic factor. Please be mindful we could have done the same in some circumstances, example on NSHW, or on some dark stretches of Lim Chu Kang. Most of us would wanna think that we will stop and check out what we hit or how is the injured animal. But in truth, it all depends on circumstances. Let's not judge as if we are without sins and therefore could cast the first stone. But still, in my opinion, he should have stopped and stayed back and checked for the injuries of whatever he hit - be a dog or a toddler. Nevertheless, that's a judgement lapse at flashpoint, not necessarily indicative of his true character.
(2) He was not sure of the contact - he said he felt that the dog's tail has brushed against his car. I do not wanna dwell on the validity of his statement, but who will exactly be sure of how the collision happened? So, yes, perhaps it sounded like a tall tale to some, but that could well be the truth. Perhaps he was not good with his words, but I think the spirit should be innocent until proven guilty. Any judgement should be on what is fact, not what is opinion.
(3) He went back to the scene, waited for SPCA with the crowd. Not the easiest thing to do, but he did that. Sure, sceptics will say that's because the licence plate was left behind, and hence he had to drive back to retrieve. That's not verified, just pure speculation. Please give him credit for that, unless you are all out to bash him no matter what.
(4) He accepts responsibility for the matter - admission of wrong-doing. What else should he be doing, given that he has already committed a lapse of judgement?
(5) I could not see any relevance of him driving a "black Porsche Boxster" unless the crime is amplified based on marque. Serious socio-behavioural flaws in the media reporting. Akin to those "drive Porsche big fark" comments on STOMP.
(6) I also could not see any relevance of him being a national bowler here. Anyone could have made this wrong judgement call of not stopping at site of accident. He made a wrong judgement call, but please do not crucify him based on supposedly higher moral grounds. National sportsmen might be role models to some, but they are humans too. One could label him as "irresponsible after an accident" but no one can say he is a morally questionable person, unlike a politcian who is suspected of adultery.
The context of assigning blame to him has to be fair.
Remy Ong is a friend, not just a forumer. I have not spoken to him as yet. Everything I know about the case comes from forums and news media, and hence I am taking a neutral stance in this episode.
My take:
(1) He is at (some, if not all) fault for not stopping and staying back. I will not go deeper in any argument whether he should or should not have, but we need to know that the individual response can be very situational - dependent on circumstances and panic factor. Please be mindful we could have done the same in some circumstances, example on NSHW, or on some dark stretches of Lim Chu Kang. Most of us would wanna think that we will stop and check out what we hit or how is the injured animal. But in truth, it all depends on circumstances. Let's not judge as if we are without sins and therefore could cast the first stone. But still, in my opinion, he should have stopped and stayed back and checked for the injuries of whatever he hit - be a dog or a toddler. Nevertheless, that's a judgement lapse at flashpoint, not necessarily indicative of his true character.
(2) He was not sure of the contact - he said he felt that the dog's tail has brushed against his car. I do not wanna dwell on the validity of his statement, but who will exactly be sure of how the collision happened? So, yes, perhaps it sounded like a tall tale to some, but that could well be the truth. Perhaps he was not good with his words, but I think the spirit should be innocent until proven guilty. Any judgement should be on what is fact, not what is opinion.
(3) He went back to the scene, waited for SPCA with the crowd. Not the easiest thing to do, but he did that. Sure, sceptics will say that's because the licence plate was left behind, and hence he had to drive back to retrieve. That's not verified, just pure speculation. Please give him credit for that, unless you are all out to bash him no matter what.
(4) He accepts responsibility for the matter - admission of wrong-doing. What else should he be doing, given that he has already committed a lapse of judgement?
(5) I could not see any relevance of him driving a "black Porsche Boxster" unless the crime is amplified based on marque. Serious socio-behavioural flaws in the media reporting. Akin to those "drive Porsche big fark" comments on STOMP.
(6) I also could not see any relevance of him being a national bowler here. Anyone could have made this wrong judgement call of not stopping at site of accident. He made a wrong judgement call, but please do not crucify him based on supposedly higher moral grounds. National sportsmen might be role models to some, but they are humans too. One could label him as "irresponsible after an accident" but no one can say he is a morally questionable person, unlike a politcian who is suspected of adultery.
The context of assigning blame to him has to be fair.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Let me reproduce an objective article:
Have you ever watched the uber successful television series C.S.I?
You know that one which spawned other equally successful C.S.I Miami and C.S.I New York?
Yeah?
You want to know what is their secret to being so awesome over the years?
It’s all really very simple: Every single episode revolves around three elements.
One: You need a dead body.
Two: You need corroborative physical evidence.
Three: You need witness testimony.
And that’s about it.
That’s what the entire franchise essentially runs on. Get all these elements strung together and have the case solved before the hour’s over and the audience will be wetting themselves with delight.
Basically what viewers are getting every single episode week after week is a rehash of these three fundamental elements.
They can be tossed up with some mind boggling CGI, twisted time series, unique extraction methods for DNA samples, witness accounts, fortuitous discovery of evidence and a compelling narrative standpoint.
And the scariest thing about it is that no one actually ever gets bored of watching it.
So here’s the point of today’s missive: If you’re wondering why everyone seems to be on to our national bowler Remy Ong’s case after his alleged doggy hit-and-run, it’s because we’ve got a bare bones C.S.I. story on our hands.
One: We’ve got a compelling evidence of a dead body. Well, make that a few dead bodies considering the doggy was expecting.
Two: We’ve got a license plate that is more than enough to serve as physical evidence to pinpoint a culprit.
Three: We’ve got a whistle-blowing eye witness account posted on Facebook that belongs to a real person.
So, if you’re wondering where on Earth all the public outrage is coming from, it is probably not because Remy is famous and drives a Porsche.
My guess is that the sum of these three components is pulling a combined weight that is much, much greater than any individual factor alone could have mustered.
And also perhaps due to the witness claim that Remy did not stop immediately to help the wounded animal. This is, without a doubt, the most damning indictment, although real intent to escape from the scene in this case is going to be very difficult to prove and can be argued about until the cows come home.
I mean, Remy returned to the scene eventually, didn’t he?
But I’d like to speak on behalf of people who drive and commiserate with other road users: Sometimes, animals are completely unpredictable when they are approaching the road.
I have on at least two occasions braked very hard to avoid driving into what could perhaps be a very big rat or a very small cat.
Only to have it scurry away.
It’s really a blink-and-miss-it kind of thing.
But having said that, judging from the pictures of the size of the dog that got hit, one might have to admit to be GOING PRETTY FAST to run something this big over without even realising it — if that’s what Remy’s going to use as his defence.
Just saying.
Let me reproduce an objective article:
Have you ever watched the uber successful television series C.S.I?
You know that one which spawned other equally successful C.S.I Miami and C.S.I New York?
Yeah?
You want to know what is their secret to being so awesome over the years?
It’s all really very simple: Every single episode revolves around three elements.
One: You need a dead body.
Two: You need corroborative physical evidence.
Three: You need witness testimony.
And that’s about it.
That’s what the entire franchise essentially runs on. Get all these elements strung together and have the case solved before the hour’s over and the audience will be wetting themselves with delight.
Basically what viewers are getting every single episode week after week is a rehash of these three fundamental elements.
They can be tossed up with some mind boggling CGI, twisted time series, unique extraction methods for DNA samples, witness accounts, fortuitous discovery of evidence and a compelling narrative standpoint.
And the scariest thing about it is that no one actually ever gets bored of watching it.
So here’s the point of today’s missive: If you’re wondering why everyone seems to be on to our national bowler Remy Ong’s case after his alleged doggy hit-and-run, it’s because we’ve got a bare bones C.S.I. story on our hands.
One: We’ve got a compelling evidence of a dead body. Well, make that a few dead bodies considering the doggy was expecting.
Two: We’ve got a license plate that is more than enough to serve as physical evidence to pinpoint a culprit.
Three: We’ve got a whistle-blowing eye witness account posted on Facebook that belongs to a real person.
So, if you’re wondering where on Earth all the public outrage is coming from, it is probably not because Remy is famous and drives a Porsche.
My guess is that the sum of these three components is pulling a combined weight that is much, much greater than any individual factor alone could have mustered.
And also perhaps due to the witness claim that Remy did not stop immediately to help the wounded animal. This is, without a doubt, the most damning indictment, although real intent to escape from the scene in this case is going to be very difficult to prove and can be argued about until the cows come home.
I mean, Remy returned to the scene eventually, didn’t he?
But I’d like to speak on behalf of people who drive and commiserate with other road users: Sometimes, animals are completely unpredictable when they are approaching the road.
I have on at least two occasions braked very hard to avoid driving into what could perhaps be a very big rat or a very small cat.
Only to have it scurry away.
It’s really a blink-and-miss-it kind of thing.
But having said that, judging from the pictures of the size of the dog that got hit, one might have to admit to be GOING PRETTY FAST to run something this big over without even realising it — if that’s what Remy’s going to use as his defence.
Just saying.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Go easy on the tough words and the pre-judgement. It could happen to any of us. This evening.
What, exactly, do the vigilantes want out of this? On a related note, I want to say I see cyclists taking up an entire lane on the two-way road everytime I'm at NSRCC. Maybe it's time to ban cars from roads.
Go easy on the tough words and the pre-judgement. It could happen to any of us. This evening.
What, exactly, do the vigilantes want out of this? On a related note, I want to say I see cyclists taking up an entire lane on the two-way road everytime I'm at NSRCC. Maybe it's time to ban cars from roads.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Those proper cyclists are actually quite ok. They actually obey traffic rules and when they wanna turnm they will use hand signals and even wave thanks to you for your patience.
Its those PRC cyclists tat rile me. I say PRC not because I am a racist but the ones I encountered (and there are MANY encounters cos my house is close to two major wafer fab plants) ride their bikes as if they own the road, some using hp, some chatting away like they are in their farms, some SMSing and some actually singing away.. and most cycle in groups of 3-4 and DO NOT obey traffic rules. They cycle across the roads even when the Red Man light is up, they take up the extreme right lane on a 3 lane road and the list goes on..
Those proper cyclists are actually quite ok. They actually obey traffic rules and when they wanna turnm they will use hand signals and even wave thanks to you for your patience.
Its those PRC cyclists tat rile me. I say PRC not because I am a racist but the ones I encountered (and there are MANY encounters cos my house is close to two major wafer fab plants) ride their bikes as if they own the road, some using hp, some chatting away like they are in their farms, some SMSing and some actually singing away.. and most cycle in groups of 3-4 and DO NOT obey traffic rules. They cycle across the roads even when the Red Man light is up, they take up the extreme right lane on a 3 lane road and the list goes on..
DrK
Well-Known Member
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Fully agreed that accidents and collisions are situational. In this situation, unfortunately it speaks for the dog and against the driver. One, this isn't NSW. Two, this isn't Lim Chu Kang. Three, it isn't dark, in fact it was in bright daylight. Four, that stretch of road does not permit travelling at more than 30km/h. I used to cycle there all the time so I know. It is a 2-lane road, very narrow and not possible to overtake without taking calculated risks. Five, the dog's tails brushed against the car - this would surmount to broken hind legs of the canine at best - not internal injuries (with blood oozing from nose and mouth) which suggests a full body impact. Six, the most righteous man is known to find excuses when shite happens. Everyone in this situation would like to scurry out of the pits as unscathed as possible, in terms of reputation and criminal offence record sake. It is his words vs a dead dog. I will take it with a pinch of salt even if he is related to me. Yes, skeptism is necessary when you have to investigate something from all corners.
In the end, the verdict is Driver 1 - 0 Dead Dog. As I had said before, machine vs legs. Who will stand a chance even at 10km/h? This kind of hit-and-run is way too repetitive when comes to verdicts.
kenntona;755644 said:
Fully agreed that accidents and collisions are situational. In this situation, unfortunately it speaks for the dog and against the driver. One, this isn't NSW. Two, this isn't Lim Chu Kang. Three, it isn't dark, in fact it was in bright daylight. Four, that stretch of road does not permit travelling at more than 30km/h. I used to cycle there all the time so I know. It is a 2-lane road, very narrow and not possible to overtake without taking calculated risks. Five, the dog's tails brushed against the car - this would surmount to broken hind legs of the canine at best - not internal injuries (with blood oozing from nose and mouth) which suggests a full body impact. Six, the most righteous man is known to find excuses when shite happens. Everyone in this situation would like to scurry out of the pits as unscathed as possible, in terms of reputation and criminal offence record sake. It is his words vs a dead dog. I will take it with a pinch of salt even if he is related to me. Yes, skeptism is necessary when you have to investigate something from all corners.
In the end, the verdict is Driver 1 - 0 Dead Dog. As I had said before, machine vs legs. Who will stand a chance even at 10km/h? This kind of hit-and-run is way too repetitive when comes to verdicts.
Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
Im just curious. Those that whack him jialat jialat issit because they know him personally but don't like him because they find him LL, GL or just anyhow hantam because of herd instinct?
If he was a nice guy like Luke Skywalker will it stir so many emotional comments? If Jabba Hutt, I can understand.
I don't know Remy. Seen his face but never spoken to him. I'm a dog lover, still getting over the loss of my beloved husky a month ago but yet I don't see myself making a judgement call based on sympathy for the heart aching death of the mother dog with 2 babies. So how is it so many people can still type like an internet hero? Never really understood this part.
Im just curious. Those that whack him jialat jialat issit because they know him personally but don't like him because they find him LL, GL or just anyhow hantam because of herd instinct?
If he was a nice guy like Luke Skywalker will it stir so many emotional comments? If Jabba Hutt, I can understand.
I don't know Remy. Seen his face but never spoken to him. I'm a dog lover, still getting over the loss of my beloved husky a month ago but yet I don't see myself making a judgement call based on sympathy for the heart aching death of the mother dog with 2 babies. So how is it so many people can still type like an internet hero? Never really understood this part.
jasonmaxima
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Re: Singapore Best bowler, Nat athlete, Int'l Bowler - Hit and Run Reported
why never post pics of damage on remy ong's car?
why never post pics of damage on remy ong's car?
