The BMW Brand

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Is that the IS250?

For manual override of auto/manumatic transmissions, your point is golden - `you can't tell which gear it's in' especially for quiet cars like BMW and Lexus sedans. The manual gearstick is the gear position indicator in itself, that's why for a fun car I'll take the manual only.

The 630i is nice but pretty boring to drive (relative to the dedicated fun cars). If you want there's a guy with 1 year 630i black auto coupe (use key, not press button start, last of that version), 272hp version IIRC. Perfect condition. Owner wants a boxster or something. Not much different from your IS or GS though, 'ceptin wheel a bit fatter than the Lexuses though I don't know whether that's a plus or minus to you. I don't touch that car much so you're safe in knowing that the rpm never goes more than 3000 most of the time. Mileage is miniscule.
 
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caySman;180940 said:
Is that the IS250?

For manual override of auto/manumatic transmissions, your point is golden - `you can't tell which gear it's in' especially for quiet cars like BMW and Lexus sedans. The manual gearstick is the gear position indicator in itself, that's why for a fun car I'll take the manual only.

The 630i is nice but pretty boring to drive (relative to the dedicated fun cars). If you want there's a guy with 1 year 630i black auto coupe (use key, not press button start, last of that version), 272hp version IIRC. Perfect condition. Owner wants a boxster or something. Not much different from your IS or GS though, 'ceptin wheel a bit fatter than the Lexuses though I don't know whether that's a plus or minus to you. I don't touch that car much so you're safe in knowing that the rpm never goes more than 3000 most of the time. Mileage is miniscule.

Thanks for the heads up. I am not quite done with upgrading my Bimmer bits yet, so that project still has a bit to run. But I derive great satisfaction from it. The 6 series is for the near future, and I hope it might be a white one. My current bmw is white too. Wife's IS250 is just terrific. I have driven it in ways I hope she doesn't see and when the going gets really tough, on the worst possible roads, she is as good as anything in the class, and probably better in longevity.

But I love my bimmer. Between my brother and I we have 4 of them. And yes, I agree with you on the manual thingy. I also love W124 wagons....there are so few of them around.....
 
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I found the IS to have nice steering at par with the new 325i coupe, but it doesn't understeer. It just TURNS in. That's the weird part about this car, that Toyota omitted to build understeer in, much to our delight. The bad thing is that the engine lacks sufficient grunt for the heavy car, just like the 325i coupe. Flooring the pedal has little effect. The perfect variation of this car should be the IS300 but it doesn't exist for anybody to buy it in, and the IS350 would be really not worth it because of the tax.
 
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Ho,

There are clarifications and exceptions that should be listed with that,. There are different modes of DI operation and different reasons why knock resistance is raised, but others why it is lowered. It is all too far OT and long to go into it. I'm not sure whether you're joking, sarcastic, etc. but It is far from rocket science. There has been tons written about all this since a century ago and constantly tested and refined by both academics and practical people - passion the common denominator. I'm sure if you wrote about your job or interest and I had never studied or experienced it, I would think it was rocket science due to unfamiliar terms and incomplete or non-existent understanding, but if I started to apply myself in that direction, making small steps every day, every hour, then very soon it wouldn't seem that way.

The 2 basic points I was making were that the main heat output reduction comes from being able to stably burn very small fuel mass for a given air mass, and knock resistance arising mainly from stratified charge (reverse of standard stratification).

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CaySman,

To answer your question, my background is in race engine development (theory, specification, machining, assembly, test bench and track validation), but in recent years I seem to be shifting focus slightly especially since main long term goal is my own business, and in that line of business equipment costs and overheads are very high (2-3 million USD facility easy, 500K USD combined employee payroll) at the upper levels (CNC machines, test benches and cells, etc.) with a large number of employees to run everything. The limit is mainly money, not knowledge. Many high level and big race series' are going to spec engines (Champcar, Indycar, A1GP, etc), or long term freezing engine specification (ie. F1), or increasingly restrictive engine spec on the verge of full spec engines (NASCAR), totally killing development. There's good money to be made in the remaining forms (still large in number but shrinking), but when you consider how much you have to invest it doesn't look so great. There's good money in street stuff too , but by comparison they are boring, imprecise, compromise engines that are usually improperly speced, run, tuned, everything - but that stuff doesn't do it for me.

Race engineeringing on the other hand is all knowledge and experienced (un)limited encompassing a whole lot, including the two largest current unknown micro dynamics - tire and aero. The associated systems costs are high (averaging 6 million USD a year to peaks of 30 million USD), but it is all borne by the hiring or consulting team. All you provide them is your knowledge and experience. As such I'm currently a data acquisition engineer for an Indycar Series team in the Indy Racing League. Leaning towards specialization in race vehicle dynamics (race engineering) in the long term (rest of working life whether working for a team or running my own business). I work directly with race engineers now, but I'd like to be one soon. It requires a lot of experience to be one at these levels. The gravy is that I like travelling non stop, the whole party atmosphere the fans bring to the tracks and the surrounding area, hotels, restaurants, bars, when the race comes to town, the sun, the cold, the fresh air, the country/suburbia (where tracks are often located). The chaos, the constant battle, visual and aural violence of the cars - just everything about being trackside, front line.

There's nothing like a good discussion, and I don't think you've stepped over any boundaries. I think you make good backed up points and discuss things nicely, both at least more so than most. I like how straight forward you are. General truth is that people are emotional creatures and it is hard to separate things cleanly, so don't expect. I don't think anyone here is mad yet, though I don't think you're given any points for being Michael Tan's friend. Wish I could lend more support, but mine doesn't count for much because I don't drive a BMW, besides...you actually get points deducted for associating with me :shakemyb:

I agree with your point on international accolades in some ways. Experts are put on a panel for a reason, but experts can be compromised for a multitude of reasons. Hard to say if they are or aren't though, without carrying out a lot of background checks based on recent thought or action. I give about equal weight to the commoner and expert, but also you have to look at which group of commoners is speaking. An envrionment is very rarely an impartial one no matter where you go, especially when you're dealing with qualitatives.

Are you involved in the industry in some way? Or do you follow it closely through journals, etc? You must read a fair bit by all those writer names you listed. Is that how you formed your view on buggy electronics, etc.? Regarding steering weight - it is a straightforward thing (boils down to just 3 simple factors). I don't think the other companies are giving it up because they don't know how to achieve it, but they are pursuing other feels, other targets. Just like how some companies chase engine specific outputs and response, whilst others go after maximum drivability, refinment or longevity.

I yearn for the day when BMW or Honda get fed up and put their foot down with a lightweight mid engine sportscar, but this time gives it some guts - a large displacement V8, 10, 12 or something. They could do some real damage to the exotics at a fraction of the price - Honda especially, building on what they've learnt with the NSX.
 
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Sorry for the OT, responding to Shaun. Disregard please.

Hey Shaun, thanks for sharing your background. Besides normal management activities, my job (but not my education) is in electronics technology, and treating technology as `products' I matchmake various parties to make a certain product targeted at a certain market segment come to fruition. Basically, a salesguy by any standard. Aren't we all?

My work involves reading anything and everything, and I buy every notable car (including Race Car Engineering), hifi, home theatre, PC, cellphone, game magazine, science geek magazines (Discover, MIT Technology Review, Science, Popular Mechanics, Nature) - basically big boys' toys magazine and popular science magazines, to seek new ideas and trends. I make it a point not to go too deep in as it would reduce my scope. I am a generalist, not a specialist.

That being said, I scour the world for any interesting book on cars, every aspect, including design, engineering, history, etc. and probably have the largest library of interesting books for a non-automotive-professional.

It's not a government company, and I am a minority shareholder in the company I work with.

I love cars. I take a special effort to work with automotive component suppliers as this is a hugely growing market - the electronics content of cars has grown to 38% today from the perspective of cost. Also, it is a matter of interest.

There are several car enthusiasts in my circle of friends, and I get to try a lot of cars, not to mention that I did a lot of illegal races when I was VERY young, and had a short `legal' stint in Oz. So I have basically driven every interesting non-exotic around, by the good grace of my friends.

The electronics issues are very real, mainly because of bad habits among embedded device programmers and also CPU and memory resource limitations in automotive electronics which necessitate shortcut steps which are very very difficult to document, causing immense issues when the `hero' of the programming team leaves the outsourced company. I've also had first hand experience with them myself as an end-user of automotive electronics, with the worst offenders being European. The reason why we still have resource limitations is because the qualification process for new components for automotive electronics is VERY VERY slow, and the legally required qualifications like TuV so troublesome, so new technology takes a LONG time to enter the passenger car.

Anyway, the reason why I'm here is that me and some friend, decided to spend some bonus money on a fun car (each). So someone got me an account here and I just posted to get more opinions, and found it quite fun. Seems that the people here, though opinionated, are better informed on most of the high end makes, and they are actually `keen' on performance. I accept that forums are quite combative places but it's OK here so far.

One thing I don't do is to mod cars meant for daily use. I keep them basically stock, so I'm missing out on a majority of action in this forum which has a large bias towards mods and new toys for the cars. I don't completely understand the interaction of the electronics parameters/aerodynamics and the mods, and I hate to second guess the automotive engineer who has worked out the perfect compromise, so I leave it well enough alone.

As for the NSX, let's see Honda's new NSX successor. Unfortunate to be front engined 4WD and (for lack of better detail) seems to be really lacking on technical innovation. LJK Setright's great book on the NSX filled me with such passion and admiration for Honda, but it seems now that the marketing people have taken over. I have yet to try any SH-AWD, but seems that it is great. But the lightweight goal of the NSX seems to have been forgotten, though we have yet to see specs on the new one. Even so, being front engined, they have lost so much there.

I wish LJK Setright were alive to see and write about the successor to the NSX though, what a pity. Still, we have Gordon Murray and hopefully he'll write a good piece on the car closest to his Mac F1 masterpiece. I like the way he raped the Veyron, and in spite of the criticism, I believe that his opinion was balanced especially in his attacking the Veyron's arbitrary performance targets.

Why is it that the English make the best writers? Including the rubbish person Jeremy Clarkson, the exploitative bastard, but he sure can write.
 
Re: The BMW Brand

caySman;181183 said:
I found the IS to have nice steering at par with the new 325i coupe, but it doesn't understeer. It just TURNS in. That's the weird part about this car, that Toyota omitted to build understeer in, much to our delight. The bad thing is that the engine lacks sufficient grunt for the heavy car, just like the 325i coupe. Flooring the pedal has little effect. The perfect variation of this car should be the IS300 but it doesn't exist for anybody to buy it in, and the IS350 would be really not worth it because of the tax.

That's where I found the paddle shift great. A few flicks and I am in a position to make best use of the powerband. Actually, its probably faster than it feels, though it certainly is overweight. Friends have G-teched it below 8 secs for the benchmark sprint. Sometimes I wonder about the IS350. Or 630i for that matter.
 
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opvaulet;181382 said:
That's where I found the paddle shift great. A few flicks and I am in a position to make best use of the powerband. Actually, its probably faster than it feels, though it certainly is overweight. Friends have G-teched it below 8 secs for the benchmark sprint. Sometimes I wonder about the IS350. Or 630i for that matter.
wondering about? To buy one? You got all the fun 4 seaters already. Buy some fun one.
 
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caySman;181433 said:
wondering about? To buy one? You got all the fun 4 seaters already. Buy some fun one.

how cum this time u did not apologise for OT-ing?

I pity the thread starter...
 
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caySman;181433 said:
wondering about? To buy one? You got all the fun 4 seaters already. Buy some fun one.

You are right. I think wondering should be replaced with fantazising.
 

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