RE: Throttle Body Device
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Re: Throttle Body Device
This sounds like pulling out all my nostrils hair & a plastic surgery to enlarge the nostrils so as to stand a better chance in IPPT.
For the NA motor, you will want a smooth sucking pressure right from the filter -> throttle -> intake manifold -> intake valves. Our stock intake manifold is a piece of BMW engineering brilliance, why ruin it?
This sounds like pulling out all my nostrils hair & a plastic surgery to enlarge the nostrils so as to stand a better chance in IPPT.
For the NA motor, you will want a smooth sucking pressure right from the filter -> throttle -> intake manifold -> intake valves. Our stock intake manifold is a piece of BMW engineering brilliance, why ruin it?
Re: Throttle Body Device
Too fast????? Wah!! Den better change to Kancil....slightly slower, not so scary.....
'The Great White'
oomph said:just checked it out - and there's a post there reporting 10% increase in fuel consumption. some selling already cos its "too fast' for their chipped and upgraded turbo
Too fast????? Wah!! Den better change to Kancil....slightly slower, not so scary.....
'The Great White'
Re: Throttle Body Device
I am one person that feels that the sprintbooster is still the best mod I've ever done. Affordable and effective. I have no problem with erratic behaviour or buckling ride now. Just needs feathering of the throttle pedal. Brisk acceleration is available on demand depending on the right foot.
I am one person that feels that the sprintbooster is still the best mod I've ever done. Affordable and effective. I have no problem with erratic behaviour or buckling ride now. Just needs feathering of the throttle pedal. Brisk acceleration is available on demand depending on the right foot.
Mark_Twain
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Re: Throttle Body Device
I am a happy user of the throttle device too!
Initially, the consumption went up due to "run-in" stage of my right foot on the new "shiok" accelerator.
After a few weeks, I am now able to control my right foot and not much difference in the consumption if don't step hard.
I think it is a nice mod to have and you can control to use it when you need.
Normal mode > drive normally with lighter foot > same consumption
Chiong mode > drive with slightly heavier foot > slightly higher consumption
At least, now I can "chiong" in instance when I need to overtake without stepping all the way down!
I am a happy user of the throttle device too!
Initially, the consumption went up due to "run-in" stage of my right foot on the new "shiok" accelerator.
After a few weeks, I am now able to control my right foot and not much difference in the consumption if don't step hard.
I think it is a nice mod to have and you can control to use it when you need.
Normal mode > drive normally with lighter foot > same consumption
Chiong mode > drive with slightly heavier foot > slightly higher consumption
At least, now I can "chiong" in instance when I need to overtake without stepping all the way down!
Re: Throttle Body Device
Very very well said!!!!!
That is the exact words I was trying to tell some of them....
Have instant or more responsive throttle response is better than dun have right?
One decides on how you wanna use the gadget or how you wanna drive after you have it....kekekeke
Some even mentioned that car might cheong too fast & hit another car......den I told them what if you decide to change from 318i(143bhp) to M3(343bhp).....
200bhp diff......if you still step the same amount of throttle travel on your 318i to the M3, I think the M3 will cheong & hit the car infront of you......
Just my 2cts......sorri if I offended anybody yah!!
'The Great White'
Mark_Twain said:
Very very well said!!!!!
That is the exact words I was trying to tell some of them....
Have instant or more responsive throttle response is better than dun have right?
One decides on how you wanna use the gadget or how you wanna drive after you have it....kekekeke
Some even mentioned that car might cheong too fast & hit another car......den I told them what if you decide to change from 318i(143bhp) to M3(343bhp).....
200bhp diff......if you still step the same amount of throttle travel on your 318i to the M3, I think the M3 will cheong & hit the car infront of you......
Just my 2cts......sorri if I offended anybody yah!!
'The Great White'
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Not trying to sway the crowd. I just feel this throttle device is like 2 steps backward... something in the good old days of Datsun 100A carburettors.
A smooth throttle is critical in a handling sense while negotiating bends, you'll want a precise and predictable accelerator so as to control the car (shift weight) thru the apex; blip, chop, stomp, throttle steer.
What's a rice car? A 1000bhp Supra is rice.
What's a sports car? A 180bhp Lotus is a great sports car.
Which one do you think laps faster round the Nurburgring?
Put a chimpangze in that Supra and it will eat the Lotus in a drag race. Any idiot can drive fast in a straight line.
What's a BMW?.... certainly not a rice car nor a drag car. just don't ruin it.
wilman2772 said:Very very well said!!!!!
That is the exact words I was trying to tell some of them....
Have instant or more responsive throttle response is better than dun have right?
One decides on how you wanna use the gadget or how you wanna drive after you have it....kekekeke
Some even mentioned that car might cheong too fast & hit another car......den I told them what if you decide to change from 318i(143bhp) to M3(343bhp).....
200bhp diff......if you still step the same amount of throttle travel on your 318i to the M3, I think the M3 will cheong & hit the car infront of you......
Just my 2cts......sorri if I offended anybody yah!!
'The Great White'
Not trying to sway the crowd. I just feel this throttle device is like 2 steps backward... something in the good old days of Datsun 100A carburettors.
A smooth throttle is critical in a handling sense while negotiating bends, you'll want a precise and predictable accelerator so as to control the car (shift weight) thru the apex; blip, chop, stomp, throttle steer.
What's a rice car? A 1000bhp Supra is rice.
What's a sports car? A 180bhp Lotus is a great sports car.
Which one do you think laps faster round the Nurburgring?
Put a chimpangze in that Supra and it will eat the Lotus in a drag race. Any idiot can drive fast in a straight line.
What's a BMW?.... certainly not a rice car nor a drag car. just don't ruin it.
g75y
Well-Known Member
Re: Throttle Body Device
Just topped up my fuel tank for first time since having the device installed. FC definitely went up but thats probably because have been testing the device out quite a bit. Will see how it fares with more normal driving.
But agree with other forum members - device gives you the option to go quicker if you want. otherwise just learn to step a little lighter.
Just topped up my fuel tank for first time since having the device installed. FC definitely went up but thats probably because have been testing the device out quite a bit. Will see how it fares with more normal driving.
But agree with other forum members - device gives you the option to go quicker if you want. otherwise just learn to step a little lighter.
Re: Throttle Body Device
Bro,
Please come to Singapore, bring your cars back here & join us man!!!
"What's a BMW?.... certainly not a rice car nor a drag car. just don't ruin it"
Wat we do to our BMW it's individual preference, me for 1 will never drive a stock BMW!!
'The Great White'
CGT said:
Bro,
Please come to Singapore, bring your cars back here & join us man!!!
"What's a BMW?.... certainly not a rice car nor a drag car. just don't ruin it"
Wat we do to our BMW it's individual preference, me for 1 will never drive a stock BMW!!
'The Great White'
marcong77
Active Member
Re: Throttle Body Device
Hi fellows,
I'm the kind of driver who likes to drive with thumb. Good o' cruise control....
May I ask what kind of response will i get if I install this thing?? For eg, if we press the accelerate "+" button, will the car jump and experience eccentric acceleration??
Thanks!!! :laughlik:
Hi fellows,
I'm the kind of driver who likes to drive with thumb. Good o' cruise control....
May I ask what kind of response will i get if I install this thing?? For eg, if we press the accelerate "+" button, will the car jump and experience eccentric acceleration??
Thanks!!! :laughlik:
Re: Throttle Body Device
Hi, Here are the feedback from friend who installed the device.
installed on my mum's car last night!!
my dad had been raving about it on his way back!! haha, so funny how a 55yr old can get excited over a small thing!! the car feels lighter lah, kickdown faster lah, more responsive lah, highway overtaking syiok lah, etc!!
See how people appreciate this product.
Cheers, uncle
Hi, Here are the feedback from friend who installed the device.
installed on my mum's car last night!!
my dad had been raving about it on his way back!! haha, so funny how a 55yr old can get excited over a small thing!! the car feels lighter lah, kickdown faster lah, more responsive lah, highway overtaking syiok lah, etc!!
See how people appreciate this product.
Cheers, uncle
Re: Throttle Body Device
What you do to your BMW is your preference... NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
Are you a vendor? Are you not trying to sell something? Why can't you take constructive critism/discussion on the product you are selling?
If this throttle thing comes from reputable tuners such as Hartge, AC, Hamman, GruppeM etc or even replicas, bootleg stuff.... then critism would be unfair.
Please understand that this "new" and "innovative" throtte thing you are trying to sell, is like what you say "eccentric". Something out of the automotive world, so unique so special such that NO major tuners, European or even the Japanese ones (HKS, JUN etc) have the capability to develop.
I am not "vendor-bashing" (site sponsors), if fact I applaud you for some of your products which are TRUELY good and valuable. But don't rip anyone one off.
Penny for thought, why major pharmacies are not selling "indian-cock-oil"?
wilman2772 said:Bro,
Are you in Singapore?? U sound just like another professor!!
U R rich, we can't afford Fellali, so little gadgets helps.
I dare you to get a Chimpagze to drive a Supra!!!
Please come to Singapore, bring your cars back here & join us man!!!
"What's a BMW?.... certainly not a rice car nor a drag car. just don't ruin it"
Wat we do to our BMW it's individual preference, me for 1 will never drive a stock BMW!!
'The Great White'
What you do to your BMW is your preference... NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
Are you a vendor? Are you not trying to sell something? Why can't you take constructive critism/discussion on the product you are selling?
If this throttle thing comes from reputable tuners such as Hartge, AC, Hamman, GruppeM etc or even replicas, bootleg stuff.... then critism would be unfair.
Please understand that this "new" and "innovative" throtte thing you are trying to sell, is like what you say "eccentric". Something out of the automotive world, so unique so special such that NO major tuners, European or even the Japanese ones (HKS, JUN etc) have the capability to develop.
I am not "vendor-bashing" (site sponsors), if fact I applaud you for some of your products which are TRUELY good and valuable. But don't rip anyone one off.
Penny for thought, why major pharmacies are not selling "indian-cock-oil"?
Re: Throttle Body Device
No comments on this cos if reputable tuners do come out with gadget like this one, we'll sure to try & compare the different brands!
I'm suprised when I found out there's such a device too!! This was chance upon during Essen Motor Show last Dec....so to us, this is totally new.....U never know by now it's oready being marketed to the rest of the world......
I can't read German.....maybe you can help!!
http://www.amb-tuning.de/produkte/sprint-booster/amb-tuning/bmw.html
Thanks, ripping ppl off?? If you think it's too expensive....don't buy!! One can always go direct & pay 229euro w/o freight for the same product.
Some will buy the real Viagra & pay $X, but some will buy karmagra & pay $x, they still work!!!
Everybody sells stuff at different pricing....big players with $$ can order stuff in large quantity thus overall lower prices. Small timer like me only do per request ordering, so how to get dirt cheap pricing??
From the way you comment on this gadget, you seem like one that doesn't like to mod a 'good' car....& from the profile of the arrays of supercars that you have....I really envy U!
So far, with over 80 bimmers now installed with this gadget, only 4~5 guys are still trying to get used to the new behaviour of the throttle response.....the rest of them including myself just love it!
So far U're just reading the comments from the rest here & don't know much about or what this really is.....why don't you buy one back to Taipei & install into your friends BMW & ask them for their views/comments after the installation??
Really my 2cts worth comments!!
'The Great White'
CGT said:
No comments on this cos if reputable tuners do come out with gadget like this one, we'll sure to try & compare the different brands!
CGT said:
I'm suprised when I found out there's such a device too!! This was chance upon during Essen Motor Show last Dec....so to us, this is totally new.....U never know by now it's oready being marketed to the rest of the world......
I can't read German.....maybe you can help!!
http://www.amb-tuning.de/produkte/sprint-booster/amb-tuning/bmw.html
CGT said:
Thanks, ripping ppl off?? If you think it's too expensive....don't buy!! One can always go direct & pay 229euro w/o freight for the same product.
Some will buy the real Viagra & pay $X, but some will buy karmagra & pay $x, they still work!!!
Everybody sells stuff at different pricing....big players with $$ can order stuff in large quantity thus overall lower prices. Small timer like me only do per request ordering, so how to get dirt cheap pricing??
From the way you comment on this gadget, you seem like one that doesn't like to mod a 'good' car....& from the profile of the arrays of supercars that you have....I really envy U!
So far, with over 80 bimmers now installed with this gadget, only 4~5 guys are still trying to get used to the new behaviour of the throttle response.....the rest of them including myself just love it!
So far U're just reading the comments from the rest here & don't know much about or what this really is.....why don't you buy one back to Taipei & install into your friends BMW & ask them for their views/comments after the installation??
Really my 2cts worth comments!!
'The Great White'
Re: Throttle Body Device
Although freedom of opinion expression is totally justified, I do understand both CGT and wilson point of view.
However, I would like to point out that a 1000bhp Toyota Supra is a force to be reckon with. Yes, from stock, its no big deal. But tuning it to 1000 bhp is a engineering marvel in its own right.
So its not from a white man continental country, but from a yellow skined rice eating land of the rising sun. But, that doesnt make it any less superior. I am saying this because many people have used this word `rice car` as a form of slapstick critizism. - generally used as a negative impression towards asian engineering.
Its been emphasised alot by many Americans in their hot rods mustangs and Corvettes after being eaten up by Evos and Wrxs. So they are made by Japanese, but they are no slow moving vehicles and handling performance are no push aside either.
I can see that you are a big conti car fan. And for some of its reasons, I can agree. But please, if you can , try to give a little credit to well tuned japanese monster rather than just calling them RICE. If you are asian, the more you should try to refrain from using this term. If you are caucasian... good luck to you
Although freedom of opinion expression is totally justified, I do understand both CGT and wilson point of view.
However, I would like to point out that a 1000bhp Toyota Supra is a force to be reckon with. Yes, from stock, its no big deal. But tuning it to 1000 bhp is a engineering marvel in its own right.
So its not from a white man continental country, but from a yellow skined rice eating land of the rising sun. But, that doesnt make it any less superior. I am saying this because many people have used this word `rice car` as a form of slapstick critizism. - generally used as a negative impression towards asian engineering.
Its been emphasised alot by many Americans in their hot rods mustangs and Corvettes after being eaten up by Evos and Wrxs. So they are made by Japanese, but they are no slow moving vehicles and handling performance are no push aside either.
I can see that you are a big conti car fan. And for some of its reasons, I can agree. But please, if you can , try to give a little credit to well tuned japanese monster rather than just calling them RICE. If you are asian, the more you should try to refrain from using this term. If you are caucasian... good luck to you
CGT said:
Re: Throttle Body Device
Not true? Perhaps of my bluntness, that I apologise.
This throttle thing uses a Potentiometer to toggle with the TPS (throttle positioning sensor)output en route to the factory DME, by doing so it fools the DME into thinking that you are at 90% throttle but apparently you are only on 30% throttle.
Primarily, the DME receives 4 key inputs so as to determine the engine load and outputs the desired amount of fuel & ignition timing. Read into the factory 3D maps ( i am sure you know what I am talking about). 1. Engine RPM from the crank sensor, 2. Intake Air flow from the Air flow Sensor, 3. Exhuast Lambda, 4. TPS sensor.
This throttle device would completely complicate the smoothness of the engine revs, as such, I would suggest you put the car on a proper dyno that is equipped with a WIDE BAND oxygen sensor. You'll see overly lean and rich spots on certain points in the chart that when compared to the similar car without the device. Thereby ruining the car as a whole(handling). On any car, stock or modified.. if you do get more than 2% HP gain (at any rpm) simply by installing this device, please give me call. I would apologise for my ignorance.
No matter how you play with the TPS signal, the amount of air flow into the combustion chamber remains the same. Dosen't this sound like enlarging/clearing the nostrils without modifying the lungs? You THINK you can run faster, because you FEEL you breathe better. Does that help?
I am a big fan of modification, not condoning the device but I just feel it is the wrong way to do it. No HP gain + Poor vehicle handling.
Don't worry, they will NEVER do it.
OK. I honestly never tried it before, just another blunt comment. I still think that the "Indian-Cock-Oil" is bull. Any experience to share?
Again, I am a big fan of modification. I love the e46s as much as everyone else. Perhaps I am subjective towards the way of doing it propely, effectively. The current e46 needs better brakes, stiffer shocks and higher revs.
I am working on an S54 motor with New MAHLE pistons, Nikasil, and Titanium rods. to be dropped into an e46 in Singapore. Still contemplating standalone engine management or programmable piggy-back. If you are interested in working on this, drop me a PM.
Sorry if I have offended you or anyone else.
wilman2772 said:
Not true? Perhaps of my bluntness, that I apologise.
This throttle thing uses a Potentiometer to toggle with the TPS (throttle positioning sensor)output en route to the factory DME, by doing so it fools the DME into thinking that you are at 90% throttle but apparently you are only on 30% throttle.
Primarily, the DME receives 4 key inputs so as to determine the engine load and outputs the desired amount of fuel & ignition timing. Read into the factory 3D maps ( i am sure you know what I am talking about). 1. Engine RPM from the crank sensor, 2. Intake Air flow from the Air flow Sensor, 3. Exhuast Lambda, 4. TPS sensor.
This throttle device would completely complicate the smoothness of the engine revs, as such, I would suggest you put the car on a proper dyno that is equipped with a WIDE BAND oxygen sensor. You'll see overly lean and rich spots on certain points in the chart that when compared to the similar car without the device. Thereby ruining the car as a whole(handling). On any car, stock or modified.. if you do get more than 2% HP gain (at any rpm) simply by installing this device, please give me call. I would apologise for my ignorance.
No matter how you play with the TPS signal, the amount of air flow into the combustion chamber remains the same. Dosen't this sound like enlarging/clearing the nostrils without modifying the lungs? You THINK you can run faster, because you FEEL you breathe better. Does that help?
I am a big fan of modification, not condoning the device but I just feel it is the wrong way to do it. No HP gain + Poor vehicle handling.
wilman2772 said:
Don't worry, they will NEVER do it.
wilman2772 said:Some will buy the real Viagra & pay $X, but some will buy karmagra & pay $x, they still work!!!
OK. I honestly never tried it before, just another blunt comment. I still think that the "Indian-Cock-Oil" is bull. Any experience to share?
wilman2772 said:
Again, I am a big fan of modification. I love the e46s as much as everyone else. Perhaps I am subjective towards the way of doing it propely, effectively. The current e46 needs better brakes, stiffer shocks and higher revs.
I am working on an S54 motor with New MAHLE pistons, Nikasil, and Titanium rods. to be dropped into an e46 in Singapore. Still contemplating standalone engine management or programmable piggy-back. If you are interested in working on this, drop me a PM.
Sorry if I have offended you or anyone else.
Re: Throttle Body Device
Not true? Perhaps of my bluntness, that I apologise.
This throttle thing uses a Potentiometer to toggle with the TPS (throttle positioning sensor)output en route to the factory DME, by doing so it fools the DME into thinking that you are at 90% throttle but apparently you are only on 30% throttle.
Primarily, the DME receives 4 key inputs so as to determine the engine load and outputs the desired amount of fuel & ignition timing. Read into the factory 3D maps ( i am sure you know what I am talking about). 1. Engine RPM from the crank sensor, 2. Intake Air flow from the Air flow Sensor, 3. Exhuast Lambda, 4. TPS sensor.
This throttle device would completely destroys the smoothness of the engine revs, as such, I would suggest you put the car on a proper dyno that is equipped with a WIDE BAND oxygen sensor. You'll see overly lean and rich spots on various points in the chart when compared to the similar car without the device, thereby ruining the car as a whole(handling). On any car, stock or modifirs.. if you do get more than 2% HP gain (at any rpm) by installing this device, please give me call. I would apologise for my ignorance.
No matter how you play with the TPS signal, the amount of air that manage to get into the combustion chamber remains the same. Dosen't this sound like enlarging/clearing the nostrils without modifying the lungs? You think you can run faster, because you FEEL you breathe better. It helps?
I am a big fan of modification, not condoning the device but I just feel it is the wrong way to do it. No HP gain + Poor vehicle handling.
Don't worry, they will NOT do it.
OK. I honestly never tried using it before, just another blunt comment. But I always and still think that the "Indian-Cock-Oil" is bull. Any experience to share?
Again, I am a big fan of modification. I love the e46s as much as everyone else. Perhaps I am subjective towards the way of doing it propely, effectively. The current e46 needs better brakes, stiffer shocks and higher revs.
I am working on an S54 motor with New MAHLE pistons, Nikasil, and Titanium rods. to be dropped into an e46 in Singapore. Still contemplating standalone engine management or programmable piggy-back. If you are interested in working on this, drop me a PM.
Sorry I have offended you or anyone else.
wilman2772 said:
Not true? Perhaps of my bluntness, that I apologise.
This throttle thing uses a Potentiometer to toggle with the TPS (throttle positioning sensor)output en route to the factory DME, by doing so it fools the DME into thinking that you are at 90% throttle but apparently you are only on 30% throttle.
Primarily, the DME receives 4 key inputs so as to determine the engine load and outputs the desired amount of fuel & ignition timing. Read into the factory 3D maps ( i am sure you know what I am talking about). 1. Engine RPM from the crank sensor, 2. Intake Air flow from the Air flow Sensor, 3. Exhuast Lambda, 4. TPS sensor.
This throttle device would completely destroys the smoothness of the engine revs, as such, I would suggest you put the car on a proper dyno that is equipped with a WIDE BAND oxygen sensor. You'll see overly lean and rich spots on various points in the chart when compared to the similar car without the device, thereby ruining the car as a whole(handling). On any car, stock or modifirs.. if you do get more than 2% HP gain (at any rpm) by installing this device, please give me call. I would apologise for my ignorance.
No matter how you play with the TPS signal, the amount of air that manage to get into the combustion chamber remains the same. Dosen't this sound like enlarging/clearing the nostrils without modifying the lungs? You think you can run faster, because you FEEL you breathe better. It helps?
I am a big fan of modification, not condoning the device but I just feel it is the wrong way to do it. No HP gain + Poor vehicle handling.
wilman2772 said:
Don't worry, they will NOT do it.
wilman2772 said:Some will buy the real Viagra & pay $X, but some will buy karmagra & pay $x, they still work!!!
OK. I honestly never tried using it before, just another blunt comment. But I always and still think that the "Indian-Cock-Oil" is bull. Any experience to share?
wilman2772 said:
Again, I am a big fan of modification. I love the e46s as much as everyone else. Perhaps I am subjective towards the way of doing it propely, effectively. The current e46 needs better brakes, stiffer shocks and higher revs.
I am working on an S54 motor with New MAHLE pistons, Nikasil, and Titanium rods. to be dropped into an e46 in Singapore. Still contemplating standalone engine management or programmable piggy-back. If you are interested in working on this, drop me a PM.
Sorry I have offended you or anyone else.
