Re: Audi R8 Testing
SMYUEN;249004 said:
I have taken a step back and taken a better look at the recent verbal exchanges between myself and shaun.
I am inclined to write this post because I feel the need to share my perspective. As a reader, you can chose to ignore or disagree. I wrote this post yesterday but I decided not to post it, telling myself to do so only if Shaun continue to manifest his sarcastic, word-twisting and vindictive mannerism. I told myself if Shaun keeps his lid, I will keep mine. But destiny would have it that he would create another whimsical post that ended with him telling me to “rinse my mouth”. (which I have done before posting this)
And indeed, he fell for the ploy. By using his own medicine back at him, he couldn’t withstand the opportunity for another salvo. It was too glorious an opening for him. And so here it goes.
I have begun to understand the unusual behaviour of someone like you, Shaun. Someone like you who uses the internet as a faceless medium to gratify yourself.
Someone who goes around forums inciting wrath, angst and hatred by intentional use of provocative remarks, under the clout of apparent delivery of technical knowledge, reflects an unsound mind.
No normal person would enjoy being banned from forums (especially if he loves cars) and no one would certainly enjoy making enemies from a recreational activity like surfing the internet.
I have noticed an underlying theme behind your strategically constructed replies – you use good English with carefully chosen words to systematically and painstakingly manipulate the emotive, psychological and social attributes of a person (s). You are a master of the art of delivering the jugular blow – at the right place, at the right time – to elicit the kind of fury and pique from your victim that you originally intended.
You are not stupid, as can be observed by your clever use of words as well as your sound knowledge of technical expertise in the field of automobiles. You are not happy enough to be recognised as a reliable source of independently verifiable information; you choose to colour your remarks with arrogance, with the sterling purpose of igniting an oil fire. You often succeed – as can be seen by the responses from other forums, including you being banned from some of them. You perhaps then obtain your egoistic satisfaction. You search the world for car forums to showcase your talents, but you do so in a misplaced and strange manner. If your intention is to educate, then I think the delivery has been a tragedy. Your language and choice of words are offensive to put it bluntly. Despite the fact that you have been advised on your flaws, you chose not to mend your approach. Something I cannot phathom.
With all these observations in mind, I am inclined to comment that you are almost harbouring on the brink of a psychosocial disorder. Your behaviour is certainly not normal, and I urge you to take stock of your own mental health and seek medical advice should the need arise. You have an intelligent and capable mind that has worrying synapses which stimulate you to embark on verbal exchanges beyond the ordinary – with the intention to emotionally maim and critically insult. Your world revolves around the computer – it is your means of communication, but you are not communicating in ways becoming of someone of your age and intellect. Your comments are somewhat perverse, and your definition of happiness is warped. You choose your victims carefully, and proceed to devour them at the slightest opportunity, using bystanders as leverage and under the clout of speaking up for (your) truths and beliefs, or on the pretext of standing up for someone else. You do not withdraw once you are on the offensive, you prepare for the kill. To silence. To torture beyond reprieve. You are almost like Hannibal, but the intellectual version.
I feel sorry for you. Sorry for your lack of insight into your own inadequacies, and I wonder if you have had setbacks in life or in childhood that might have triggered this irretrievable road to self destruction. As someone older than you, I take it unkindly on myself in engaging you in an unnecessary verbal tirade, force-feeding your fuel hungry mind with the kind of angry responses that you so desire and crave for, especially those responses that provide you immense gratification.
This forum, in my opinion, has been kind to you. You have good friends that stand by you, perhaps seeing you on the other side of the fence and appreciating your real nature (which I understand is not that bad at all). Unfortunately, words on the internet often carry misrepresented emotion and accusations, reactions and tempers can run wild. Some of your remarks today, especially when unprovoked, would almost certainly warrant an instant banning (or at least a warning) from other forums, who will obviously not view you so graciously. No forum will tolerate trouble makers of any sort, and your track records in other forums speak for itself. Do count your blessings on the liberty bestowed upon you, albeit unceremoniously, which allows you relative free play in your personal cyberspace portal in bmw-sg.
What started as my personal (biased or not biased is besides the point) take on the Audi R8 and the test drive issues has surged to become a war of words. Despite me repeatedly stating my point (which everyone is entitled to disagree of course), you have chosen to ignore my pleas for sanity and for objectivity, and continue to draw delight with posts oblivious to any form of objective clarification that I wanted to make.
I never said the R8 was a lousy car.. In fact I liked the look when I first saw it, but I didn’t like the fact that it had some semblance to the TT (again my own opinion) nor that strange patch of discoloured metal on its sides. For that, I am taken to the guillotine. By you. I compared the presence of test drives to reputability and tradition of true blue exotics, and I did not once said the R8 was incapable of challenging for top honours. I merely meant I felt it needed time to prove its mettle, despite what car journalists say around the world. And the fact that test drives are being allowed is an indication of the company’s appreciation that “hey we have got a great car here, and we need to let people know’.
I think you need help.
And you need help soon.
Especially when I have been told the best method to dis-engage you is to ignore your posts.
Which is what I will do.
Remember the world will move on with or without you. And the world certainly, does not revolve around your heroic internet fantasies.
Take care.
SM
Wowee.. that's a lot of analysis! How much do I owe you doc? So much drama to do with nothing. I think you would fit in great as a contestant on The Price Is Right. I like your disguised comeback after display of lack of self-control.
But seriously.... your assumptions continue. You are unable to accept you are no authority on Life and on The Real World. You are unable to answer the straight questions on some clearly arrogant statements you have made. You are also unable to keep your language clean. These errors sit on top of your already clear ignorance on Audi and Auto Union.
Unable to deal with it, you generate this awesome essay of a psycho analysis (I didn't know you were a shrink too!), which has nothing to do with discussing logic or the R8, or is a continuation of any of the discussion here, instead jumping straight to a personal attack. So, it is quite clear the one with the problems, is you. Realize I came to this thread with zero technical contribution until questions were asked. This thread was a non technical thread when I joined, bringing no tech, so don't even try to suggest this was about tech-cloak and other figment-of-the-imagination fluff.
You do not know me, so you do not know that my technical interests come after my interest in ethics, logic, and accountability. I live my life this way and I try very hard every day to not compromise any of them. The arguments leading to banning or me closing my own forum (6 years ago or so) have been because of this. I used to concern myself with arguments on morality but have backed off in recent years because there is too much of it to deal with and it is quite subjective. The collective can be united in error, lack the ability or desire to talk straight because of the risk of being wrong and having to admit it (this thing about "face" quite ridiculous) and verbally abuse, swindle, physically threaten, psycho analyze, while ignoring logic. If they cannot deal with their illogic and hypocrisy being pointed out, and want you out of there, then so be it. Better to keep your values and beliefs uncompromised than sit around and stuff your face alongside wolves. Of course I don't let go. I don't because I have nothing to gain politically and I believe in standing up for what you believe, being accountable for what you've said. Retracting it, or apologizing for it, if wrong. It's happened before.
It's funny you suggest I would be banned here when you have broken actual forum rule with your name calling, bad language, and personal attack in the form of a highly subjective extremely negative, psycho analysis.
What you see and hear on these local forums is but part of the picture. The strange thing is that on any overseas forum, things always go the other way because of the more open, independent minds. There are at least 4 good ones I currently post on. Across these I have been nominated forum leader without even trying, been on the most valuable poster list, gotten idiots banned, made friends and attended industry conventions and races together, worked on projects with, gotten great out of print books for free from halfway round the world, continue to discuss things with people and professionals who are plain world class, etc. And yet my best friends are not even remotely involved in these areas or even scientific areas at all.
You criticize delivery, but I assure you I am one of the softest delivery guys when it comes to tech. On logic and accountability delivery could be softer but I prefer not to go that way because it serves as a good filter. For example, now I have an excellent idea on how you truly view yourself (as god - teacher of Life, all knowing of the real world, accountable to none) and as such, can move on and continue to look for, and possibly find, other people - good people.
It is ok that you claim you think I have problems as part of the ink cloud behind which you disappear (on this issue). There have been 4 people (all from SG, middle aged, mostly fat, all going nowhere. You are the glowing exception.. which worries me because you might be right!) over the last 8 years that have done the same and I've proved every one of them wrong. The best part is that what's been, is only the beginning - nothing compared to what is to come. It's strange that all the garbage and accusations you post about me is before your time even on the old BMW forums, way before then. It is the same old regurgitated rot from the same old losers who congregate and whisper in the shadows - unable to step out and discuss anything on the straight and level. The same people who claim a certain stock ~2L NA full weight car on street tires can clock 1:52 at PG, but who have never shown up to a transponded event in their life. The same people who would cheat a programmer and my friend, out of 2000 dollars, not because they need it but because they can. The same people who lie about the automotive products they sell. Blurt thoughtless rubbish and then have the cheek to stick to it as truth when asked about it. People just can't deal with hard truth and so have to put it out of the way. Let's put truth and accountability out of the way, then sit around, eat, and be happy in all our confident lies and illogic.
This internet freak thing is a crock too. Making a sustained coherent point in an email or on a forum does not make you internet-only. That's faulty logic. In fact, forums provide the ideal structure for working out ideas or sharing knowledge, with records in chronological order, quotes, etc. If that were the case I wouldn't be where I am now, or going where I'm going - all of which involves dealing with a team of people often under less than ideal conditions, under time constraints, for long hours everyday, for weeks or months straight, with lots of travel. It's quite non-internet based lol
It is all too easy to be a crafty clown, bring up pasts you are supposedly familiar with, list advice that has been offered to you by well meaning people that have been scarred by my vicious attacks in the past blah blah. I could do the same to you right now, but it's useless. You claim X, I claim Y, but all anyone has to go by is what is on this thread, and what is on record on other threads. Cowards consistently choose not to deal with what is present, but only make up colourful stories (told their way too) about what supposedly happened, or what someone supposedly said. Case in point is this thread where you say I am vicious, but you are the one analyzing the entire person, a supposed past, and predicting a doomed future, etc. All I've pointed out is how you can't possibly define The Real World, or Life, and how you conveniently forget your un-thought-through words when it is on record. Your claims cannot be proven. Mine can be proven in concept (it has remain uncontested till now for some reason), and is also on record, unless of course you go back and edit your stuff which will show in timestamp.
Anyway, see you around and I love you too :wavey:
BTW, I cannot fathom how in all your years of life so far, and having learnt the word 'pompous' at the tender age of 5, you have yet to get some simple spelling straight.
Your attempt at disengaging is fake. You understand the meaning of disengaging, but before you do, you have to put your arrogant self first and post your great psycho analysis, and then "leave". This is not disengaging. I, on the other hand, have never claimed a great purpose and then done the opposite when it comes to these OT arguments. It's part of being an honest person SM. I'll go on within the rules as long as you keep putting in your part - whether directly to me, or in third party chatter. Come come.. I'm glad it's the off season now.
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Cays, I'm not telling anyone to fall in line and love a car. The illogical and thoughtless words for the R8 mean little to me relative to what was revealed after the early stages of discussion is more important. I'm telling them to be accountable for their words, and not even think that they can decide what the real world is and who operates inside or outside of it, teach Life lessons because of a simple disagreement. I have explicitly mentioned this in earlier posts on this thread. You, and doc, must have passed over those statements if you really believe I am more concerned with what's been said about an R8, or for that matter... any street car.
Your analysis of me is also off somewhat. I don't depend on anyone I utterly hate. There are always ways to move on, to move beyond, those you utterly hate, to join with those you respect and admire. I don't hold back on anything consequential, not even at work. The politicing thing is for the weak who have no belief in themselves, no standards, no strength of mind, no focus. In general, often people think some of their own situation applies to others, and then too quickly project it onto others with their assumptions. I believe a better way is to deal with what has explicitly been said - the points made. This is something severely lacking in SG culture (Asian thing?) . Seems it is impossible to believe that a person believes exactly what he posts. Also this meandering peeling-of-the-onion rubbish going on to figure out what each person means is a waste of time. If people give any thought to what they say, and really believe it, then follow through and be accountable for it. This isn't kindergarten play hour.
You know how subjective things get when it comes to psycho analysis. Let's not waste time with that...at least not while the straight points haven't been (or cannot be
) addressed.
Anytime a person can sit back and say "ok A is [analysis], B is [analysis], etc." he is immediately taking a lofty position. Anyone can do that. People may think or be quite sure they are the authority, but with millions like you, there is no point even mentioning it or acting like it because to every one of those subjective feelings and expressions, there is another equally subjective one to counter it. I could come back with some analysis of everyone on this thread, but it's only further time wasting beyond the existing trash heap.
It is better to deal with the straight explicit points (of which in plain English there are only so few ways of interpreting them) and go from there, else all leads nowhere. This sit on the fence, everyone is wrong, everyone is right, stuff is useless. Politics best saved for where it matters.
You should be glad the doc has conducted a mini analysis on you earlier on in this thread. Your xmas bell hypersensitivy can be cured with early detection and proper treatment. Me, I'm a goner. With all my ailments I am lost for sure. So treasure what you have, your happy life, your good childhood.. and when my mind has finally left completely, continue to live strong, live proud, live well. Live for me. *weep*
