STOMP Features burning Cayman

[acupunch]

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Well put it this way, even with good distance between cars all it takes is a goondu driver to cut into your lane while you are charging at 180km/h or more and you will either slam into it, hit the railings on the right, hit the rear of a vehicle on the left lanes or end up in the ditch.

Regardless is it a porky or a perodua with 455mm 24 piston full carbon ceramic brakes.

when a driver drives at that speed (e.g 160KMP +) he/she is at risk but he/she is putting even greater risk on other road user. be it Micheal Shoe Maker, Kimi Fruits or Ah Long Soh. it takes a great responsibility for a driver to be on the road than on the track in my opinion.

BTW, I'm sorry to hear about your sad memories.

I agree with Acupunch..

Well no point talking about other ppl how they drive, how goondu they are...we cannot control how they drive...BUT! we CAN control how WE drive...so if you want to drive fast ridiculous speed and crash its YOUR problem cos you cannot control yourself and your car. can't blame others.

I am not against anyone who wanna drive fast cos Speed Don't Kill, its Attitude and ego that kills.

thanks bro. totally agreed with your last quotes. +1

 

[Shaun]

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Yes Mark, KE=1/2(MV^2) note the V^2 (Velocity squared) relation. So when you double Velocity, you quadruple Kinetic Energy. In the absence of downforce, as is the case with almost all street cars, the brakes and tires working together can only convert the KE to heat energy at a linear rate. Most street cars actually produce lift at speed. Lift also increases as a square of velocity. This would in fact slightly further increase braking distances on top of the already V^2 relation attached to plain mass.

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Understood and completely agree, perhaps its because of my loss that I have a strong view of errant or ignorant drivers who have totally no regards for fellow road users.

Yet again with that being said my personal views are kept strictly to myself and is not forced onto anyone.

Barry, I don't quite understand. Do you think I am forcing my views onto anyone by mentioning them on a public discussion forum?

 

[rex7_vtec]

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Nope of course not, just stating my personal views

 

[R33Devil]

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On NS or any form of highspeed driving.

It is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to ensure that the overtaking be done in a safe manner. You cannot blame the proton for the high speed in which one comes up upon. Driving on any freeway in Asia, and expecting to deal with 200km/h projectiles, this is an extraordinary circumstance.

I can tell you this particular form of accident and likewise for many others, no one to blame but the drivers themselves. They are lucky to be alive and should count their lucky stars. Convoy driving is no easy feat and thus a significant number of drivers assume that their ticket into high speed driving is granted.

Defensive Driving, if you cannot control your car in circumstances and judge ahead, you best not be driving within these circumstances.

The North South is a godsend for those automobile junkies who like to explore the upper limits of their cars. Instead of playing the blame game, we should be grateful to the Malaysian Police and their counterparts for coming to the rescue and putting out the fire.
I find it amazing that people are quick to blame, but no one would give credit to the MY police for coming to the scene in a quick and responsive manner.

All in all, be safe out there. Learn to respect your car, the people in the environment in which you use your car and lastly yourself.

 

[R33Devil]

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Barry, I don't quite understand. Do you think I am forcing my views onto anyone by mentioning them on a public discussion forum?

stop being such a bitch...getting all sensitive and shit....:juggle:

 

[marklee]

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Yes Mark, KE=1/2(MV^2) note the V^2 (Velocity squared) relation. So when you double Velocity, you quadruple Kinetic Energy. In the absence of downforce, as is the case with almost all street cars, the brakes and tires working together can only convert the KE to heat energy at a constant rate. Constant reduction of KE applied to total KE that varies as square of speed = braking distances that vary as square of speed.

Yeah..makes sense always knew about the formula for K.E..but never thought about the relation of K.E with braking distance.

 

[Shaun]

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wotwoghe oieag eagi wpoihaeg wia .........h...getting a

stop being such a bitch...getting all sensitive and shit....:juggle:

 

[ACS6]

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Simple case of pure stupidity...goes to show money can buy nice cars but can't buy you brains. Hope the driver walks away having learnt an important lesson in life.

I'm guilty of such behavior, esp. in a convoy of 6ltr V8s driving in the States...but after losing control at 230kph and walking away without a single scratch (i.e. both myself and car) I'll never forget that 'curry in the pants' sensation. Huge lesson learnt.

 

[///M3]

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ouch,....poor porsche..

 

[Rastaman]

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Oh geez..sad for those buggers man ! ........ just hope those guys sort it out amicably between themselves..it can get touchy especially for the guys at e back of the convoy leader or whatever...

When in doubt passing a string of cars on e left at high speed 180kp+ , do what is necessary to get their attention (its yr life mate) , flash yr head lights fm far away (and i mean far away) so that those buggers wake up n not when u r near. The close in speed is so fast , think like 15 secs or more n u r there behind them !!! im guilty of pushing it too but i always have this mentality that someone is gonna fark me up in front ...so i go into defensive mode ! u gotta think yr evasive moves before hand ! ..seriously guys , im more afraid of tyre blow outs than goondu m'sian drivers !

have u guys ever thot abt it ? scary !

 

[edlms]

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Oh geez..sad for those buggers man ! ........ just hope those guys sort it out amicably between themselves..it can get touchy especially for the guys at e back of the convoy leader or whatever...

When in doubt passing a string of cars on e left at high speed 180kp+ , do what is necessary to get their attention (its yr life mate) , flash yr head lights fm far away (and i mean far away) so that those buggers wake up n not when u r near. The close in speed is so fast , think like 15 secs or more n u r there behind them !!! im guilty of pushing it too but i always have this mentality that someone is gonna fark me up in front ...so i go into defensive mode ! u gotta think yr evasive moves before hand ! ..seriously guys , im more afraid of tyre blow outs than goondu m'sian drivers !

have u guys ever thot abt it ? scary !

agreed bro. whenever i approach cars on the left, i make an effort to lift off the throttle, even slow down a little, and anticipate driver error on their part. i guess the slower drivers don't know what it feels like to do 200km/h, as much as we don't know what it feels like to do 300km/h.

i had a friend who was convoying with us during the last TD and he wasn't experienced in NSH driving. He was behind me and whenever someone came out from the left lane, i would go heavy on the brakes (as befitting the situation). However, my friend would only lift off, intending to "cruise" and slow down, like driving on sg expressways. he came too close to me several times and i had to warn him off several times telling him to be more alert to high speed braking.

we know braking from 110km/h is VERY VERY different from braking from 210km/h. Unfortunately, the drivers of trucks, lorries, buses etc don't. a car 200 or 300m away may seem far and thus safe to enter the overtaking lane, but we know it's not.

therefore, it's incumbent on the overtaking cars to pass safely.

cheers.

 

[Racebred]

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This applies to anyone driving, anywhere. Once the driver makes a conscious decision to travel above the speed limit, he must also decide that whatever consequences happen, he has to accept it. The first decision (of deciding to speed) cannot come without the second.

It's the same for bike riders to squeeze in between lanes, squeeze in front of cars, taxis that drive in an agressive manner, cars that decide to overtake from the left, people who decide to beat a flashing amber, those who decide to tailgate without a safety distance. The second decision of accepting any consequence that comes as a result of your action must be made too. There's no blaming anyone.

 

[totoseow]

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sibei wu li you....like me in car. nose suddenly itchy. on my left got big big bus. on my right got big big lorry with many many bangras. i had to dig my nose. if i dig...the ppl in the bus n the bangras in the lorry sure luff at me. The first decision (of deciding to dig) cannot come without the second.

racebred. i second u!

 

[titanic]

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Where's centurion? It's pretty rare that after 51 posts, he hasn't left us with a piece of his brilliant mind here.

 

[Racebred]

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guess what only yesterday, at the traffic lights, the van stopped next to me had an auntie passenger. I looked right, and saw the auntie digging her nose. She saw me looking at her, then proceeded to dig the other nostril. Obviously she's made up her mind to dig regardless.

 

[Mockngbrd]

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the auntie got her priorities

 

[kenntona]

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I looked right, and saw the auntie digging her nose. She saw me looking at her, then proceeded to dig the other nostril. Obviously she's made up her mind to dig regardless.

Buy one get one free !!!

 

[///M3]

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Buy one get one free !!!

 

[axl]

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To play the devil's advocate:

Does that mean it would have been perfectly alright for the convoy to put right-signal on/high-beam, and if the Proton had swang out and block the convoy, it would have been the latter's fault since it's roadhogging?

But since now, the facts are that it has swung out and caused the accident, it automatically becomes the speeding convoy's fault?

* Is there a grey area with regards to the numerous threads condemning anti-roadhoggers present in this very forum?

To put in another way, if a member of that P convoy has posted about the Proton swinging out and causing the entire convoy to e-brake (and possibly hogging the RHS lane for a while), but nothing happened, can the guys here honestly say, they won't post and chastise the Proton driver, thus becoming a "reckless swing-out NS car-bashing" thread instead?

Just trying to point out that there's only a thin grey line between facts; personally I feel that some are too quick to condemn. But then again, it is always easier to take the seemingly holier stand in a self-appointed Judge's chair.

My 2 cents.

[* EDITED: "anti" shd not be there]

 

[edlms]

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To play the devil's advocate:

Does that mean it would have been perfectly alright for the convoy to put right-signal on/high-beam, and if the proton had swang out and block the convoy, it would have been the latter's fault since it's roadhogging?

But since now, the facts are that it has swung out and caused the accident, it automatically becomes the speeding convoy's fault?

Is there a grey area with regards to the numerous threads condemning anti-roadhoggers present in this very forum?

To put in another way, if a member of that P convoy has posted about the Proton swinging out and causing the entire convoy to e-brake (and possibly hogging the RHS lane for a while), but nothing happened, can the guys here honestly say, they won't post and chastise the Proton driver, thus becoming a "reckless swing-out NS car-bashing" thread instead?

Just trying to point out that there's only a thin grey line between facts; personally I feel that some are too quick to condemn. But then again, it is always easier to take the seemingly holier stand in a self-appointed Judge's chair.

My 2 cents.

you've raised good and valid points. that's why i always punctuate my swear words with a "f@#ed up Singaporean/Malaysian* driver (*delete where applicable) whenever someone cuts into my lane on the NSH.

Yes there is a grey area. But we must acknowledge the differences between fault (whether legal, moral or etiquette) and risk and responsibility.

it may well have been the hypothetical Proton's FAULT, but the e-braking car behind ought to know full well that the NSH is crawling with such drivers yet to the risk to go fast, and therefore has to bear the responsibility for any adverse consequences. likewise, it may have been the convoy's partial FAULT for failing to keep sufficient distance between cars...

Cheers