Re: Ignition Upgrades
R2D;616013 said:
Let say I do the dyno under the "controlled" environment and the difference is 4Nm and 2HP....The comment will come back saying that the difference is too little to quantify, temps not the same, air pressure not the same, fuel not the same, blah blah blah and that variance is not large enough to prove that the ignition upgrade is a helper....in the process, i lose $300 and a shit load of my time. Are you going to pay for my time? I am not going to go down that road.
It's easy to do 3 pulls stock, 3 pulls with stuff done, and take the average. Conditions can in fact be the same, and whatever little difference there is will be taken care of by corrections. It's all a matter of whether you desire to do it or not.. that's all.
But also... why so little faith in the mod? If 8 out of 10 of your customers are reporting all this responsiveness, acceleration, etc. and considering how subjective human feel is, isn't there a better chance you will see 12Nm and 7hp instead? Better yet.. test this ignition thing with volker plug and whatever special oils, together to increase the delta, and then sell it as a package based on its performance.
The guys who have done it and the guys considering doing it will be curious to get it tested no? If 15 guys chip in a little, doesn't that raise the $300 for the dyno?
If there is no $300 for the dyno, how about acceleration runs averaged? Which is also a controlled test...
It is useless for you to insult me and instigate me to react. I will not even extend a free trial to you cos this will also waste my time.
Please don't get emotional, no one has insulted you personally. People are discussing test processes and logic, concepts.
What you reply in the earlier posts are talking about absolute numbers that can be measured on an engine dyno through a load cell where grams of torque can be measured and ALL parameters taken into account. In this little red dot, there is no facility able to satisfactorily measure these small increments.
But the gain has to be bigger than grams of torque to be picked up by so many drivers feeling this and that no?
If I sell a pill you can drop in your fuel tank that I say will improve power and torque, and 20 of my pill fans go around announcing they can feel the change and I pat them on the back and am happy for them, it would be so strange that when asked for quantification I say I would need a sensitive enough AVL engine dyno that doesn't exist on this little island, in order to quantify the gain. So humans are more sensitive than AVL dynos? Or I'm paying how much for a pill that might provide a benefit small enough only to be picked up by the most sensitive dynos in the world? Does any of that make sense at all?
It's like saying.. "ok I'll set up your car or teach you how to drive around this track better, and you will in fact go faster, but you will need to be super consistent to see an improvement, and you will need a transponder that reads down to 0.00001 sec, not just 0.001 sec because the increment is very fine and very special. Such transponders don't exist locally and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, so you can't really test it. But just trust me, and
feel your time improve. It's definitely worth your $ X , just trust what you feel. Your feel is more accurate than a 0.001 sec resolution transponder."
There are people suggesting that way more power is availble through other means other than forced induction and Volumetric Efficiency changes, why don't you go knocking on those doors? 40 plus pages and you say everybody's butt is not sensitive and emphrical proof is required. So are you going to ask all car manufacturers to proof that their engines produce a solid amount of HP as stipulated in the brochuer?
FI, etc. has been done and tested so many times and always provides increases roughly proportional to increase in charge density, within broad limits.
No point questioning car manufacturers either because they can be sued for overdeclaring things. I recall a case before where it happened and they had to revise what they said.
In any case, neither group is suggesting anything that does not make logical sense. Both groups do dyno test too... it's just not the same as this situation here.
I have had countless good reviews and people who like it. I am not about to go changing the formula of my principles and operation concept.
It just so happens that powerbalance wrist bands also had countless good reviews and people who like it. They are not changing their formula or operational concepts. They make good money doing what they do
Did the owners tell you specifically that they did not feel a thing?
Well if they had felt a thing, why did you say you picked it out only during routine maintenance? If they had felt a thing and reported it, you would have specifically checked it, and not just happened to find it during routine maintenance.
Bottom line.....want to mod, mod lah... Dun want to mod, don't mod....
If you believe in powerbalance wrist bands, then just get it.
Don't believe it in it, don't want it, then don't get it.. simple.
How dare anyone question, suggest a test, or test powerbalance wrist bands? Especially with so many good reviews from people who feel this and that? Don't be surprised if power balance the company ignores a query from you as an individual, they're really busy.. raking in the money from sale of untested unquantified wrist bands.
The president of powerbalance I'm sure can get hundreds of his friends to vouch for his character.
I dunno phd level theory about body fields and frequencies and holograms, and I don't know the president to a good level (except as a paying customer in reality, though he may try and convince me otherwise), so I am not interested in the high end theory, or in the vouching for personality.
I just want to see a group of controlled tests - whether it costs $20 or $300 . Of the hundreds or thousands out there with the magic... I don't buy that either sum is too much for a test. A positive quantified test leads to much more sales = more money = more freedom to develop new technologies, to test them better, to market them better, take better vacations, etc.
