agentwilson
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
Woahhhhh. Interesting arguments
Woahhhhh. Interesting arguments
Degree no good ..... just get a good job
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agentwilson
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
Been reading whole thread. Dono whether to reply.
Probably tomolo. Sleep first
Been reading whole thread. Dono whether to reply.
Probably tomolo. Sleep first
Meek
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
Its refreshing to hear someone in your generation to say these with honesty and sincerity. There is hope for singapore in the generations to come.
The sense of entitlement, delusions of grandeur for degree holders and also the overexpenditure on kiasu one up pursuits makes many unemployable. They may have talent and abilities but many in the young generation entering the workforce are devoid of good honest work ethics, patience and keeness to learn the ropes. I have had staff refuse to fax/photostat as they have more "important things" to do. I have had staff who admitted themselves to psychiatric wards complaining of work pressure. I have had staff who decided to go on a holiday after delaying works and not completing it.
Really a degree has caused them to fail. When i was young, my dad told me next time degrees holders are a dime a dozen. With so many new universities set up and being set up... more degrees will be awarded. No longer a prized possession.... the mindset and expectations of the young need to be adjusted....
If every one in singapore is entitled to a degree and wants to work as ceo/cfo/cto/coo.... who will do the rest of the work? Yes, foreigners.
Its refreshing to hear someone in your generation to say these with honesty and sincerity. There is hope for singapore in the generations to come.
The sense of entitlement, delusions of grandeur for degree holders and also the overexpenditure on kiasu one up pursuits makes many unemployable. They may have talent and abilities but many in the young generation entering the workforce are devoid of good honest work ethics, patience and keeness to learn the ropes. I have had staff refuse to fax/photostat as they have more "important things" to do. I have had staff who admitted themselves to psychiatric wards complaining of work pressure. I have had staff who decided to go on a holiday after delaying works and not completing it.
Really a degree has caused them to fail. When i was young, my dad told me next time degrees holders are a dime a dozen. With so many new universities set up and being set up... more degrees will be awarded. No longer a prized possession.... the mindset and expectations of the young need to be adjusted....
If every one in singapore is entitled to a degree and wants to work as ceo/cfo/cto/coo.... who will do the rest of the work? Yes, foreigners.
Meek
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
Many indeed. Many farm boys have gotten degrees and left, leaving the old folks to tend to the farms. Second generation like myself grew up with expections to be better than the earlier generations. The pressure is crazy because the older generation think that with degrees you could reach for stars... and not live simple lives like themselves being contented with a small basket of fruit, slab of wild boar the neighbour brought back from hunting, or watching tv with all the kids in the kampung in your living hall in the house you never lock. I envy that kinda life sometimes.
MW;987926 said:
Many indeed. Many farm boys have gotten degrees and left, leaving the old folks to tend to the farms. Second generation like myself grew up with expections to be better than the earlier generations. The pressure is crazy because the older generation think that with degrees you could reach for stars... and not live simple lives like themselves being contented with a small basket of fruit, slab of wild boar the neighbour brought back from hunting, or watching tv with all the kids in the kampung in your living hall in the house you never lock. I envy that kinda life sometimes.
Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
We all still live in a farm. A lot of people are too chicken to take responsibility for their lives. Others behave like pigs in public. Lame duck politicians are talking bull shit. You name it!
MW;987923 said:
We all still live in a farm. A lot of people are too chicken to take responsibility for their lives. Others behave like pigs in public. Lame duck politicians are talking bull shit. You name it!
DrK
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
To put perspectives back in all these arguments, I dare ask a question to all of you.
IF YOU HAVE A KID, WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM NOT TO GO TO UNI? JUST GET A GOOD JOB IS ENOUGH.
Would you advise him/her to do that? In Spore context only please. Seriously would you? Say it from your heart. No reasons like as no kids yet so I don't know or I don't have a degree so it is ok etc. Hypothetical situation. Look into the eyes of your kid and what will you say?
This will bring everyone back to the same page. Page that is completely opposite to KBK's senseless comments which was very clear-cut. No word-twisting here. It shouldn't have been because he was addressing to citizens so he should spare the philosophy shite. Go uni or not? Which do you recommend KBK?
To put perspectives back in all these arguments, I dare ask a question to all of you.
IF YOU HAVE A KID, WOULD YOU ADVISE HIM NOT TO GO TO UNI? JUST GET A GOOD JOB IS ENOUGH.
Would you advise him/her to do that? In Spore context only please. Seriously would you? Say it from your heart. No reasons like as no kids yet so I don't know or I don't have a degree so it is ok etc. Hypothetical situation. Look into the eyes of your kid and what will you say?
This will bring everyone back to the same page. Page that is completely opposite to KBK's senseless comments which was very clear-cut. No word-twisting here. It shouldn't have been because he was addressing to citizens so he should spare the philosophy shite. Go uni or not? Which do you recommend KBK?
Meek
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
If your kid wanted to go to uni and certainly had the learning capacity, please go ahead. However, its different from pushing your kid to go university regardless of what they aspired to do. When i was a kid, i wanted to do creative stuff only to be told i had to go to university becos the creative stuff dun pay for a decent living. Now after doing all the "right" stuff, it is still stopping me from going back to do the stuff i love most. The creative.
DrK;987955 said:
If your kid wanted to go to uni and certainly had the learning capacity, please go ahead. However, its different from pushing your kid to go university regardless of what they aspired to do. When i was a kid, i wanted to do creative stuff only to be told i had to go to university becos the creative stuff dun pay for a decent living. Now after doing all the "right" stuff, it is still stopping me from going back to do the stuff i love most. The creative.
C3P0
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
If I have a kid, I will ask him or her to try her best in his/her studies.
2 possibilities:
1) If he/she cannot make it to university, due to insufficient IQ, that doesn't matter. Don't be unhappy. He or she can still make it in life with good EQ. (Disclaimer: if my kid didn't make it to Uni because he/she is lazy, then I will spank my kid - nothing to do with the paper, but because of the bad attitude in life.)
2) If he/she does well in her studies, I will ask her to go for a good university and a good degree. Because if all else fails, he/she will still have something to fall back on.
Just my humble opinion, no right or wrong. Everyone has a different perspective in life. And also, my views above may change with time and experience in life. Cheers everyone, We Are The World.
P.S. JM please don't pichiak my lobang.
DrK;987955 said:
If I have a kid, I will ask him or her to try her best in his/her studies.
2 possibilities:
1) If he/she cannot make it to university, due to insufficient IQ, that doesn't matter. Don't be unhappy. He or she can still make it in life with good EQ. (Disclaimer: if my kid didn't make it to Uni because he/she is lazy, then I will spank my kid - nothing to do with the paper, but because of the bad attitude in life.)
2) If he/she does well in her studies, I will ask her to go for a good university and a good degree. Because if all else fails, he/she will still have something to fall back on.
Just my humble opinion, no right or wrong. Everyone has a different perspective in life. And also, my views above may change with time and experience in life. Cheers everyone, We Are The World.
P.S. JM please don't pichiak my lobang.
detach8
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Re: Degree no good ..... just get a good job
My answer for now is I will let my kids choose what they want to do. If they want Degree, go ahead. If they want Masters, go ahead. But if after Poly they want to become a tailor at Far East Plaza go ahead. If I have the capacity to fund, I will fund. If papa cannot fund, they have to find their own ways. At a that age (21yrs) they should already be mature and responsible for themselves, or at least for the most part. If not, I failed as a parent.
DrK;987955 said:
My answer for now is I will let my kids choose what they want to do. If they want Degree, go ahead. If they want Masters, go ahead. But if after Poly they want to become a tailor at Far East Plaza go ahead. If I have the capacity to fund, I will fund. If papa cannot fund, they have to find their own ways. At a that age (21yrs) they should already be mature and responsible for themselves, or at least for the most part. If not, I failed as a parent.
