So this is what the MPs are busy with .......
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MW;1044428 said:
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Re: So this is what the MPs are busy with .......
TPL and the rest of her team should not have taken up office because of what she did during the cooling off period at the last general elections. There's no excuse to say she was still young and inexperienced then or that she has someone doing the postings on her FB. If she's young and experienced and can't even exercise some simple control on her personal matters like her FB account, how then can she be entrusted to carry out matters on a national scale? Her actions should have cost her entire team to be disqualified. Rules are rules. They should be fairly and evenly applied to all.
On the matter of the SPF, I really do think that they are a waste of time and will only take up cases selectively. Let me related this incident which happened to me and my wife. One evening as we were crossing the road at a pedestrian crossing with the green man in our favour, a car sped up from nowhere to beat the red light and in the process nearly ran us over. Imagine the trauma and shock my wife and I had. However, we got to see the make of the car and the VRN. Fortunately, as it was dusk, we could not clearly make out the colour of the car. We went to the Traffic Police at Kaki Bukit to lodge a police. However, the duty sergeant told us that they can't take any action on that driver of the car cos we could not give a colour confirmation of the car. We were like "WTF??!!" We provided every bit of details like the make of car, VRN, place and time of incident and it was still not good enough??!!! The sergeant advised us to seek a lawyer if we wanted to take up the matter. The way I looked at it, seems like the Traffic Police would only get involved if the car had hit us. That would be too late then wouldn't it? I said exactly that to the sergeant and he could not reply me but instead went on to say I can only seek legal recourse on a personal level. So much for our police force.
TPL and the rest of her team should not have taken up office because of what she did during the cooling off period at the last general elections. There's no excuse to say she was still young and inexperienced then or that she has someone doing the postings on her FB. If she's young and experienced and can't even exercise some simple control on her personal matters like her FB account, how then can she be entrusted to carry out matters on a national scale? Her actions should have cost her entire team to be disqualified. Rules are rules. They should be fairly and evenly applied to all.
On the matter of the SPF, I really do think that they are a waste of time and will only take up cases selectively. Let me related this incident which happened to me and my wife. One evening as we were crossing the road at a pedestrian crossing with the green man in our favour, a car sped up from nowhere to beat the red light and in the process nearly ran us over. Imagine the trauma and shock my wife and I had. However, we got to see the make of the car and the VRN. Fortunately, as it was dusk, we could not clearly make out the colour of the car. We went to the Traffic Police at Kaki Bukit to lodge a police. However, the duty sergeant told us that they can't take any action on that driver of the car cos we could not give a colour confirmation of the car. We were like "WTF??!!" We provided every bit of details like the make of car, VRN, place and time of incident and it was still not good enough??!!! The sergeant advised us to seek a lawyer if we wanted to take up the matter. The way I looked at it, seems like the Traffic Police would only get involved if the car had hit us. That would be too late then wouldn't it? I said exactly that to the sergeant and he could not reply me but instead went on to say I can only seek legal recourse on a personal level. So much for our police force.
Red_Bean_Bun
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I think we must be clear about this - is the SPF that good or is it that Singaporeans are typically still wholesome folks because we had good leadership ?
Can TPL demonstrate some level of political acumen to make the distinction between what is personal versus what is important as an MP for the people ? Who would benefit from her finding the tampon thrower ? Can that time instead be spent on processing a NTUC voucher via the community chest for a needy person in that constituency ?
I think we must be clear about this - is the SPF that good or is it that Singaporeans are typically still wholesome folks because we had good leadership ?
Can TPL demonstrate some level of political acumen to make the distinction between what is personal versus what is important as an MP for the people ? Who would benefit from her finding the tampon thrower ? Can that time instead be spent on processing a NTUC voucher via the community chest for a needy person in that constituency ?
seanskye
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So this is what the MPs are busy with .......
As a tax/GST/ERP/COE/IRAS-paying citizen, it hurts to be reading this. In the first place, what is the role of that elected seat - Are we paying $15,000 (which is more than the pay of Prime Ministers in some countries) for someone to be going around catching a used panty liner litterbug? For that matter, why not catch an iPhone thief; or when it starts ponding, take a pail and start scooping water off the roads?
This action (and the way it was promulgated) reflects the immaturity of our system. We need good leaders and MPs to look not at the issues but at the root of issues - why the drains are overflowing; why the streets are ponding; why potholes are forming so frequently; so many COEs were released between 2004-2009; why.... etc etc.
At that level, we citizens need a more holistic solutioning. We need someone to probe into the issues at hand, understand the psychiatry of the behavior, and deal with the problems at the root to resolve littering as a systemic issue. And not have two MPs go around picking up litter and trying to play police catch thief. I know Mr Lee would never have done this, and that is why I respect him.
As a tax/GST/ERP/COE/IRAS-paying citizen, it hurts to be reading this. In the first place, what is the role of that elected seat - Are we paying $15,000 (which is more than the pay of Prime Ministers in some countries) for someone to be going around catching a used panty liner litterbug? For that matter, why not catch an iPhone thief; or when it starts ponding, take a pail and start scooping water off the roads?
This action (and the way it was promulgated) reflects the immaturity of our system. We need good leaders and MPs to look not at the issues but at the root of issues - why the drains are overflowing; why the streets are ponding; why potholes are forming so frequently; so many COEs were released between 2004-2009; why.... etc etc.
At that level, we citizens need a more holistic solutioning. We need someone to probe into the issues at hand, understand the psychiatry of the behavior, and deal with the problems at the root to resolve littering as a systemic issue. And not have two MPs go around picking up litter and trying to play police catch thief. I know Mr Lee would never have done this, and that is why I respect him.
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John136888
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To take yr case is not national level leh, to the end, only u know he know...difficult for the whole nation to praise them, and likely the world cannot see their efficiency to say Singapore good good.
U must understand some require the case to be worldwide or at least national level, so can let the whole world know they are working hard & very efficient, u must also understand they don't have facebook to post yr case if they do. So, nobody know exceot u. U must post picture, best video on stomp (like spitting saga) or get media involvement..
This is how thing work in some places.
rodders;1044437 said:
To take yr case is not national level leh, to the end, only u know he know...difficult for the whole nation to praise them, and likely the world cannot see their efficiency to say Singapore good good.
U must understand some require the case to be worldwide or at least national level, so can let the whole world know they are working hard & very efficient, u must also understand they don't have facebook to post yr case if they do. So, nobody know exceot u. U must post picture, best video on stomp (like spitting saga) or get media involvement..
This is how thing work in some places.
wobbles
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My point isn't about mindless bashing. It's more about her putting her energies to better use. There are far more worthy causes to feel strongly about - I don't hear a peep from ANY of the MPs, and certainly not from TPL about the wayang that is the COE, the ERP and - but dirty tampons!?! Floor to floor!?! Good for her - now, do the same with the same dogged determination on the REAL important things that's wrong with Singapore, thanks.
BlackCookie;1044391 said:
My point isn't about mindless bashing. It's more about her putting her energies to better use. There are far more worthy causes to feel strongly about - I don't hear a peep from ANY of the MPs, and certainly not from TPL about the wayang that is the COE, the ERP and - but dirty tampons!?! Floor to floor!?! Good for her - now, do the same with the same dogged determination on the REAL important things that's wrong with Singapore, thanks.
Red_Bean_Bun
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They did not go pick up tampons ......
They did not go pick up tampons ......
Meek;1044486 said:
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This is a character evaluation on her. I do agree with you somewhat in that regard, but this should be a different discussion altogether.
We are talking, very specifically, about her action in trying to apprehend the culprit.
I do share the sentiment that the passion and quality of some current politicians is a suspect. But let's view each as individuals and each's actions in isolation. I understand there is a tide of mob mentality in broad-brushing and black-labelling the men in white. Truth is - not every allegation are rational and agreeable from a logical point of view. Many of these cyber space bashing are emotionally-charged and makes little sense.
Take this two incidents for instance. How about testing the other hypothesis?
Let's change the scenario. Let's say both MPs turned a blind eye to the litter and walk away. Would the same people be bashing them? If yes, then all the arguments are a waste of time. There is no logic in any conversation. The mob instincts took over. Whatever they do, they will invite the wrath of the mob.
Let's change the scenario again. Let's say it was an opposition MP to do the same. Would he be slammed the same way about being overpaid and doing something either too miniscule or to sensationalise the media? Would he be praised instead? I think some of us know the answer already.
Needless to say, what we expressed here do not necessarily reflect our political skew. Many bashers will still contribute to the 61.8% and many neutral views will actually vote otherwise.
Just that we need to be taking a second derivative analysis than simply criticising on face values of the matter.
rodders said:
This is a character evaluation on her. I do agree with you somewhat in that regard, but this should be a different discussion altogether.
We are talking, very specifically, about her action in trying to apprehend the culprit.
seanskye said:
wobbles said:
I do share the sentiment that the passion and quality of some current politicians is a suspect. But let's view each as individuals and each's actions in isolation. I understand there is a tide of mob mentality in broad-brushing and black-labelling the men in white. Truth is - not every allegation are rational and agreeable from a logical point of view. Many of these cyber space bashing are emotionally-charged and makes little sense.
Take this two incidents for instance. How about testing the other hypothesis?
Let's change the scenario. Let's say both MPs turned a blind eye to the litter and walk away. Would the same people be bashing them? If yes, then all the arguments are a waste of time. There is no logic in any conversation. The mob instincts took over. Whatever they do, they will invite the wrath of the mob.
Let's change the scenario again. Let's say it was an opposition MP to do the same. Would he be slammed the same way about being overpaid and doing something either too miniscule or to sensationalise the media? Would he be praised instead? I think some of us know the answer already.
Needless to say, what we expressed here do not necessarily reflect our political skew. Many bashers will still contribute to the 61.8% and many neutral views will actually vote otherwise.
Just that we need to be taking a second derivative analysis than simply criticising on face values of the matter.
