The Barclays Premiership / Champions League Thread
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Blatter fears Premier League 'damage'
Thu 05 Mar, 11:04 PM
LONDON (AFP) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter believes the dominance of the Premier League's big four - Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal - is proving unhealthy for competition.
Since the formation of the Premier League in 1992, there have only been four different winners and Blatter is concerned that the priority of most teams is merely to avoid costly relegation.
"In a competition where two-thirds or three-quarters of the participants in the league play not to be first, but not to be relegated, there is something wrong," Blatter told the BBC.
The FIFA chief added that the global power and appeal of the English Premier League is damaging the sport worldwide.
"I have my concerns because the Premier League is the strongest in the world definitely," he said.
"It is taking over in such a manner that the other leagues have difficulties to match it."
Sop Blabber is at it again.
Look at the Primera Liga winners list:
1992 - Barcelona
1993 - Barcelona
1993 - Barcelona
1995 - Real Madrid
1996 - Atletico Madrid
1997 - Real Madrid
1998 - Barcelona
1999 - Barcelona
2000 - Deportivo la Coruna
2001 - Real Madrid
2002 - Valencia
2003 - Real Madrid
2004 - Valencia
2005 - Barcelona
2006 - Barcelona
2007 - Real Madrid
2008 - Real Madrid
Besides the odd years where Deportivo and Atletico won, and the recent emergence of Valencia, it's been Barca and Real all the way in the same time period as mentioned by Sop. In fact, you have to go further back to 1984 before you can find another different winner. Total no. of different winners: 5.
Now look at Serie A:
1992 - AC Milan
1993 - AC Milan
1993 - AC Milan
1995 - Juventus
1996 - AC Milan
1997 - Juventus
1998 - Juventus
1999 - AC Milan
2000 - Lazio
2001 - AS Roma
2002 - Juventus
2003 - Juventus
2004 - AC Milan
2005 - No winner (revoked)
2006 - Inter Milan
2007 - Inter Milan
2008 - Inter Milan
Again, besides the odd years of Roma and Lazio winning, it's been Juve and AC most of the way, with Inter coming good only in the past three years. Total number of different winners: 5.
The French Ligue 1 - yes, they have had 8 different winners since 1992, but for the past SEVEN years Lyon has won it.
Taking away the odd years, you can see a 'big 3' in the Primera Liga, a 'big 3' in Serie A and a 'big 1' in France. So how are these three 'European leagues any 'better' than the EPL in terms of having a few big dominant clubs? At least it's the 'big 4' in England, even if in terms of actual winners it's also a 'big 3'.
If you dig more and look at the 'smaller' leagues, the situation is even worse with Porto and Benfica in Portugal (with the odd year for Sporting) and PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord in the Netherlands.
Anti-English say anti-English lah. Simi 'fear for the sport'. Pui.
Blatter fears Premier League 'damage'
Thu 05 Mar, 11:04 PM
LONDON (AFP) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter believes the dominance of the Premier League's big four - Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal - is proving unhealthy for competition.
Since the formation of the Premier League in 1992, there have only been four different winners and Blatter is concerned that the priority of most teams is merely to avoid costly relegation.
"In a competition where two-thirds or three-quarters of the participants in the league play not to be first, but not to be relegated, there is something wrong," Blatter told the BBC.
The FIFA chief added that the global power and appeal of the English Premier League is damaging the sport worldwide.
"I have my concerns because the Premier League is the strongest in the world definitely," he said.
"It is taking over in such a manner that the other leagues have difficulties to match it."
Sop Blabber is at it again.
Look at the Primera Liga winners list:
1992 - Barcelona
1993 - Barcelona
1993 - Barcelona
1995 - Real Madrid
1996 - Atletico Madrid
1997 - Real Madrid
1998 - Barcelona
1999 - Barcelona
2000 - Deportivo la Coruna
2001 - Real Madrid
2002 - Valencia
2003 - Real Madrid
2004 - Valencia
2005 - Barcelona
2006 - Barcelona
2007 - Real Madrid
2008 - Real Madrid
Besides the odd years where Deportivo and Atletico won, and the recent emergence of Valencia, it's been Barca and Real all the way in the same time period as mentioned by Sop. In fact, you have to go further back to 1984 before you can find another different winner. Total no. of different winners: 5.
Now look at Serie A:
1992 - AC Milan
1993 - AC Milan
1993 - AC Milan
1995 - Juventus
1996 - AC Milan
1997 - Juventus
1998 - Juventus
1999 - AC Milan
2000 - Lazio
2001 - AS Roma
2002 - Juventus
2003 - Juventus
2004 - AC Milan
2005 - No winner (revoked)
2006 - Inter Milan
2007 - Inter Milan
2008 - Inter Milan
Again, besides the odd years of Roma and Lazio winning, it's been Juve and AC most of the way, with Inter coming good only in the past three years. Total number of different winners: 5.
The French Ligue 1 - yes, they have had 8 different winners since 1992, but for the past SEVEN years Lyon has won it.
Taking away the odd years, you can see a 'big 3' in the Primera Liga, a 'big 3' in Serie A and a 'big 1' in France. So how are these three 'European leagues any 'better' than the EPL in terms of having a few big dominant clubs? At least it's the 'big 4' in England, even if in terms of actual winners it's also a 'big 3'.
If you dig more and look at the 'smaller' leagues, the situation is even worse with Porto and Benfica in Portugal (with the odd year for Sporting) and PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord in the Netherlands.
Anti-English say anti-English lah. Simi 'fear for the sport'. Pui.
Newcastle
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Newcastle
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totally agree with Breyton.....
idiots like Blatter and Platini just do not like to see english clubs dominating....I don't hear them complaining when English Clubs are barred from European Cup and Italian clubs are dominating.....
do I hear blatter making noise when Real Madrid paid a world record for Zidane (the record still stands till today). do I hear Blatter making noise when La Liga is only about Real and Barcelona....or did he make noise about supposed Referee buying in Italian football that lead to Juve and Milan kena punish..
Seriously the true problem in football is not address and they address the money issue in EPL...... now EPL got money they not happy....
Idiot blatter and platini
totally agree with Breyton.....
idiots like Blatter and Platini just do not like to see english clubs dominating....I don't hear them complaining when English Clubs are barred from European Cup and Italian clubs are dominating.....
do I hear blatter making noise when Real Madrid paid a world record for Zidane (the record still stands till today). do I hear Blatter making noise when La Liga is only about Real and Barcelona....or did he make noise about supposed Referee buying in Italian football that lead to Juve and Milan kena punish..
Seriously the true problem in football is not address and they address the money issue in EPL...... now EPL got money they not happy....
Idiot blatter and platini
Breyton
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You mean there are other teams besides in the Scottish league? lol...
Rangers and Celtic have taken turns since 1986. Should be renamed the Glasgow Premier League. ...
Another of Sop Blabber's ideas - the so-called 6+5. I wonder if teams like Cardiff, even though they play in the English leagues, have to field 6 Welshmen? Yet another one of Sop's 'I-have-to-break-EPL-dominance' tactics.
dpointt;420783 said:
You mean there are other teams besides in the Scottish league? lol...
Rangers and Celtic have taken turns since 1986. Should be renamed the Glasgow Premier League. ...
Another of Sop Blabber's ideas - the so-called 6+5. I wonder if teams like Cardiff, even though they play in the English leagues, have to field 6 Welshmen? Yet another one of Sop's 'I-have-to-break-EPL-dominance' tactics.
Breyton
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I can understand Platini the french sod disliking the English, but Blabber is Swiss. Wonder what the English did to him. Maybe some English club thrashed Basel or Grasshopper very badly at some point.
Newcastle;420808 said:
I can understand Platini the french sod disliking the English, but Blabber is Swiss. Wonder what the English did to him. Maybe some English club thrashed Basel or Grasshopper very badly at some point.
Newcastle
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frankly I think they are just fearful the english dominate champions league every season...... but seriously every league in the world is dominated by the same few teams...so why are EPL managers and scudamore so silent on it...why are the press in england silent on it...
the 6 + 5 ruling to me is dumb as it means clubs may be forced to field mediocre players for the sake of fulfiling the ruling. this applies to small club like basel and grasshopper as well....
Breyton;420813 said:
frankly I think they are just fearful the english dominate champions league every season...... but seriously every league in the world is dominated by the same few teams...so why are EPL managers and scudamore so silent on it...why are the press in england silent on it...
the 6 + 5 ruling to me is dumb as it means clubs may be forced to field mediocre players for the sake of fulfiling the ruling. this applies to small club like basel and grasshopper as well....
toiletsiao
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I dont think he is anti english .. i think he is indirectly voicing out his concerns on a macro standpoint for soccer..european club compeitions...
Actually i do agree with Sepp Blatter's concern about the strength of EPL ... I posted earlier in this thread about EPL team's dominance in europe... Its really killing interest in this sport/interest ...
As we all know the popularity of this league..as its the most well televised league and the richest league in the world too..At the rate it is being televised ...sometimes to me it seems that EPL is the only league in this world.. ppl have been watching this week in week out now that the European Cup COmpeitions features EPLteams regularly in it..sometimes its even EPL teams vs EPL teams.. To me i find it damn boring....extremely boring...Its killing fan interest in european cup compeitions...I'm speaking from a neutral's pt of view..off course if you are a fan of EPL teams ... you would disagree with me..thats normal..
To me the european sparkle just lost its edge already...its getting really predictable..whatever smaller teams that has outperformed in the european stage would eventually have their team's core players dismantled and bought over by EPL teams..eg Ashravin (Zenit) -> Arsenal , Porto(2003 Champs) ,Michael Essien , Florent Malouda (Lyon) --> Chelsea..Benny Mcharthy (Porto) --> Blackburn Rovers, Vidic --> Man Utd. Off course one can argue that they also got go to other big clubs like madrid barcelona etc..if u see closely the mega deals big player moves are to EPL clubs now...especially in recent years..
How to stay compeitive for the rest if it carries on like this...
I'm not flaming EPL for its popularity, I do watch EPL regularly... my fave team is english..Sheffield Wednesday...its languishing in ELC now... I'm just concerned about the dominance of it and what its doing to the sport on a macro level..
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Breyton;420738 said:
I dont think he is anti english .. i think he is indirectly voicing out his concerns on a macro standpoint for soccer..european club compeitions...
Actually i do agree with Sepp Blatter's concern about the strength of EPL ... I posted earlier in this thread about EPL team's dominance in europe... Its really killing interest in this sport/interest ...
As we all know the popularity of this league..as its the most well televised league and the richest league in the world too..At the rate it is being televised ...sometimes to me it seems that EPL is the only league in this world.. ppl have been watching this week in week out now that the European Cup COmpeitions features EPLteams regularly in it..sometimes its even EPL teams vs EPL teams.. To me i find it damn boring....extremely boring...Its killing fan interest in european cup compeitions...I'm speaking from a neutral's pt of view..off course if you are a fan of EPL teams ... you would disagree with me..thats normal..
To me the european sparkle just lost its edge already...its getting really predictable..whatever smaller teams that has outperformed in the european stage would eventually have their team's core players dismantled and bought over by EPL teams..eg Ashravin (Zenit) -> Arsenal , Porto(2003 Champs) ,Michael Essien , Florent Malouda (Lyon) --> Chelsea..Benny Mcharthy (Porto) --> Blackburn Rovers, Vidic --> Man Utd. Off course one can argue that they also got go to other big clubs like madrid barcelona etc..if u see closely the mega deals big player moves are to EPL clubs now...especially in recent years..
How to stay compeitive for the rest if it carries on like this...
I'm not flaming EPL for its popularity, I do watch EPL regularly... my fave team is english..Sheffield Wednesday...its languishing in ELC now... I'm just concerned about the dominance of it and what its doing to the sport on a macro level..
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Money breeds commercialisation, which in turns brings money, and more money brings in better players, which brings in commercialisation again, like jerseys sales worldwide, and the cycle carries on.........
Hard to regress backwards, especially in view of how far this cycle has perpetuated....
Money breeds commercialisation, which in turns brings money, and more money brings in better players, which brings in commercialisation again, like jerseys sales worldwide, and the cycle carries on.........
Hard to regress backwards, especially in view of how far this cycle has perpetuated....
Breyton
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The EPL's dominance today was not achieved overnight. And yet, despite this supposed 'dominance' they have had fewer wins in Europe than the Spanish and the Italians since the EPL's inception (English wins = 3, Spanish = 5, Italian = 4). In that same period, the Germans have won it twice and the French, Dutch and Portuguese have all won it once. And the wins by clubs from different countries have been more or less evenly spread over that period - it's not like the 3 English wins have been concentrated over the past few years. That's the beauty of the Champions League. Supposedly 'lesser' teams like Porto can knock 'giants' like Man Utd out and go on to win it.
No doubt the EPL is the richest league, most televised league, attracts the best players, etc. The EPL's commercial success stemmed from forward-thinking early on, prudent deals with TV networks and marketing efforts since then. And then came the fad of billionaires buying EPL clubs as their newest toys. But we have all seen that money doesn't guarantee success on the pitch.
Even the supposed attracting of the best players to the EPL - look at winners of the Fifa World Player of the Year - before Cristiano Ronaldo won it for 2008, there have been a grand total of ZERO winners from the English clubs since the EPL's inception. The EPL may have the quantity somewhat, but not necessarily the top quality.
Anyway, as Kenn says, the process is too far along to reverse. I am just wondering what are the 'macro level' negatives that the EPL has on the sport? The EPL's commercial success has made them the de-facto 'International Premier League'. It has become the stage where many of the world's best players (but as pointed out earlier, not necessarily THE best) ply their trade. But wherever these players play, they would still be watched and wouldn't it be better for the sport's reach and promotion if they did it on the world's most televised stage? The fact that the EPL is that stage, has I think precipitated envy in some quarters.
toiletsiao;421163 said:
The EPL's dominance today was not achieved overnight. And yet, despite this supposed 'dominance' they have had fewer wins in Europe than the Spanish and the Italians since the EPL's inception (English wins = 3, Spanish = 5, Italian = 4). In that same period, the Germans have won it twice and the French, Dutch and Portuguese have all won it once. And the wins by clubs from different countries have been more or less evenly spread over that period - it's not like the 3 English wins have been concentrated over the past few years. That's the beauty of the Champions League. Supposedly 'lesser' teams like Porto can knock 'giants' like Man Utd out and go on to win it.
No doubt the EPL is the richest league, most televised league, attracts the best players, etc. The EPL's commercial success stemmed from forward-thinking early on, prudent deals with TV networks and marketing efforts since then. And then came the fad of billionaires buying EPL clubs as their newest toys. But we have all seen that money doesn't guarantee success on the pitch.
Even the supposed attracting of the best players to the EPL - look at winners of the Fifa World Player of the Year - before Cristiano Ronaldo won it for 2008, there have been a grand total of ZERO winners from the English clubs since the EPL's inception. The EPL may have the quantity somewhat, but not necessarily the top quality.
Anyway, as Kenn says, the process is too far along to reverse. I am just wondering what are the 'macro level' negatives that the EPL has on the sport? The EPL's commercial success has made them the de-facto 'International Premier League'. It has become the stage where many of the world's best players (but as pointed out earlier, not necessarily THE best) ply their trade. But wherever these players play, they would still be watched and wouldn't it be better for the sport's reach and promotion if they did it on the world's most televised stage? The fact that the EPL is that stage, has I think precipitated envy in some quarters.
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Commercialisation has a point in favour of Asian fanatics. It pays so much attention even the timeslots are favourable for us. The La Liga and Serie A games are too late, IMO.
FA Cup semis:
Chelsea facing Arsenal or Hull
Man Utd playing Everton (1985 final, Norman Whiteside hero)
Commercialisation has a point in favour of Asian fanatics. It pays so much attention even the timeslots are favourable for us. The La Liga and Serie A games are too late, IMO.
FA Cup semis:
Chelsea facing Arsenal or Hull
Man Utd playing Everton (1985 final, Norman Whiteside hero)
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Ultimately, Champions League is still a CUP competition.....
I got the impression of that the English loves this type of competition as compared the the other leagues in europe!! The english loves the David Vs Goliath stories but not to the Italian or the Spanish fans... In fact the matches involved in the CL are having lesser turnouts than when playing in their own league!!! especially in the round robin period...
However there's one cup tt'll attract more viewers and its called WORLD CUP that only happens every 4 yours... sigh!
Ultimately, Champions League is still a CUP competition.....
I got the impression of that the English loves this type of competition as compared the the other leagues in europe!! The english loves the David Vs Goliath stories but not to the Italian or the Spanish fans... In fact the matches involved in the CL are having lesser turnouts than when playing in their own league!!! especially in the round robin period...
However there's one cup tt'll attract more viewers and its called WORLD CUP that only happens every 4 yours... sigh!
Breyton
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Yes, time slots are definitely favourable for the EPL games. I sometimes even fall asleep watching the 1am kickoff, not to mention the La Liga and Serie A matches.
1985 final, Norman Whiteside hero and Kevin Moran villian. lol.
kenntona;421456 said:
Yes, time slots are definitely favourable for the EPL games. I sometimes even fall asleep watching the 1am kickoff, not to mention the La Liga and Serie A matches.
1985 final, Norman Whiteside hero and Kevin Moran villian. lol.
