Riot at little india
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You forgot John Martin Scripps and Michael Fay and Nick Leeson !!! Not just aggressive and violent, but scheming and slippery too !!!
Same with the likes of foreigners such as Adrian Lim, Anthony Ler, one-eyed dragon. Ruthless and violent !!!
I am not xenophobic. I just hate FTs and FWs.
I wanna fire my Filipino maid. In fact, I wanna set an example and lobby all my relatives and friends not to rely on FWs and hope that they fire all their maids.
I wanna boycott all companies and institutions hiring FTs and FWs. I will close my Citibank, Stanchart and HSBC accounts cause I saw ang mors and other nationalities working inside their branches. I will not buy any conti cars (including BMWs) cause the ang mors are making more $$$ from me than my fellow Singaporeans. I will not let any workshop with Malaysian mechanics handle my car. Singaporeans only.
I also wanna boycott all restaurants with PRC or Malaysian chefs and waiters/waitresses. Too many of these to name.
I will start to cut my ties with my foreign friends - they should be all violent and aggressive. Bye, Meek, Babe, Acupunch, Roasty, Terry, TripleM....... only Singaporeans are trustworthy. In fact, I will stop travelling overseas, especially everywhere that is violent and aggressive.
I will also dissuade my friends from marrying a foreigner. Keep the pedigree blood intact - do not dilute our genes.
And I will boycott any property that is built by FWs despite all their toil.
No, I am not xenophobic. Just loyal to Singapore.
Phew !!! Just woke up from a nightmare.
I thought I was becoming a Singaporean Hitler !!!
DrK said:
You forgot John Martin Scripps and Michael Fay and Nick Leeson !!! Not just aggressive and violent, but scheming and slippery too !!!
Same with the likes of foreigners such as Adrian Lim, Anthony Ler, one-eyed dragon. Ruthless and violent !!!
I am not xenophobic. I just hate FTs and FWs.
I wanna fire my Filipino maid. In fact, I wanna set an example and lobby all my relatives and friends not to rely on FWs and hope that they fire all their maids.
I wanna boycott all companies and institutions hiring FTs and FWs. I will close my Citibank, Stanchart and HSBC accounts cause I saw ang mors and other nationalities working inside their branches. I will not buy any conti cars (including BMWs) cause the ang mors are making more $$$ from me than my fellow Singaporeans. I will not let any workshop with Malaysian mechanics handle my car. Singaporeans only.
I also wanna boycott all restaurants with PRC or Malaysian chefs and waiters/waitresses. Too many of these to name.
I will start to cut my ties with my foreign friends - they should be all violent and aggressive. Bye, Meek, Babe, Acupunch, Roasty, Terry, TripleM....... only Singaporeans are trustworthy. In fact, I will stop travelling overseas, especially everywhere that is violent and aggressive.
I will also dissuade my friends from marrying a foreigner. Keep the pedigree blood intact - do not dilute our genes.
And I will boycott any property that is built by FWs despite all their toil.
No, I am not xenophobic. Just loyal to Singapore.
Phew !!! Just woke up from a nightmare.
I thought I was becoming a Singaporean Hitler !!!
Meek
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I am foreign... definitely. Talent or not is pretty subjective. I am also not representative of all foreign talents in singapore, nor do they represent me.
Last time in school i learnt that no man is an island. Singapore is an island. So no man is singapore. In fact the world is a global village and everyday it gets harder to insist on being an island.
kenntona;1055028 said:
I am foreign... definitely. Talent or not is pretty subjective. I am also not representative of all foreign talents in singapore, nor do they represent me.
Last time in school i learnt that no man is an island. Singapore is an island. So no man is singapore. In fact the world is a global village and everyday it gets harder to insist on being an island.
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Sorry, FT or FW still hoot, based on current mob sentiment. I just gave up a job opening in a foreign land cause I dun wanna be a FT/FW in some other countries too.
I urged all friends and relatives not to be an FT/FW in other countries !!!
Trust me, I am not xenophobic !!! No way.
Singapore is not global lah. We want foreign investments only. Who say we want foreign influx of labour or migrants ? We only want the best of all worlds !!! We very smart one.
Meek said:
Sorry, FT or FW still hoot, based on current mob sentiment. I just gave up a job opening in a foreign land cause I dun wanna be a FT/FW in some other countries too.
I urged all friends and relatives not to be an FT/FW in other countries !!!
Trust me, I am not xenophobic !!! No way.
Meek said:
Singapore is not global lah. We want foreign investments only. Who say we want foreign influx of labour or migrants ? We only want the best of all worlds !!! We very smart one.
Re: Riot at little india
Assuming remuneration is the same as what you're getting currently, if you see this job ad, will you apply?
Top construction MNC company currently in a mega deal wot work on a world famous construction site. The right candidate will be working under the brilliant hot sun and will be able to build strong muscles carrying heavy goods. The fatality rate is low but still present. Food and transport provided.
If you're willing to take up the job, then you have a right to comment on the FW policy.
Assuming remuneration is the same as what you're getting currently, if you see this job ad, will you apply?
Top construction MNC company currently in a mega deal wot work on a world famous construction site. The right candidate will be working under the brilliant hot sun and will be able to build strong muscles carrying heavy goods. The fatality rate is low but still present. Food and transport provided.
If you're willing to take up the job, then you have a right to comment on the FW policy.
Meek
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Xenophobic is not a term understood by many.... but people want to be always reassured that they are the best... and elite. Some surround themselves with wealth and virtual walls to insulate themselves against a fast paced changing world. Not akin to digging a hole and sticking a head in. For the rest of the world, all we see is an asshole.
Apologies for my rather graphical description. I only mean to say that for every asshole out there, surely there will come a time when your head is exploding from the extra blood and you need to get out fron that hole and face the world?
We all look different outside but when you cut me (and all foreign talents, workers, or visitor... do we not bleed? Do we not bleed the same blood? Have a heart.
Xenophobic is not a term understood by many.... but people want to be always reassured that they are the best... and elite. Some surround themselves with wealth and virtual walls to insulate themselves against a fast paced changing world. Not akin to digging a hole and sticking a head in. For the rest of the world, all we see is an asshole.
Apologies for my rather graphical description. I only mean to say that for every asshole out there, surely there will come a time when your head is exploding from the extra blood and you need to get out fron that hole and face the world?
We all look different outside but when you cut me (and all foreign talents, workers, or visitor... do we not bleed? Do we not bleed the same blood? Have a heart.
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Keyboard warriors are machines... What heart what blood you talking about? you're FT, you're not my friend.
Meek;1055050 said:
Keyboard warriors are machines... What heart what blood you talking about? you're FT, you're not my friend.
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Unless you feed me....
Meek;1055054 said:
Unless you feed me....
Darth Vader
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FT balek kampong.
Singapore is just a upgraded sampan!
barely enough space for citizens already!!!!
go find an aircraft carrier!!!!!!
FT balek kampong.
Singapore is just a upgraded sampan!
barely enough space for citizens already!!!!
go find an aircraft carrier!!!!!!
DrK
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I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing but these analogies are abit far-fetched.
Point is - FWs are very welcomed but their reluctance to integrate and accept our social norms, rules, law and order is not.
It is very clear that Spore depended on FWs ever since the 80s and 90s. Back then our HDBs were built by Thai and Myanmar workers. Did anyone hear about rioting, disobedience and serious crimes from these groups of FWs? Not much at all. In fact the only common thing back then was that they died in their sleep mysteriously (because they had worked too hard under the scorching sun or consumed food cooked in pvc). It is sad and I'm sure many sporeans appreciate there dedicated attitude towards building roads and mansions for us. Msia mechanics in workshops? They are the best in the modding field and my WRX could almost fly because of them. They too are the most harmonious bunch of people within the Sporeans. They travelled tirelessly in and out of JB across the causeway everyday to make ends meet. I'm sure we appreciate them too. And there was a smaller group of blangas as well who made the roads flat during witching hours of the nights. Pinoy and indo maids - they have been serving Sporean families for decades. Usually no issues from these groups of domestic helpers except for some unwanted pregnancies (from their Indian/Blanga bfs) or few odd cases of murdering toddlers in their care due to unexplained stress and abuse. Overall mininal complaints, no serious crimes and everyone was happy (almost!).
Fast tracked to the 2000s, crazy hordes of prcs and indian nationals came in. FWs or FTs or somewhere in the middle... nobody could tell the difference anymore. They said they are FTs, we think they are FWs, gahmen thinks they are precious. What else more to say? Then came the disintegration. Their denial to accept our way of life. Their heinous habits brought from their homelands. Their greediness of asking more. They fought back for their rights. They want their entire extended families to sink roots in Spore too and join them. They argued waste of time to do NS. Endless debates. Then came a higher frequency of serious crimes from the FWs - murders (another FWs or locals), rape cases, hit-and-runs, assaults, robberies, strikes and the last straw, a riot. What's next?
FWs have been evolving. Just like Sporeans we have been changing. Wealth gaps are growing wider. Unhappy sentiments and jealousy are high on the agenda. No we should not remove all FWs, they are essential to Spore existence as a nation which is constantly building. But can we go back to the yester-years where we had FWs and life was relatively more peaceful? Yes we can because we had seen the successful integration of FWs before. Through quality selection and social education, they can add more value to everyone's living standards.
Perhaps this is wishful thinking and will never happen. Who knows.. maybe the Thais and Myanmar guys are more peaceful loving and less of trouble-makers. But one thing is certain. Gahmen brought a truckoad in, gahmen chide sporeans for not helping FWs/FTs to integrate and hence result in their wayward manners. This is something I can't accept. Are sporeans the whipping boy? CCB Gahmen's fault!!!
kenntona;1055015 said:
I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing but these analogies are abit far-fetched.
Point is - FWs are very welcomed but their reluctance to integrate and accept our social norms, rules, law and order is not.
It is very clear that Spore depended on FWs ever since the 80s and 90s. Back then our HDBs were built by Thai and Myanmar workers. Did anyone hear about rioting, disobedience and serious crimes from these groups of FWs? Not much at all. In fact the only common thing back then was that they died in their sleep mysteriously (because they had worked too hard under the scorching sun or consumed food cooked in pvc). It is sad and I'm sure many sporeans appreciate there dedicated attitude towards building roads and mansions for us. Msia mechanics in workshops? They are the best in the modding field and my WRX could almost fly because of them. They too are the most harmonious bunch of people within the Sporeans. They travelled tirelessly in and out of JB across the causeway everyday to make ends meet. I'm sure we appreciate them too. And there was a smaller group of blangas as well who made the roads flat during witching hours of the nights. Pinoy and indo maids - they have been serving Sporean families for decades. Usually no issues from these groups of domestic helpers except for some unwanted pregnancies (from their Indian/Blanga bfs) or few odd cases of murdering toddlers in their care due to unexplained stress and abuse. Overall mininal complaints, no serious crimes and everyone was happy (almost!).
Fast tracked to the 2000s, crazy hordes of prcs and indian nationals came in. FWs or FTs or somewhere in the middle... nobody could tell the difference anymore. They said they are FTs, we think they are FWs, gahmen thinks they are precious. What else more to say? Then came the disintegration. Their denial to accept our way of life. Their heinous habits brought from their homelands. Their greediness of asking more. They fought back for their rights. They want their entire extended families to sink roots in Spore too and join them. They argued waste of time to do NS. Endless debates. Then came a higher frequency of serious crimes from the FWs - murders (another FWs or locals), rape cases, hit-and-runs, assaults, robberies, strikes and the last straw, a riot. What's next?
FWs have been evolving. Just like Sporeans we have been changing. Wealth gaps are growing wider. Unhappy sentiments and jealousy are high on the agenda. No we should not remove all FWs, they are essential to Spore existence as a nation which is constantly building. But can we go back to the yester-years where we had FWs and life was relatively more peaceful? Yes we can because we had seen the successful integration of FWs before. Through quality selection and social education, they can add more value to everyone's living standards.
Perhaps this is wishful thinking and will never happen. Who knows.. maybe the Thais and Myanmar guys are more peaceful loving and less of trouble-makers. But one thing is certain. Gahmen brought a truckoad in, gahmen chide sporeans for not helping FWs/FTs to integrate and hence result in their wayward manners. This is something I can't accept. Are sporeans the whipping boy? CCB Gahmen's fault!!!
seanskye
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Riot at little india
Those who complain about FWs should not expect clean streets, hawker centre tables to be cleared, cheap housing prices (how much would we charge to lay a brick?), cheap servicing (pls go check out how much mechanic hours cost in the US!), childcare services, maids, chickens, etc. Heck, no more free water at your fav restaurant! Gotta clean your own shit yeah...?
Having said that, there are also many FTs that really CMI. My interns can do better work than them. Dunno what the fxxx we need them for.
Those who complain about FWs should not expect clean streets, hawker centre tables to be cleared, cheap housing prices (how much would we charge to lay a brick?), cheap servicing (pls go check out how much mechanic hours cost in the US!), childcare services, maids, chickens, etc. Heck, no more free water at your fav restaurant! Gotta clean your own shit yeah...?
Having said that, there are also many FTs that really CMI. My interns can do better work than them. Dunno what the fxxx we need them for.
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jasonmaxima
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btw.... your interns.... chio or not?? GPGT??!!
seanskye;1055070 said:
btw.... your interns.... chio or not?? GPGT??!!
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It's good that you do not do a Johnny Walker on the Foreign Workers - black-labelling all of them. Good too that you recognise their contributions vis-a-vis our labour gaps. But still, there are a lot of serious flaws and assumptions in your points.
First, it is very presumptuous to assume that there is a lack of a will to integrate. FWs are here for a short-term contract, and by and large, they are law-abiding (we have been seen them around over the last 2-3 decades, from Serangoon Road to Lucky Plaza). I cannot expect them to integrate completely - socially and culturally. We Singaporeans behave like a swinging dick and very often disgraced ourselves when we are overseas for travel. Do we respect others? Obviously not. S-plate cars road-hogged NSHW all the time. And I have seen Singaporeans bargained for 2 thai baht in MBK. I felt shameful when vendors on the street of Bangkok lamented "you from Singapore? Very good at bargaining !!!" Evidently that was not a compliment. Inadvently, we brought our traits of kiasuism overseas without realising that.
Back to this incident - is this an isolated incident or are we gonna generalise from this incident that Indians and Banglas are violent and aggressive people and that we have seen this coming? That they will cause social unrest eventually? Or simply, it is a one-off incident? On hindsight, I would love to say I could see this coming, but in reality I could not. Else I would have warned my friends who hired South Asian workers and perhaps even sound out to the town council in Aljunied GRC not to employ FWs from South Asia due to their probability of "aggression and violence." Nah, I could not do that. Because in truth, I did not see that trait in them. There are news on Filipino maids ill-treating kids but most of us could somehow isolate those incidents and not slap on a psycho-label on them.
Second, FWs and FTs are required, no matter how we distinguish them. FWs are required to fill a huge gap our labour force could not bridge. FTs are brought in for various reasons - from management staff in the respective MNCs and global institutions to the labour vacuum we have experienced - example in the hospitals. It is easy to aggregate all spectrums of FWs and FTs in the same bracket to criticise the government's policies in opening up the floodgates. But blurring the lines could not add any logic or rationale into the argument. We have already discussed the merits of FWs and some FTs.
The only grey shade I can only pinpoint (and perhaps sound like I am in agreement with you) is the possible backlash in allowing foreigners to migrate in for wealth reasons. These are neither workers or talents. Then again, such "investment immigrants" schemes have been popular in cities like Toronto and Vancouver as well. From a macro perspectives, they have a direct impact on foreign investments and GDP. From a laymen perspective, it becomes grey. A property agent will be pleased to sell a property on Sentosa to a Chinese businessman while a home buyer will curse at the escalating property prices. I think the same phenomenom is happening in major cities like HK and Sydney. Inflation brought about by foreign investment and immigration patterns. This has and will remain a contentious debate for every cosmopolitan cities.
Chances of reverting to yester-years against the trends of global mobility of capital and human labour? I think we know the answers better. Finally, I think this generation is caught in these influx and dynamic flows of human capital. While we are investing $$$ in Iskandar and buy US stocks and what-not, perhaps we should see ourselves as part of a global platform - both allowing foreign investment in, and out.
DrK said:
It's good that you do not do a Johnny Walker on the Foreign Workers - black-labelling all of them. Good too that you recognise their contributions vis-a-vis our labour gaps. But still, there are a lot of serious flaws and assumptions in your points.
First, it is very presumptuous to assume that there is a lack of a will to integrate. FWs are here for a short-term contract, and by and large, they are law-abiding (we have been seen them around over the last 2-3 decades, from Serangoon Road to Lucky Plaza). I cannot expect them to integrate completely - socially and culturally. We Singaporeans behave like a swinging dick and very often disgraced ourselves when we are overseas for travel. Do we respect others? Obviously not. S-plate cars road-hogged NSHW all the time. And I have seen Singaporeans bargained for 2 thai baht in MBK. I felt shameful when vendors on the street of Bangkok lamented "you from Singapore? Very good at bargaining !!!" Evidently that was not a compliment. Inadvently, we brought our traits of kiasuism overseas without realising that.
Back to this incident - is this an isolated incident or are we gonna generalise from this incident that Indians and Banglas are violent and aggressive people and that we have seen this coming? That they will cause social unrest eventually? Or simply, it is a one-off incident? On hindsight, I would love to say I could see this coming, but in reality I could not. Else I would have warned my friends who hired South Asian workers and perhaps even sound out to the town council in Aljunied GRC not to employ FWs from South Asia due to their probability of "aggression and violence." Nah, I could not do that. Because in truth, I did not see that trait in them. There are news on Filipino maids ill-treating kids but most of us could somehow isolate those incidents and not slap on a psycho-label on them.
Second, FWs and FTs are required, no matter how we distinguish them. FWs are required to fill a huge gap our labour force could not bridge. FTs are brought in for various reasons - from management staff in the respective MNCs and global institutions to the labour vacuum we have experienced - example in the hospitals. It is easy to aggregate all spectrums of FWs and FTs in the same bracket to criticise the government's policies in opening up the floodgates. But blurring the lines could not add any logic or rationale into the argument. We have already discussed the merits of FWs and some FTs.
The only grey shade I can only pinpoint (and perhaps sound like I am in agreement with you) is the possible backlash in allowing foreigners to migrate in for wealth reasons. These are neither workers or talents. Then again, such "investment immigrants" schemes have been popular in cities like Toronto and Vancouver as well. From a macro perspectives, they have a direct impact on foreign investments and GDP. From a laymen perspective, it becomes grey. A property agent will be pleased to sell a property on Sentosa to a Chinese businessman while a home buyer will curse at the escalating property prices. I think the same phenomenom is happening in major cities like HK and Sydney. Inflation brought about by foreign investment and immigration patterns. This has and will remain a contentious debate for every cosmopolitan cities.
Chances of reverting to yester-years against the trends of global mobility of capital and human labour? I think we know the answers better. Finally, I think this generation is caught in these influx and dynamic flows of human capital. While we are investing $$$ in Iskandar and buy US stocks and what-not, perhaps we should see ourselves as part of a global platform - both allowing foreign investment in, and out.
jasonmaxima
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if Singaporean migrates to Australia, US, UK, Canada for the 'cheaper' way of life...ie cars, property.... are we labelled FW or FT? Will we be despised by our new 'step' countries?
toto said I will be labelled a FW cos I told him I dun mind tending the lawn in a cemetery getting paid UK$50 / hour or something....
if Singaporean migrates to Australia, US, UK, Canada for the 'cheaper' way of life...ie cars, property.... are we labelled FW or FT? Will we be despised by our new 'step' countries?
toto said I will be labelled a FW cos I told him I dun mind tending the lawn in a cemetery getting paid UK$50 / hour or something....
